Viktor vs. Marcus

Originally posted by Kotor3
Blah, blah, blah.

Facts:
Viktor was a trained warrior. Michael wasn't - Advantage - Viktor
Viktor had his powers which were growing longer than Michael - Advantage-Viktor
Viktor had an army of men at his disposal which he used - Advantage - Viktor
Michael showed himself to be slightly faster than Viktor - Advantage - Michael
Viktor showed himself to be stronger than Micheal - Advantage - Viktor
Michael just inherited his powers which was new to him - Advantage - Viktor
Viktor had his favorite weapon his sword while Micheal was unarmed - Advantage - Viktor
Michael was shot with numerous bullets Viktor wasn't - Advantage - Viktor

Now I can't wait to see you lie and use your fanboyism to try to disprove these statements.

False. Michael was physically stronger and faster during their fight.

Viktors men were killed by Selene after Viktor uppercuts him to confusion. Selene kills them so it later proves to be two on one. Selene >>>that crew. She killed them all.

Considerably faster.

49 seconds in Michael catches a Viktor punch. That's considerably stronger.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=35iZsw4c0OU

Did Michael defeat Viktor or rely on Selene to kill those who opposed him while she attacked them ?

Watch the clip.

Ps. I'm better than you in every way.

Originally posted by carver9
If Selene was a better fighter than Viktor could she have achieved the same or better results?

Lol...all of the Vamps FEARED Viktor power. It had nothing to do with his brilliance. Did you see the movie? The Lycans feared him as well and it had nothing to do with his mind. WTF man.

Viktor was physically her better due to age because with vampires age matters.

Are you retarded ? Based off your power only why did Markus let Viktor control him since he was older since these other traits don't matter ?

Are you ok ? You seem awfully bad at this.

Originally posted by quanchi112
The first one is correct.

Originally posted by quanchi112
False. Michael was physically stronger and faster during their fight.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Viktors men were killed by Selene after Viktor uppercuts him to confusion. Selene kills them so it later proves to be two on one. Selene >>>that crew. She killed them all.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Considerably faster.

Originally posted by quanchi112
49 seconds in Michael catches a Viktor punch. That's considerably stronger.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=35iZsw4c0OU

Originally posted by quanchi112
Did Michael defeat Viktor or rely on Selene to kill those who opposed him while she attacked them ?

Watch the clip.

Dude you are so in denial.

Originally posted by Kotor3
You agree good.

In what way, and world does your statement prove that Viktor did not have his powers longer and that his powers were not growing? Are you honestly trying to say that Michael had better control of his powers?

And? This is after they shot Michael numerous times and she sneaked attached them. That was not all of Viktor’s men.

Says you. Viktor had no issues with connecting hits on Micheal.

Catching a person’s punch means you’re stronger than them. Wow where did you get that one from? That statement is totally false. Anyway have this one. That is two for Viktor so far.

What the hell are you talking about now? Once again you haven’t proven my previous statements incorrect.

Dude you are so in denial.

Viktor had his powers longer but that had to do with training. We see Michael just get his powers and show that he was faster and stronger. Physically it didn't matter. We see that but tactically he wasn't as good as Viktor.

Viktor uppercuts him. Guys show up. Shoot. Selene kills them. Michael runs first and Viktor intercepts and gets the better of him.

After he missed. Watch the actual fight. Do I need to post the link again and time stamp when he is obviously faster. Considerably so.

Catching a person's fist absolutely means you're stronger. What the hell do you think it means ? Weaker ? Were you born a few days ago ?

False. You are outright lying. You're about as delusional as they come. Before the guys came in and shot him Viktor was winning. Selene killed them and was a far greater ally than those shitty death dealers.

Viktor one on one was beating him despite the speed and strength edge. Viktor is ****in awesome.

I agree that he is awesome but he was never higher than #2 on the vampire food chain. Markus was always supreme. At least up until the time Selene drank the blood of Alexander Corvinus he was.

Off topic slightly, I never understood why Markus didn't drain him dry himself instead of just leaving him there for Selene. He seemed like an intelligent enough vampire to realize that it would've made him even more powerful than he already was if he drank his father's blood. PIS, I guess.

Originally posted by Star428
I agree that he is awesome [b]but he was never higher than #2 on the vampire food chain. Markus was always supreme. At least up until the time Selene drank the blood of Alexander Corvinus he was.

Off topic slightly, I never understood why Markus didn't drain him dry himself instead of just leaving him there for Selene. He seemed like an intelligent enough vampire to realize that it would've made him even more powerful than he already was if he drank his father's blood. PIS, I guess. [/B]

He's rather stupid. Left to his own devices he went down rather quickly despite his murderous rampages.

Originally posted by quanchi112
I never said otherwise.

Viktor had his powers longer but that had to do with training. We see Michael just get his powers and show that he was faster and stronger. Physically it didn't matter. We see that but tactically he wasn't as good as Viktor.

Let me break it down for you, a person can have more talent but without proper training the talent will not be used to it fullest. Thus a person with more experience would have a greater advantage over someone who may be more talented but lacks training.

Translation – Advantage - Viktor

Originally posted by quanchi112
Viktor uppercuts him. Guys show up. Shoot. Selene kills them. Michael runs first and Viktor intercepts and gets the better of him.

Originally posted by quanchi112
After he missed. Watch the actual fight. Do I need to post the link again and time stamp when he is obviously faster. Considerably so.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Catching a person's fist absolutely means you're stronger. What the hell do you think it means ? Weaker ? Were you born a few days ago ?

Originally posted by quanchi112
False. You are outright lying. You're about as delusional as they come. Before the guys came in and shot him Viktor was winning. Selene killed them and was a far greater ally than those shitty death dealers.

Viktor one on one was beating him despite the speed and strength edge. Viktor is ****in awesome.

Viktor men shot Michael and it had an effect on Michael. Viktor was untouched by anyone else accept for Michael until Selene killed him. That is what happen in the movie.

Translation – Advantage – Viktor.

Tell me do like being proven wrong constantly?

Originally posted by quanchi112
Selene would have died because vamps against vamps age matters. Age does not matter for hybrids. That's why Michael did as well as he did. Selene became more powerful after she drank the most powerful immortal being out there. He had no weaknesses that vampires or lycans had.

Hybrids are superior to vampires physically otherwise if age mattered to the extent and you have over 1,000 years they'd be nothing to you.

You couldn't even respond to my post because you have no idea what you're talking about.

I am the ****ing best debater alive.

Don't you get how easy it is to crush you in a debate. It's so easy that I just need to lead you to a place where you think you're winning but you only crush your own argument. It's kinda like walking the dog in poker. Since you agree Hybrids are stronger and faster... Then you are also conceding that MarCus is faster and stronger than Viktor and thus an easy victory. MarCus lineage means he's more powerful than Viktor already... Adding additional powers and a lack of weaknesses you seem to believe make him even more powerful. So good, you agree MarCus stomps even more than previously thought.

Catching a punch doesn't mean you're stronger.. That is typical buffoonery by Quan... Quite like the buffoonery displayed by ViKtor on a regular basis. Catching a punch or blocking a punch doesn't necessarily mean you're stronger... it could.. but that isn't the default meaning of either of those. The reality is.. these things matter more to proving who is stronger

1. Viktor punching Michael further than Michael punched him
2. Viktor owning Raz physically as shows this.. a Raz ALSO bitten by Lucian.

Both those things count exponentially more than catching a punch. Game, set and match... Quan losses

Why does Quan insist on TK taking a long time... We literally see both Dooku and Palps throwing things rather quickly. Mere gestures and objects that weigh more than a few tons are sent flying.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BvnwLLXHabg

Originally posted by Kotor3
Faster and stronger by how much to substantiate how much of advantage this is for Michael? Wait you can’t say. Your statement proves my point. Viktor could be more tactical as you call it because he knew how to use his powers he was trained as you say for having them so long.

Let me break it down for you, a person can have more talent but without proper training the talent will not be used to it fullest. Thus a person with more experience would have a greater advantage over someone who may be more talented but lacks training.

Translation – Advantage - Viktor

Thank you for the recap. Glad you agree that Viktor men did shoot Michael numerous times.
Yes Michael is faster, I gave you this. Yet, Viktor still hits him. Moving on.

Are you purposely being an idiot or is it natural for you? So, if I catch someone’s kick that means I am stronger also? You have no idea what you are saying and probably never had a fight in your life. It is a defensive move that requires strength and technique. It doesn’t mean you are stronger than the person who threw the punch.

What is false, and what am Iying about? Be specific or are you talking to yourself.

Viktor men shot Michael and it had an effect on Michael. Viktor was untouched by anyone else accept for Michael until Selene killed him. That is what happen in the movie.

Translation – Advantage – Viktor.

Tell me do like being proven wrong constantly?

I already said Viktor had the edge in training but he isn't as fast or as strong. Two advantages to one.

I never said they didn't. I for one don't see it significantly harming him considering he sprinted right after.

Not a kick a punch. You already acknowledge he has no training so you can't say he's got excellent technique here. Are you this stupid ? You want to have your cake and eat it too like the hypocrite you are. Michael had no training so him catching an elders punch demonstrated the superiority of the hybrid's physicality.

I also don't think it had an impact on him at all. Prior to the shooting Viktor was beating him anyways. Viktor proved he was superior prior to the men gritting involved.

So Viktor being killed by Selene is an advantage for Viktor ? 😂

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Don't you get how easy it is to crush you in a debate. It's so easy that I just need to lead you to a place where you think you're winning but you only crush your own argument. It's kinda like walking the dog in poker. Since you agree Hybrids are stronger and faster... Then you are also conceding that MarCus is faster and stronger than Viktor and thus an easy victory. MarCus lineage means he's more powerful than Viktor already... Adding additional powers and a lack of weaknesses you seem to believe make him even more powerful. So good, you agree MarCus stomps even more than previously thought.

Viktor kills him.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Catching a punch doesn't mean you're stronger.. That is typical buffoonery by Quan... Quite like the buffoonery displayed by ViKtor on a regular basis. Catching a punch or blocking a punch doesn't necessarily mean you're stronger... it could.. but that isn't the default meaning of either of those. The reality is.. these things matter more to proving who is stronger

1. Viktor punching Michael further than Michael punched him
2. Viktor owning Raz physically as shows this.. a Raz ALSO bitten by Lucian.

Both those things count exponentially more than catching a punch. Game, set and match... Quan losses

1. Due to Viktor dazing and rocking him with an uppercut.
2. Viktor is strong just not as strong as Michael.

Michael caught viktor's punch so it shows directly he is greater than viktor's punching power. Game. Set. Match.

Hey what are you clowns arguing about?

Marcus > Viktor.

Older and a hybrid (further stat boost, regen, and flight).

There it's settled. You're welcome.

Not for Quan it isn't. He'll keep arguing that Viktor's so-called "skill, cunning, and tactics" will overcome Markus' superior power. If you'd bothered to read the entire thread you'd see that many people have basically given the exact same reasons u just did for Markus winning so u haven't really brought anything new to the discussion and so there's really no reason to thank you. 😄

Markus.

Oh and I looked it up. Viktor was older than Marcus but Marcus was a Vampire first (obviously).

D

After this thread, I might need to watch these movies again. Completely forgotten how Marcus is the oldest vampire when he was a hybrid as well.

Originally posted by Placidity
Hey what are you clowns arguing about?

Marcus > Viktor.

Older and a hybrid (further stat boost, regen, and flight).

There it's settled. You're welcome.