Originally posted by Mindset
Even if that's true, it's irrelevant.Marcus would still be the oldest vampire since he is the original vampire.
Oh yeah he's the oldest Vampire and apparently the strongest. But Viktor became the most influential because most of the Coven were soldiers made by him and loyal to him not Marcus.
And after hybrid treatment there really isn't a question about who is stronger.
Originally posted by Dramatic GeckoMarkus is stronger but Viktor is clearly more cunning.
Oh yeah he's the oldest Vampire and apparently the strongest. But Viktor became the most influential because most of the Coven were soldiers made by him and loyal to him not Marcus.And after hybrid treatment there really isn't a question about who is stronger.
Well Marcus was letting Viktor boss him around. It's hard to say just how much stronger then Viktor normal vampire Marcus was.
This is why parts of the movies never made any sense. Marcus turned Viktor so he could use his army in order to go fight off William and his hordes of wolves. Why? Why not kill Viktor and just take over his army? If you promise these people immortality they probably wouldn't of cared that you killed their king.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Markus is stronger but Viktor is clearly more cunning.
I think he was more cunning because he had to be. He seemed to care a lot about vampire politics and all that. Marcus just had an eternal hard on for his bro. Speaking of that, WHY didn't Marcus attempt to bite William?
Originally posted by SurturI don't think the other death dealers and Viktor's army would have cooperated or at least Markus didn't believe so. I also don't believe Markus could kill Viktor in fair combat.m
Well Marcus was letting Viktor boss him around. It's hard to say just how much stronger then Viktor normal vampire Marcus was.This is why parts of the movies never made any sense. Marcus turned Viktor so he could use his army in order to go fight off William and his hordes of wolves. Why? Why not kill Viktor and just take over his army? If you promise these people immortality they probably wouldn't of cared that you killed their king.
I think he was more cunning because he had to be. He seemed to care a lot about vampire politics and all that. Marcus just had an eternal hard on for his bro. Speaking of that, WHY didn't Marcus attempt to bite William?
At what point in time do you mean by biting his brother ?
Originally posted by SurturYou just admitted that Zod caught up with him. The one whose neck he Superman broke. The general. Superman did nothing to harness or train his powers. To even remotely compare the way Superman was trained in the Reeve's movies to Man of Steel is comical.
He'd still been using the powers for a lot longer. His powers were at stronger levels then most of the other Kryptonians he fought. So it still makes sense that bridges the gap. To say they "caught up with him quickly" is a lie. The only person who ever caught up with him power wise was Zod, who at the end gained his full powerset. NONE of the other Kryptonians gained their full powers, they had some power plus training, which is what allowed them to fight against a guy with more power, but less training.
Superman's advantage in Man of Steel was not nearly good enough for him to get a win. He had no training in his powers up to that point.
Originally posted by quanchi112I never made the claim so why would I have to substantiate anything in regards to his tactical movements? You’re hilarious! Try again.
The same way you can't substatiate how much more tactical he is based off his movements. Your double standards are nauseating.
Originally posted by quanchi112You continue to ignore the other advantages I brought up for Viktor. You failed, try again.
I already said Viktor had the edge in training but he isn't as fast or as strong. Two advantages to one.
Originally posted by quanchi112To say it didn’t significantly affect him when he wasn’t able to move until the shooting stop is ridiculous. Still an advantage for Viktor nonetheless.
I never said they didn't. I for one don't see it significantly harming him considering he sprinted right after.
Originally posted by quanchi112You are truly and idiot. What training is needed to catch a punch, since you mentioned it? What excellent technique? All I said is strength and technique is needed. Never said excellent technique or training. You are the hypocrite here and an idiot who keeps mixing words to try to make your point standout.
Not a kick a punch. You already acknowledge he has no training so you can't say he's got excellent technique here. Are you this stupid ? You want to have your cake and eat it too like the hypocrite you are. Michael had no training so him catching an elders punch demonstrated the superiority of the hybrid's physicality.
Originally posted by quanchi112More repeating of yourself. Anyway Marcus beat a more experience Michael, and would rape Viktor. Live with it.
I also don't think it had an impact on him at all. Prior to the shooting Viktor was beating him anyways. Viktor proved he was superior prior to the men gritting involved.So Viktor being killed by Selene is an advantage for Viktor ? 😂
Originally posted by quanchi112
I agree Markus is faster and stronger just like Michael. I've always agree with that. You're an idiot and obviously don't pay attention to what I say. That's why Viktor wins because he's a better combatant and can beat a stronger and faster opponent.Viktor kills him.
Nope, If viktor had a great track record you might be right, instead his track record is piss poor. Thus, MarCus being more powerful, faster, stronger, older will make this an easy win. How you can call somebody an expert combatant when they've been
1. Beaten by his daughter who was holding back and yet she still disarmed him like a feeb
2. Out maneuvered and out fought by Lucian
3. Need help from his men and a weapon to fight Michael and still couldn't get the job done, nor mind his surrounding and he was owned.
Pretty much every fight he's had he's been owned. Thanks to your arguing VikTor actually losses worse now
Originally posted by quanchi112
Markus is stronger but Viktor is clearly more cunning.
Why do you keep posting that viktor's cunning will get him the victory when he's lost most fight he's ever engaged in? It's actually his lack of cunning and decision making ability that makes this fight a stomp. Let's look at all his major fights and how they turned out.
1. Viktor fights his daughter (holding back) - he tried to subdue her and she promptly disarmed him like a feeb. He had a sword to his throat. The only reason she gained the advantage was because she looked away to check on Lucian
2. Viktor fights Lucian - Viktor doesn't believe he can take Lucian head on... He flees when he sees Lucian come at him. Then tries to cheapshot him from the side instead of directly facing him head up. This fails and his sword strikes parried... even though they were cheap strikes. Lucian then maneuvers Viktor to a place where he's boxed in and promptly shoves a sword down his throat
3. His fight with raz... This is the only fight viktor actually comes out on top. Good win for him
4. Viktor fights Michael - Michael was a newb hybrid and was taking it to Viktor. He had no skill.. no training.. inexperienced with his powers and he was still getting the better of Viktor. A Viktor who again needed to use a weapon to try and beat Michael while he was unarmed. He also used his man to shoot Michael and slow him down even further. In the end his poor tactics of not minding Selene cost him his life and he defeated nobody.
All in all that is a pretty poor track record. Piss poor really. marCus stomps
Originally posted by quanchi112
At what point in time do you mean by biting his brother ?
The moment he freed him why not bite him so he becomes a hybrid? There could of been a chance he wouldn't be 99% mindless.
He knew he became a hybrid due to drinking lycan blood. He would of known how Michael became a hybrid due to drinking Selene's blood. Since Marcus was a hybrid it might not of worked, but I thought it weird he didn't even try.
Originally posted by KuRuPT ThanosiYour interpretation is flawed and biased. Viktor remained in power.
Nope, If viktor had a great track record you might be right, instead his track record is piss poor. Thus, MarCus being more powerful, faster, stronger, older will make this an easy win. How you can call somebody an expert combatant when they've been1. Beaten by his daughter who was holding back and yet she still disarmed him like a feeb
2. Out maneuvered and out fought by Lucian
3. Need help from his men and a weapon to fight Michael and still couldn't get the job done, nor mind his surrounding and he was owned.
Pretty much every fight he's had he's been owned. Thanks to your arguing VikTor actually losses worse now
1. Lie. He defeated his daughter after he held back.
2. Sunlight restricted his movement. He survived.
3. False. He beat him up and left him dazed. His men then got involved to which Selene intervenes.
Lies.
Originally posted by KuRuPT ThanosiI already responded to your same post a moment ago. You ramble on with the same lies. I already destroyed these laughable lies a moment ago.
Why do you keep posting that viktor's cunning will get him the victory when he's lost most fight he's ever engaged in? It's actually his lack of cunning and decision making ability that makes this fight a stomp. Let's look at all his major fights and how they turned out.1. Viktor fights his daughter (holding back) - he tried to subdue her and she promptly disarmed him like a feeb. He had a sword to his throat. The only reason she gained the advantage was because she looked away to check on Lucian
2. Viktor fights Lucian - Viktor doesn't believe he can take Lucian head on... He flees when he sees Lucian come at him. Then tries to cheapshot him from the side instead of directly facing him head up. This fails and his sword strikes parried... even though they were cheap strikes. Lucian then maneuvers Viktor to a place where he's boxed in and promptly shoves a sword down his throat
3. His fight with raz... This is the only fight viktor actually comes out on top. Good win for him
4. Viktor fights Michael - Michael was a newb hybrid and was taking it to Viktor. He had no skill.. no training.. inexperienced with his powers and he was still getting the better of Viktor. A Viktor who again needed to use a weapon to try and beat Michael while he was unarmed. He also used his man to shoot Michael and slow him down even further. In the end his poor tactics of not minding Selene cost him his life and he defeated nobody.
All in all that is a pretty poor track record. Piss poor really. marCus stomps
Quit trolling, lying and repeating yourself.
Originally posted by SurturI personally don't see it overcoming the mindlessness of his Lycan strain.
The moment he freed him why not bite him so he becomes a hybrid? There could of been a chance he wouldn't be 99% mindless.He knew he became a hybrid due to drinking lycan blood. He would of known how Michael became a hybrid due to drinking Selene's blood. Since Marcus was a hybrid it might not of worked, but I thought it weird he didn't even try.
Originally posted by Kotor3You admit you use double standards. Perfect.
I never made the claim so why would I have to substantiate anything in regards to his tactical movements? You’re hilarious! Try again.You continue to ignore the other advantages I brought up for Viktor. You failed, try again.
To say it didn’t significantly affect him when he wasn’t able to move until the shooting stop is ridiculous. Still an advantage for Viktor nonetheless.
You are truly and idiot. What training is needed to catch a punch, since you mentioned it? What excellent technique? All I said is strength and technique is needed. Never said excellent technique or training. You are the hypocrite here and an idiot who keeps mixing words to try to make your point standout.
More repeating of yourself. Anyway Marcus beat a more experience Michael, and would rape Viktor. Live with it.
No, I did not. You are delusional.
He ran right after. These guys have accelerated healing. We see prior to Viktor was beating him anyway. 😂
It shows how impressive his physicality is to catch an elders punch. All those years on him and to catch the punch proves a physical superiority due to the age advantage from Viktor. He was just turned into a hybrid, delusional boy.
I do not agree. Viktor is more cunning than either. Viktor prevails. Markus is his ***** once again. He's used to it by now.
😂
Originally posted by quanchi112Do you read English or are you a pathological liar?
You admit you use double standards. Perfect.
Originally posted by quanchi112Yes you did and have throughout this whole discussion.
No, I did not. You are delusional.
Originally posted by quanchi112As usual you ignore the previous statement that I said. I said he could not move until they stop shooting him. I said nothing about him moving once they stop. Can you say reading comprehension?
He ran right after. These guys have accelerated healing. We see prior to Viktor was beating him anyway. 😂
Originally posted by quanchi112Yes it shows he has super speed, strength, senses and abilities which we already knew. Thanks for changing your previous statement that it proves Michael was stronger. Concession accepted!
It shows how impressive his physicality is to catch an elders punch. All those years on him and to catch the punch proves a physical superiority due to the age advantage from Viktor. He was just turned into a hybrid, delusional boy.
Originally posted by quanchi112Actually you do. Your inability to counter any statement made by me as well as your constant repeating of statements, and change of statements in favor or my arguments, all prove that you do agree. It seems that it you who is delusional.
I do not agree. Viktor is more cunning than either. Viktor prevails. Markus is his ***** once again. He's used to it by now.😂
Concession accepted!
Originally posted by Kotor3Irony.
Do you read English or are you a pathological liar?Yes you did and have throughout this whole discussion.
As usual you ignore the previous statement that I said. I said he could not move until they stop shooting him. I said nothing about him moving once they stop. Can you say reading comprehension?
Yes it shows he has super speed, strength, senses and abilities which we already knew. Thanks for changing your previous statement that it proves Michael was stronger. Concession accepted!
Actually you do. Your inability to counter any statement made by me as well as your constant repeating of statements, and change of statements in favor or my arguments, all prove that you do agree. It seems that it you who is delusional.
Concession accepted!
Delusions.
And Viktor also was momentarily stayed due to having to punch Selene since she slaughters them. Why go on irrelevant tangents ?
Catching a punch does prove he's stronger. It's a superior strength showing. That's the point, dummy.
Your inability to comprehend or make relevant points has been a problem of yours I suspect for a lifetime. Viktor wins.
You're as delusional as ever.
Originally posted by quanchi112Translation, you conceded.
Irony.Delusions.
And Viktor also was momentarily stayed due to having to punch Selene since she slaughters them. Why go on irrelevant tangents ?
Catching a punch does prove he's stronger. It's a superior strength showing. That's the point, dummy.
Your inability to comprehend or make relevant points has been a problem of yours I suspect for a lifetime. Viktor wins.
You're as delusional as ever.
Concession accepted! You make this too easy, whiner.