Originally posted by quanchi112
False. Hybrids are physically superior but tactically **** no. Based on your stance only physicality matters. Clearly Viktor getting the better of a hybrid means he can do so to another./thread
Age plays a huge part in a Vamps power level along with the Vampire being pure blood. You're wrong in this case. Sorry bro.
Originally posted by KuRuPT ThanosiWe see Michael is clearly stronger and your interpretation. Is clearly wrong.
Not how proof works. Feats trump narration or dialogue, and considerably so. We see Viktor send Michael flying 15 feet with one blow.. we see Michael land multiple blows and barely even move Viktor. Feats > your opinion. By Feats Viktor is stronger. We could also look at him overpowering Raz... again another strength feat we dont' see Michael do. Feats trump all. You concede. While we're at it though... Post the dialogue that says Michael is stronger than Viktor since you claim it exists
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=35iZsw4c0OU
At the beginning of the fight when he uses a powerful strike he knocks Viktor far back on the ground. At 49 seconds in we see him catch Viktor's punch. That's superior strength.
Viktor has him completely dazed and at his mercy and uppercuts him. That's why he gets sent back because Viktor was working him due to superior fighting skills.
Context matters, Michael taking swipes doesn't have the same power as an upper on a completely dazed opponent.
Catching his fist matters. Feats trump all. As you said. 😂
Originally posted by quanchi112
Watch the fight. Age in terms of vampires versus vampires but not a hybrid. Watch the clip. The film also makes it clear minus the obvious.
Lol...age still matters. Marcus was a Hybrid and his father was still far more powerful. This was stated on screen. That's why Selena was able to beat Marcus. Remember, she drunk his father blood which gave her some of his power. Enough power to put her above a pure blood hybrid. Age matters, even against a hybrid. You might want to look at the last film. Selena was clearly more powerful than Michael and we know why.
Exactly. Age and lineage matters. Viktor WTF pwns Michael with ease.. Multiple times really. Michael can do nothing with markus... Yet Selene after drinking Alexander's blood can. Clearly showing the importance of age.. lineage is more important than just being a hybrid. It's quan though Carver, you know he's a clownshoes when it comes to logical debating
Originally posted by carver9So why was Michael able to take on Viktor who had over thousand years on him and be quicker and stronger ?
Lol...age still matters. Marcus was a Hybrid and his father was still far more powerful. This was stated on screen. That's why Selena was able to beat Marcus. Remember, she drunk his father blood which gave her some of his power. Enough power to put her above a pure blood hybrid. Age matters, even against a hybrid. You might want to look at the last film. Selena was clearly more powerful than Michael and we know why.
His father was the original immortal and he was not a vampire or a Lycan. So please try to actually make a valid point. Hybrids are greater than lycans or vampires. His father was neither. 😱 😂
Selene was more powerful because the father was the most powerful immortal ever. Quit speaking.
Originally posted by KuRuPT ThanosiNot for hybrids. Watch the movie. You ignored my decimation of your post by the actual link, horsey. I unlike you and carver understand the films.
Exactly. Age and lineage matters. Viktor WTF pwns Michael with ease.. Multiple times really. Michael can do nothing with markus... Yet Selene after drinking Alexander's blood can. Clearly showing the importance of age.. lineage is more important than just being a hybrid. It's quan though Carver, you know he's a clownshoes when it comes to logical debating
He was an immortal and had no weaknesses of the lycans or vampires. Hybrids were greater than them not the original immortal. The fact you rushed to high five ignorant carver shows how truly impotent you are as a debater.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Not for hybrids. Watch the movie. You ignored my decimation of your post by the actual link, horsey. I unlike you and carver understand the films.He was an immortal and had no weaknesses of the lycans or vampires. Hybrids were greater than them not the original immortal. The fact you rushed to high five ignorant carver shows how truly impotent you are as a debater.
Answer this question...Viktor performance against Michael, could Selena have done just as good (before her upgrade)? Or how about any of Viktor other Vamps? Then please tell me why you said what you said?
Originally posted by quanchi112
So why was Michael able to take on Viktor who had over thousand years on him and be quicker and stronger ?His father was the original immortal and he was not a vampire or a Lycan. So please try to actually make a valid point. Hybrids are greater than lycans or vampires. His father was neither. 😱 😂
Selene was more powerful because the father was the most powerful immortal ever. Quit speaking.
Viktor was about to kill Michael. Again I ask, can any random Vampire do what Viktor did against Michael? Let's use Selena as an example.
Originally posted by carver9Selene would have died because vamps against vamps age matters. Age does not matter for hybrids. That's why Michael did as well as he did. Selene became more powerful after she drank the most powerful immortal being out there. He had no weaknesses that vampires or lycans had.
Answer this question...Viktor performance against Michael, could Selena have done just as good (before her upgrade)? Or how about any of Viktor other Vamps? Then please tell me why you said what you said?
Hybrids are superior to vampires physically otherwise if age mattered to the extent and you have over 1,000 years they'd be nothing to you.
You couldn't even respond to my post because you have no idea what you're talking about.
I am the ****ing best debater alive.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Due to being a better and smarter fighter. Viktor one of the oldest vampires ever was physically and quickness wise outclassed.
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So you think Selena could beat Viktor if she was a better fighter than him? Are you serious? So Viktor was the leader of the Vamps because of his fighting skills? What fighting skills did he display?
Originally posted by quanchi112
Selene would have died because vamps against vamps age matters. Age does not matter for hybrids. That's why Michael did as well as he did. Selene became more powerful after she drank the most powerful immortal being out there. He had no weaknesses that vampires or lycans had.Hybrids are superior to vampires physically otherwise if age mattered to the extent and you have over 1,000 years they'd be nothing to you.
You couldn't even respond to my post because you have no idea what you're talking about.
I am the ****ing best debater alive.
You're contradicting yourself.
So Viktor age mattered which was the reason he did so well against Marcus? Answer this question so we can move to my next question please.
Is this a display of skill (lol)?
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=LQGo7Ag_jwY
If not, why didn't the other Vamps do this?
Quan literally has no idea what he's talking about. MarCus THOROUGLY dominated a non new Michael on two occasions. Viktor couldn't do the same. Selene could only beat marKus after drinking the blood of the first immortal. Showing how important lineage and age matters. We see this displayed with Selene.. She's shown running from Werewolves in the first movie... yet after drinking the elders blood she's shown overpowering them physically. Again clearly illustrating how one can increase strength simply by drinking an elders blood. Guess what MarCus older and more powerful than Viktor. That is all that needs to be said. He's more powerful and did better against a similar foe.
Originally posted by carver9No, I said that is why Viktor was about to kill Michael.
😂So you think Selena could beat Viktor if she was a better fighter than him? Are you serious? So Viktor was the leader of the Vamps because of his fighting skills? What fighting skills did he display?
He was the leader due to his shrewdness and brilliance as a commander. Just become someone leads that has nothing to do with fighting ability. Are you a Neanderthal ?
Originally posted by carver9Viktor did not fight Markus. Pull yourself together. Age matters for vampires not hybrids. Read my posts and comprehend them, sport.
You're contradicting yourself.So Viktor age mattered which was the reason he did so well against Marcus? Answer this question so we can move to my next question please.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Selene would have died because vamps against vamps age matters. Age does not matter for hybrids. That's why Michael did as well as he did. Selene became more powerful after she drank the most powerful immortal being out there. He had no weaknesses that vampires or lycans had.Hybrids are superior to vampires physically otherwise if age mattered to the extent and you have over 1,000 years they'd be nothing to you.
You couldn't even respond to my post because you have no idea what you're talking about.
I am the ****ing best debater alive.
Originally posted by quanchi112
No, I said that is why Viktor was about to kill Michael.He was the leader due to his shrewdness and brilliance as a commander. Just become someone leads that has nothing to do with fighting ability. Are you a Neanderthal ?
If Selene was a better fighter than Viktor could she have achieved the same or better results?
Lol...all of the Vamps FEARED Viktor power. It had nothing to do with his brilliance. Did you see the movie? The Lycans feared him as well and it had nothing to do with his mind. WTF man.
Originally posted by KuRuPT ThanosiThe first immortal had no weaknesses the vampires or lycans had. I said age matters with vampires. Viktor is old but the only reason Michael was faster and stronger was due to being a hybrid. He had over a thousand years of him and yet Michael caught his punch being a few days old.
Quan literally has no idea what he's talking about. MarCus THOROUGLY dominated a non new Michael on two occasions. Viktor couldn't do the same. Selene could only beat marKus after drinking the blood of the first immortal. Showing how important lineage and age matters. We see this displayed with Selene.. She's shown running from Werewolves in the first movie... yet after drinking the elders blood she's shown overpowering them physically. Again clearly illustrating how one can increase strength simply by drinking an elders blood. Guess what MarCus older and more powerful than Viktor. That is all that needs to be said. He's more powerful and did better against a similar foe.
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Viktor kills the faster and stronger Markus just like he was about to kill Michael.
Cry more.m I decimated your earlier lies about the fight.
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Originally posted by quanchi112
False. Narration and the fight makes it clear. Your denial of this covering your eyes and ignoring what you saw and the narration.He was not flash like but the advantages were clearly in Michael's favor.
I said Viktor's training was an advantage I said as much. Quit making things up.
Two advantages to one in favor of Michael. Viktor still prevailed.
Facts:
Viktor was a trained warrior. Michael wasn't - Advantage - Viktor
Viktor had his powers which were growing longer than Michael - Advantage-Viktor
Viktor had an army of men at his disposal which he used - Advantage - Viktor
Michael showed himself to be slightly faster than Viktor - Advantage - Michael
Viktor showed himself to be stronger than Micheal - Advantage - Viktor
Michael just inherited his powers which was new to him - Advantage - Viktor
Viktor had his favorite weapon his sword while Micheal was unarmed - Advantage - Viktor
Michael was shot with numerous bullets Viktor wasn't - Advantage - Viktor
Now I can't wait to see you lie and use your fanboyism to try to disprove these statements.