Viktor vs. Marcus

Originally posted by Kotor3
I did watch the fight many times. So you agree it wasn’t to the point in which Viktor could not harm him. Good. Another bad example. A ten year old cannot hurt a 20 year old in a straight up face to face or head to head battle on equal terms. The ten year would have to sneak attack the 20 year old.

Viktor confronted and face Michael head on, face to face. Your nitpicking for Viktor is most disturbing.

Yes Viktor took the tactic of having his men shoot Michael so as to weaken him. Let us not forget it was Viktor who just knock Michael a couple of feet away. Are you sure you saw the movie?

As for your emotional comment, LOL. If you would stick to the facts then the discussion would have been over a long time ago.

Viktor wanted him put down at all costs. The bullets failed to significantly injure him. You can pretend they did.

I am sticking to the facts and you want to ignore them because you claim they are stupid hence being biased. I don't try to hide from the evidence whereas you do.

Evidence is the most important thing. We see Michael faster than viktor and easily so. Then after being shot, he's suddenly not using his speed anymore. Odd and likely not a coincidence. The bullets likely slowed him down. Evidence > your opinion

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Evidence is the most important thing. We see Michael faster than viktor and easily so. Then after being shot, he's suddenly not using his speed anymore. Odd and likely not a coincidence. The bullets likely slowed him down. Evidence > your opinion

Prove it. 🙂

Originally posted by quanchi112
I never said it was to that point. I did not say beat in a fight I said hurt. Pay attention to what I say. You're all over the place. I always said two big advantages for Michael were strength and speed.

Viktor wanted him put down at all costs. The bullets failed to significantly injure him. You can pretend they did.

I am sticking to the facts and you want to ignore them because you claim they are stupid hence being biased. I don't try to hide from the evidence whereas you do.

So now bullets don't affect him... yet another dumb think you said in a long line of dumb things. Clearly they would negatively affect him and likely did. It's that simple. You have NO proof Michael is stronger... now what so ever. In fact, if he go by feats up to that point.. Viktor is stronger. As stated... Viktor sent Michael flying like 15 feet.. Michael (landing numerous blows) was barely able to move him. Evidence > your opinion

Originally posted by quanchi112
So you believe the bullets hurt him that badly they negated his speed.

Prove it. 🙂

I never said negated is speed slow smush face... I said slowed him down. It has already been proven.. we no longer see Michael using his speed. There is a reason for this and it's likely the bullets or taking damage in general. Evidence > your opinion. Now prove the bullets had no affect on him

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
So now bullets don't affect him... yet another dumb think you said in a long line of dumb things. Clearly they would negatively affect him and likely did. It's that simple. You have NO proof Michael is stronger... now what so ever. In fact, if he go by feats up to that point.. Viktor is stronger. As stated... Viktor sent Michael flying like 15 feet.. Michael (landing numerous blows) was barely able to move him. Evidence > your opinion

Watch the movie. The movie makes it clear hybrids are the real deal. Your interpration isn't proof. When a character is critically injured we see lumbering movements or a clear presentation of an injured opponent. That was not the case regardless of how desperate you've become.

if Michael is stronger... Why was he barely able to move Viktor yet viktor sent him flying like 15 feet with one blow? Evidence > your opinion

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
if Michael is stronger... Why was he barely able to move Viktor yet viktor sent him flying like 15 feet with one blow? Evidence > your opinion

You didn't answer the question... you say Michael is stronger and have NOTHING to base that on. We literally see Viktor send Michael flying like 15 feet from one punch. We see Michael land numerous shots on Viktor and barely even move him. Now, prove Michael is stronger

I'm losing track of what you two are arguing about at this point.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
You didn't answer the question... you say Michael is stronger and have NOTHING to base that on. We literally see Viktor send Michael flying like 15 feet from one punch. We see Michael land numerous shots on Viktor and barely even move him. Now, prove Michael is stronger

Originally posted by quanchi112
I never said it was to that point. I did not say beat in a fight I said hurt. Pay attention to what I say. You're all over the place. I always said two big advantages for Michael were strength and speed.

Viktor wanted him put down at all costs. The bullets failed to significantly injure him. You can pretend they did.

I am sticking to the facts and you want to ignore them because you claim they are stupid hence being biased. I don't try to hide from the evidence whereas you do.

We already established that you cannot prove how much of a difference if any in terms of speed or strength that there was between Michael and Viktor making your statements of advantage for Michael moot. Is that clear enough for you?

Since you cannot prove the difference between strength and speed your example for a ten year old and 20 year old is non-applicable.

Now you are resorting to whining about untrue statements of me being biased and ignoring facts, your concession is gladly accepted.

Viktor had the advantage, years of using and growing his powers, training as a warrior and a army of soldiers at his command.

Until you can prove (which I know you can't) that Michael had an greater advantage, I will gladly accept your concession and leave you to your whining.

Originally posted by Kotor3
Translation, you have no answer. Repeating yourself doesn't make your statements true or correct.

We already established that you cannot prove how much of a difference if any in terms of speed or strength that there was between Michael and Viktor making your statements of advantage for Michael moot. Is that clear enough for you?

Since you cannot prove the difference between strength and speed your example for a ten year old and 20 year old is non-applicable.

Now you are resorting to whining about untrue statements of me being biased and ignoring facts, your concession is gladly accepted.

Viktor had the advantage, years of using and growing his powers, training as a warrior and a army of soldiers at his command.

Until you can prove (which I know you can't) that Michael had an greater advantage, I will gladly accept your concession and leave you to your whining.

It's already been proven via the film. Your denial of it only further shows me the lengths you'll go to make up for your lack of debating skill.

It is applicable. You can ignore it like a child.

Viktor had one advantage whereas Michael had two. Hybrids were obviously greater than both species. This was made quite clear in the film. His soldiers weren't up to Selena's skill level so Michael had another advantage.

Selene >>>those soldiers.

You denying reality is your own burden not mine. Victory tastes sweet, loser.

Originally posted by quanchi112
False. We know based off dialogue and their fight the hybrid is stronger and faster.

It's already been proven via the film. Your denial of it only further shows me the lengths you'll go to make up for your lack of debating skill.

It is applicable. You can ignore it like a child.

Viktor had one advantage whereas Michael had two. Hybrids were obviously greater than both species. This was made quite clear in the film. His soldiers weren't up to Selena's skill level so Michael had another advantage.

Selene >>>those soldiers.

You denying reality is your own burden not mine. Victory tastes sweet, loser.

You just slit your own throat with this post. You're right. Hybrids>both species. Guess what, dummy? Markus was a hybrid too. So you basically just admitted Markus>Viktor. 🙂

Markus easy, he's the one that turned viktor, he's the original vampire and he's a hybrid on top of all that, the only reason in story that mercies didn't kill viktor is because he had his brother william held hostage in that cave

Originally posted by quanchi112
False. We know based off dialogue and their fight the hybrid is stronger and faster.

It's already been proven via the film. Your denial of it only further shows me the lengths you'll go to make up for your lack of debating skill.

It is applicable. You can ignore it like a child.

Viktor had one advantage whereas Michael had two. Hybrids were obviously greater than both species. This was made quite clear in the film. His soldiers weren't up to Selena's skill level so Michael had another advantage.

Selene >>>those soldiers.

You denying reality is your own burden not mine. Victory tastes sweet, loser.

Looking at the film is up to interpretation. If you want look at film Michael seem faster but Viktor seemed stronger, so you failed on all aspects.

I have already said multiple times that Michael’s speed and strength was not significant enough of an advantage that Viktor could not hit and harm Michael which you agreed.

Your denial and refusal to acknowledge Viktor’s advantages and inability to bring up a counter to my statements makes your whining all the more comical.
Concession accepted again.

micheal takes this. he was inexperienced with his powers when he came toe to toe with the old grey Bast*rd. yes he attuned his powers enough to take on lower vampires (swear to god inverse ninja law). if he was taking viktor from his markus fight then he would win. Markus is the true king of the vampires and viktor was visually terrified of him. viktor didn't even have a form to refer to

Originally posted by quanchi112
Dialgoue in the film and his clear portrayal. Watch the film again. I can't be expected to force you to grasp the film.

Not how proof works. Feats trump narration or dialogue, and considerably so. We see Viktor send Michael flying 15 feet with one blow.. we see Michael land multiple blows and barely even move Viktor. Feats > your opinion. By Feats Viktor is stronger. We could also look at him overpowering Raz... again another strength feat we dont' see Michael do. Feats trump all. You concede. While we're at it though... Post the dialogue that says Michael is stronger than Viktor since you claim it exists

Originally posted by Star428
You just slit your own throat with this post. You're right. Hybrids>both species. Guess what, dummy? Markus was a hybrid too. So you basically just admitted Markus>Viktor. 🙂

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Originally posted by Kotor3
I see the issue it is your reading comprehension. You have repeated yourself so many times you forget what was said.

Looking at the film is up to interpretation. If you want look at film Michael seem faster but Viktor seemed stronger, so you failed on all aspects.

I have already said multiple times that Michael’s speed and strength was not significant enough of an advantage that Viktor could not hit and harm Michael which you agreed.

Your denial and refusal to acknowledge Viktor’s advantages and inability to bring up a counter to my statements makes your whining all the more comical.
Concession accepted again.

He was not flash like but the advantages were clearly in Michael's favor.

I said Viktor's training was an advantage I said as much. Quit making things up.

Two advantages to one in favor of Michael. Viktor still prevailed.