Viktor vs. Marcus

Originally posted by quanchi112
We see him in action. It was definitely proven unless you close your eyes and don't watch the fight.

False. Victor tactically made up for the loss of speed and power.

They got the hang of their powers and were trained warriors. Zoe wasn't just learning his powers when superman killed him. It was bad movie but it's about clear example that undermines your logic.

So, it is false that Viktor was a trained warrior who had his powers much longer than Michael and knew how to use them?

Yes, they were learning their powers just like Superman was. As I already stated that is what made the movie so bad they really didn’t give him the advantage that Reeve’s superman had. That is why your logic fails because Man of Steel made no sense whereas Reeve’s victory did. As I stated before funny that you would use the bad movie instead of the good one to get your point across.

Originally posted by quanchi112
False. He won. Pitiful debating on your end, Abe.

False. Victor was gone and Markus died how many days into his reign ? Victor can't maintain the coven while he's dead and without him it went up very quickly. Over 1,000 years under his watch. How many days did Markus take to **** it up ?

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You've been utterly crushed in this debate. Just like you were in the original debate. Nothing to brag about on my part though, you lose almost every debate you're in. You're sentence structure is atrocious and your logic is the worst kind. Don't you get people make fun of you, not because you're an awesome debater, instead it's because you're awful at it. It's okay shorty, you'll beat me one of these days.

Wrong again, she even says "I don't want to defeat you" clearly indicating she's holding back. Guess what, even a holding back Sonja was able to treat her father like a feeb. It's even worse than I originally thought, I know she would be holding back (being her father, but I didnt' know it would be outright confirmed) Point is, he was feeb'd by a holding back Sonja

Wrong again, the reason the coven was destroyed was because of Viktor. You say if Viktor was alive then this wouldn't have happened. Well, that is still his fault. If him dying made things even worse, well maybe he shouldn't have died then dummy? Guess what he did, and left all his lies and deceit to be exposed. The whole downfall of the Coven was directly caused my Viktor and his actions. He was a piss poor leader and a even worse fighter

Originally posted by Kotor3
It is bad because Superman did nothing throughout the movie to trained those powers. He didn't even learn how to fly until he face them.

Just like in the Reeve's version they were fully grown so they develop their powers quickly to a point in which they were able to match Superman in strength and speed. Not like Superman who as he grew to adult hood his powers grew also.

Reeve was superior due to the fact that he had training and was a pro at using his powers. Still he had to use his wit to defeat them.

So, no Man of Steel did not really close any gap since they caught with him quite quickly and it became a street fight which ended with a farm boy breaking a soldier's neck.

He'd still been using the powers for a lot longer. His powers were at stronger levels then most of the other Kryptonians he fought. So it still makes sense that bridges the gap. To say they "caught up with him quickly" is a lie. The only person who ever caught up with him power wise was Zod, who at the end gained his full powerset. NONE of the other Kryptonians gained their full powers, they had some power plus training, which is what allowed them to fight against a guy with more power, but less training.

Originally posted by Kotor3
As I already stated, Michael’s speed and strength was not significant enough that Viktor was not able to hit and cause him damage.

So, it is false that Viktor was a trained warrior who had his powers much longer than Michael and knew how to use them?

Yes, they were learning their powers just like Superman was. As I already stated that is what made the movie so bad they really didn’t give him the advantage that Reeve’s superman had. That is why your logic fails because Man of Steel made no sense whereas Reeve’s victory did. As I stated before funny that you would use the bad movie instead of the good one to get your point across.

That is one advantage Viktor had but Michael was still faster and stronger. He was a lot faster too based on their portrayals.

It's still a movie and fiction doesn't need to make sense, nerd. I cited an example that proves you wrong. I'm ****ing amazing.

Originally posted by quanchi112
It was a huge advantage but viktor was strong enough to hurt and kill him. Guys that are physically weaker win fights all the time.

That is one advantage Viktor had but Michael was still faster and stronger. He was a lot faster too based on their portrayals.

It's still a movie and fiction doesn't need to make sense, nerd. I cited an example that proves you wrong. I'm ****ing amazing.

Moron, post the clip where Viktor kills Michael as you just stated

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Moron, post the clip where Viktor kills Michael as you just stated

Your gf must like really dumb guys.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
You've been utterly crushed in this debate. Just like you were in the original debate. Nothing to brag about on my part though, you lose almost every debate you're in. You're sentence structure is atrocious and your logic is the worst kind. Don't you get people make fun of you, not because you're an awesome debater, instead it's because you're awful at it. It's okay shorty, you'll beat me one of these days.

Wrong again, she even says "I don't want to defeat you" clearly indicating she's holding back. Guess what, even a holding back Sonja was able to treat her father like a feeb. It's even worse than I originally thought, I know she would be holding back (being her father, but I didnt' know it would be outright confirmed) Point is, he was feeb'd by a holding back Sonja

Wrong again, the reason the coven was destroyed was because of Viktor. You say if Viktor was alive then this wouldn't have happened. Well, that is still his fault. If him dying made things even worse, well maybe he shouldn't have died then dummy? Guess what he did, and left all his lies and deceit to be exposed. The whole downfall of the Coven was directly caused my Viktor and his actions. He was a piss poor leader and a even worse fighter

Viktor held back as well. So not just look at her dialogue only and ignore viktor's. Viktor ended the confrontation as soon as he found out she was a whore.

Viktor was dead. Markus died how many days outside of viktor's rule ? The coven prospered under viktor's leadership. After he died it went to shit. Undeniable.

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Originally posted by quanchi112
I said he was fast enough to hurt and kill him. I never said he killed him, clod. Understand the meaning of words.

Your gf must like really dumb guys.

is English your first language? I'm serious here. I know logic is something that alludes you, but I'm concerned you can't understand the words you use and what they mean. You said he was strong enough to kill him... Which begs the question... How do you know he's strong enough to kill him when he wasn't able to kill him? He had opportunity to do so and couldn't.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
is English your first language? I'm serious here. I know logic is something that alludes you, but I'm concerned you can't understand the words you use and what they mean. You said he was strong enough to kill him... Which begs the question... How do you know he's strong enough to kill him when he wasn't able to kill him? He had opportunity to do so and couldn't.

Why would Selene intervene if Viktor can't kill him ? You're dumb.

Originally posted by quanchi112
"Don't you get people make fun of you." That's your sentence structure on display. I get a little flak because I'm exceptional at getting under people's skin, horse head.

Viktor held back as well. So not just look at her dialogue only and ignore viktor's. Viktor ended the confrontation as soon as he found out she was a whore.

Viktor was dead. Markus died how many days outside of viktor's rule ? The coven prospered under viktor's leadership. After he died it went to shit. Undeniable.

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Nope, in direct combat viktor was treated like a feeb by his daughter. A daughter who was holding back disarmed and had him at her mercy. At no time was he able to defeat her in direct combat. He only gained the advantage once her attention was away from him and on Lucian. Piss poor display of skills by him

It doesn't matter if he was dead. Him dying only made matters worse. You claim it wouldn't have went downhill if he didn't die... well then maybe he shouldn't have got treated like a feeb and died right? The reality is, Viktor decision and judgment lead to the coven being destroyed. It was literally all his doing. I went step by step listing the poor decision and what it lead to. It all lead back to Viktor. He's a buffoon and a poor swordsman

Originally posted by quanchi112
Selene intervened. So you actually believe if Michael stood there Viktor can't kill him physically ? Forget the feats and the lycan overpowering watch the fight, moron.

Why would Selene intervene if Viktor can't kill him ? You're dumb.

Never said he could or couldn't. He might have been able to kill him, but Michael could've easily turned the tide and countered. We see it all the time in combat sports. Somebody looks doomed and they turn it around. You see, being a good at debating means you remain objective and don't take absolute stances more than needed. You took the stance that he was strong enough to kill him, when that isn't a fact. It's possible but not a fact in evidence. Pity I need to help you out each and every time we debate. You're bad at this.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Nope, in direct combat viktor was treated like a feeb by his daughter. A daughter who was holding back disarmed and had him at her mercy. At no time was he able to defeat her in direct combat. He only gained the advantage once her attention was away from him and on Lucian. Piss poor display of skills by him

It doesn't matter if he was dead. Him dying only made matters worse. You claim it wouldn't have went downhill if he didn't die... well then maybe he shouldn't have got treated like a feeb and died right? The reality is, Viktor decision and judgment lead to the coven being destroyed. It was literally all his doing. I went step by step listing the poor decision and what it lead to. It all lead back to Viktor. He's a buffoon and a poor swordsman

You agree him dying made matters worse. Concession accepted. Being killed by taking on a hybrid and Selene attacking in the meantime is not anything other than a cheapshot.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Never said he could or couldn't. He might have been able to kill him, but Michael could've easily turned the tide and countered. We see it all the time in combat sports. Somebody looks doomed and they turn it around. You see, being a good at debating means you remain objective and don't take absolute stances more than needed. You took the stance that he was strong enough to kill him, when that isn't a fact. It's possible but not a fact in evidence. Pity I need to help you out each and every time we debate. You're bad at this.

We see him hurt him. We know he can kill him just because he didn't doesn't mean he can't. Are you retarded ?

Originally posted by quanchi112
It was a huge advantage but viktor was strong enough to hurt and kill him. Guys that are physically weaker win fights all the time.

That is one advantage Viktor had but Michael was still faster and stronger. He was a lot faster too based on their portrayals.

It's still a movie and fiction doesn't need to make sense, nerd. I cited an example that proves you wrong. I'm ****ing amazing.

Viktor is the one who had the huge advantage, he was a trained warrior who had his powers longer, and his main weapon of choice his sword.

Who said fiction movies do not have to make sense? That is why you have bad stories and good ones. You gave a crappy example based upon a movie in which you agreed was bad and I counter within another example which clearly proves my case.

Your example doesn’t even fit your case since it is Viktor who has the advantages not Michael.

Originally posted by Kotor3
To say huge advantage would mean that you could prove or substantiate how much faster and stronger Michael was at this point than Viktor, which you cannot. Thus we go back to my original point that it wasn’t significant enough that Viktor could not harm Michael.

Viktor is the one who had the huge advantage, he was a trained warrior who had his powers longer, and his main weapon of choice his sword.

Who said fiction movies do not have to make sense? That is why you have bad stories and good ones. You gave a crappy example based upon a movie in which you agreed was bad and I counter within another example which clearly proves my case.

Your example doesn’t even fit your case since it is Viktor who has the advantages not Michael.

False. We see Michael's speed and strength in play but Viktor tactically took damage to gain leverage to break his neck. My opinion of the movie is subjective but the facts are indisputable. You're too emotional and try to pick and choose what counts and what doesn't.

All facts count regardless of your opinion of them. Think.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Michael didn't turn the tide. Selene had to intervene. Viktor repel eased him due to her actions. So quit speculating. Glad to see you conceded he is strong enough to kill him.

We see him hurt him. We know he can kill him just because he didn't doesn't mean he can't. Are you retarded ?

The thing is, we could also say that Michael getting hit with all those bullets negatively effected him and why Viktor was able to gain the advantage and why Michael appeared to slow down.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Watch the fight and the speed in which Michael shows himself to be faster in combat. We see it one on one. I never said it was to the point he cannot harm him. A ten year old still has the strength to hurt a 20 year old despite a huge speed and strength edge.

False. We see Michael's speed and strength in play but Viktor tactically took damage to gain leverage to break his neck. My opinion of the movie is subjective but the facts are indisputable. You're too emotional and try to pick and choose what counts and what doesn't.

All facts count regardless of your opinion of them. Think.

Viktor confronted and face Michael head on, face to face. Your nitpicking for Viktor is most disturbing.

Yes Viktor took the tactic of having his men shoot Michael so as to weaken him. Let us not forget it was Viktor who just knock Michael a couple of feet away. Are you sure you saw the movie?

As for your emotional comment, LOL. If you would stick to the facts then the discussion would have been over a long time ago.

The reality is.. viktor hit Michael further than Michael ever hit Viktor after multiple blows. By feats, we could say viktor was stronger Obviously not faster though. The reality is, Viktor's men likely damaged Michael and slowed him down some.

Didn't Michael not drink blood until the second movie?

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
he wasn't able to though.. he had opportunities to do so and wasn't able to capitalize on it. So no one knows for sure. He likely could if give the right situation and circumstances. Obviously if Michael isn't fighting back or KO'd he could finish him. Difference is, that isn't reality and Michael will be fighting back. When he does so, it's no sure thing Viktor could kill him, and we've seen him fail to do so.

The thing is, we could also say that Michael getting hit with all those bullets negatively effected him and why Viktor was able to gain the advantage and why Michael appeared to slow down.

I do not think for a second that slowed him. You are free to disagree like the fool you are. You already conceded to me though.