Originally posted by Khazra RebornLiar. He was the one who commanded William be brought under control. He also got the better of Michael. He also captured Lucian when he set out to. Quit lying.
Markus kills him. Not even close.And lol @ Viktor's "strategies". Every onscreen battle under his command was an unmitigated failure.
Originally posted by KuRuPT ThanosiYou denying the words isn't proof and is only your opinion.
Concession accepted on this point. He was shown striking at her in an attempt to kill her or maim her. He failed. Even if we take your theory at face value (most don't) He was still trying to subdue her and capture her... guess what.. he failed and was disarmed EASILY for his troubles. No matter how you look at it he was treated like a feeb by his own daughterDoesn't matter if it never came out while he was alive. It was piss poor judgment to even keep him alive. Par for he course for this buffoon.
You're right, the more powerful MarCus had to do something that Viktor himself couldn't do. He had to clean up the mess of the buffoon Viktor caused by putting Kraven in charge. Do you know how crappy it looks for somebody not be able to figure out for HUNDREDS AND HUDTREDS of years that someone they put in control is actually a moron? It's just another example of Viktor's piss poor judgment that we see time and time again.
It wasn't a cheapshot at all. Viktor had already smacked Selene around. He already witness Selene killing death dealers to protect Michael. Another cheap tactic. In any event, he by that point Selene was no longer on his side and chose Michael Yet, like the moron he is, he foolishly didn't account for her properly and easily killed.
Again, Viktor with a sword can't even kill Michael who was unarmed. Pitiful
The reality is, somebody you call cunning, is one of the biggest buffoons in the series
It didn't affect him. Your speculation and opinion isn't proof.
Markus ran wild because Viktor was dead. No one else was instrumental as the leader and the entire vampire coven was at stake due to Viktor's death.
Striking while you have a stronger and faster hybrid in a headlock is a cheapshot. Quit denying the obvious.
Michael is faster and stronger. Viktor still prevailed. Amazing.
The guy who lead the coven through multiple centuries and kept the vampires fate a secret was the greatest leader. After he died their secrecy was gone. He was the greatest leader of the series.
Originally posted by Kotor3To despite Markus winning he was unabled to kill her. Thanks for admitting this.
Once again your interpretation with no proof. Selene lost to Marcus twice before winning. You are right he used his senses to react but not in enough time since he had to divert all of his strength and concentration to the choke hold.Please tell me how Viktor was going to kill Micheal. He didn't have his sword and as we have already seen in Michael's battle with Marcus a blow to his heart will not kill him.
Break his neck.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Liar. He was the one who commanded William be brought under control. He also got the better of Michael. He also captured Lucian when he set out to. Quit lying.
Please. Lucian was born into slavery, Viktor didn't capture shit. How is saying that William needed to be contained any kind of brilliant move? He was an insane monster turning everyone in sight into insane monsters.
He got his skull cut in half by Selene while he was fighting new born Michael... Great feat bro.
Originally posted by quanchi112It clear that you saw a different movie. Marcus had no desire to kill her. He only wanted information. Unable to and deciding not to is different. Hope you can understand that concept.
To despite Markus winning he was unabled to kill her. Thanks for admitting this.Break his neck.
So he was going to break Michael's neck. Sure took him along time to make the decision to do so. Lets say Viktor broke Michael's neck, you are saying that Michael would have died when he survived a direct blow to his heart?
Viktor had no chance. He needed help from his men and had his sword against an unarmed new to his powers Michael. Marcus rapes Viktor.
Idk if it was mentioned already, but Markus turned Victor so he could use Victor's army to get William under control. Victor wasn't more powerful than Markus in terms of physical abilities, but Victor had a kingdom behind him that Markus needed, so he was somewhat under Victor's command.
As for 1v1 fight, I'd give it to Markus more times than not.
Originally posted by Khazra RebornLucian also had access to many shortening lycans. Victor did capture Lucian after he escaped. Lucian let out that bellow cry after he was about to be killed and hillbilly lycans came from the forest.
Please. Lucian was born into slavery, Viktor didn't capture shit. How is saying that William needed to be contained any kind of brilliant move? He was an insane monster turning everyone in sight into insane monsters.He got his skull cut in half by Selene while he was fighting new born Michael... Great feat bro.
Due to his focus being elsewhere. Context, bro.
Originally posted by Kotor3Well, it kind of cost him. He killed others he got information from.
It clear that you saw a different movie. Marcus had no desire to kill her. He only wanted information. Unable to and deciding not to is different. Hope you can understand that concept.So he was going to break Michael's neck. Sure took him along time to make the decision to do so. Lets say Viktor broke Michael's neck, you are saying that Michael would have died when he survived a direct blow to his heart?
Viktor had no chance. He needed help from his men and had his sword against an unarmed new to his powers Michael. Marcus rapes Viktor.
Michael didn't die so of course he was not going to do it quickly. Yes, he'd die just like the lycan died when he snapped his neck.
False. Viktor came out on top despite the physical advantages Michael held. Viktor kills him.
Originally posted by quanchi112Marcus could see that the others were corrupt and could not be trusted whereas Selene was not corrupt and killed Viktor whom Marcus hated. That is why he did not kill her.
Well, it kind of cost him. He killed others he got information from.Michael didn't die so of course he was not going to do it quickly. Yes, he'd die just like the lycan died when he snapped his neck.
False. Viktor came out on top despite the physical advantages Michael held. Viktor kills him.
Michael is a hybrid whose abilities are unknown and can be unlimited as stated in the movie. So you think someone who survived a direct blow to his heart is going to die from a broken neck? People in real life have survived broken necks not direct blows to the heart.
Viktor came out in top, meaning he had Michael in a choke hold. If that is what you view as on top then I can't help you there.
Viktor loses. Marcus has superior strength, speed, and hand to hand combat skill.
If Viktor had snapped Michael's neck (which I'm pretty sure would've happened if not for Selene's sneak attack) then it would've at least put him down temporarily even if it had not permanently killed him which still would've been counted as a win for Viktor according to forum rules.
Markus still wins this fight though even without his hybrid upgrade.
Originally posted by Kotor3So despite her trying to kill him he just said ok. Give me a break.
Marcus could see that the others were corrupt and could not be trusted whereas Selene was not corrupt and killed Viktor whom Marcus hated. That is why he did not kill her.Michael is a hybrid whose abilities are unknown and can be unlimited as stated in the movie. So you think someone who survived a direct blow to his heart is going to die from a broken neck? People in real life have survived broken necks not direct blows to the heart.
Viktor came out in top, meaning he had Michael in a choke hold. If that is what you view as on top then I can't help you there.
Viktor loses. Marcus has superior strength, speed, and hand to hand combat skill.
He was stated as being stronger and faster. Yes, due to the super strength Viktor is going to break that neck with.
The scene was clear he was going to die. Viktor even said so.
Viktor is more cunning and uses that to win against a physically superior opponent like Michael.
Originally posted by quanchi112You ignore a lot context and parts of the movie to try to make your statements correct. Selene ran from Marcus the first two times. She had not idea why he was chasing. She thought it was because see kill Viktor. She only went to kill him once she was given the power to do so.
So despite her trying to kill him he just said ok. Give me a break.He was stated as being stronger and faster. Yes, due to the super strength Viktor is going to break that neck with.
The scene was clear he was going to die. Viktor even said so.
Viktor is more cunning and uses that to win against a physically superior opponent like Michael.
So what if he breaks his neck. The question is how does that prove Michael would have died? He did not die after being tab directly through the heart.
Yes the scene was clear Viktor felt he was going to win because he had no idea as to what he was going against. The scene only showed what Viktor felt not what was going to happen.