Viktor vs. Marcus

Originally posted by quanchi112
You denying the words isn't proof and is only your opinion.

It didn't affect him. Your speculation and opinion isn't proof.

Markus ran wild because Viktor was dead. No one else was instrumental as the leader and the entire vampire coven was at stake due to Viktor's death.

Striking while you have a stronger and faster hybrid in a headlock is a cheapshot. Quit denying the obvious.

Michael is faster and stronger. Viktor still prevailed. Amazing.

The guy who lead the coven through multiple centuries and kept the vampires fate a secret was the greatest leader. After he died their secrecy was gone. He was the greatest leader of the series.

So you concede he was treated like a feeb by his daughter then? Even if accept he wasn't trying to kill or hurt her (we don't) he was still trying to subdue her. Guess what? He got disarmed like the buffoon he is.

Poor choice by him in a long ling of poor choice from a tactically moronic guy

No MarCus had to clean up the mess that Viktor incompetence caused. He left Tanan alive... he put Kraven in charge.. he protected Selene.. keep her alive (even though she had valuable information and a grudge against Viktor if the truth came out.. which is did). Yes, he had to deal with all the buffoonery Viktor left

Wrong again, he should've been prepared for what Selene would do She was already showing a pattern of protecting Michael. Even Kraven could deduce she was falling for him. Then once the truth came out... she further clarified her position by killing the death dealers for Michael. She even engaged Viktor trying to protect Michael. Viktor should've been well aware she was no longer on his side and minded his surroundings. Guess what? Like the incompetent buffoon he is, he didn't

No Viktor couldn't even beat Michael with help and a weapon. Pitiful display

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
So you concede he was treated like a feeb by his daughter then? Even if accept he wasn't trying to kill or hurt her (we don't) he was still trying to subdue her. Guess what? He got disarmed like the buffoon he is.

Poor choice by him in a long ling of poor choice from a tactically moronic guy

No MarCus had to clean up the mess that Viktor incompetence caused. He left Tanan alive... he put Kraven in charge.. he protected Selene.. keep her alive (even though she had valuable information and a grudge against Viktor if the truth came out.. which is did). Yes, he had to deal with all the buffoonery Viktor left

Wrong again, he should've been prepared for what Selene would do She was already showing a pattern of protecting Michael. Even Kraven could deduce she was falling for him. Then once the truth came out... she further clarified her position by killing the death dealers for Michael. She even engaged Viktor trying to protect Michael. Viktor should've been well aware she was no longer on his side and minded his surroundings. Guess what? Like the incompetent buffoon he is, he didn't

No Viktor couldn't even beat Michael with help and a weapon. Pitiful display

He led the vampires as a dominant coven for over a thousand years. Great leader, Abe.

Kraven was already known by Viktor to be a traitor. Kraven was no real threat. Markus killed him. Who cares.

He had to kill Michael first, dummy. Watch the scene.

Viktor was about to kill him despite an edge in speed and strength.

Incorrect, in direct sword combat when he tried to subdue her.. she beat him and easily. As easily as a feeb might get beaten. The only way he was able to subdue her was when her attention was on Lucian being captured. Prior to that, she had a sword at his throat and disarmed him. Pitiful display by him

Doesn't matter, poor planning on his point. Just a long line of poor planning on his part.

he didnt' figure out he was a traitor. Selene did. He was totally unaware that eh was there sleeping while Kraven was hatching a plan to easily kill him. He's a buffoon and didn't even realize he placed a moron in charge who was going to kill him

Viktor couldn't even beat Michael with help and a weapon. nothing exciting about that. Then, he further looks like a buffoon AGAIN not recognizing that Selene is no longer on his side and acting accordingly

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Incorrect, in direct sword combat when he tried to subdue her.. she beat him and easily. As easily as a feeb might get beaten. The only way he was able to subdue her was when her attention was on Lucian being captured. Prior to that, she had a sword at his throat and disarmed him. Pitiful display by him

Doesn't matter, poor planning on his point. Just a long line of poor planning on his part.

he didnt' figure out he was a traitor. Selene did. He was totally unaware that eh was there sleeping while Kraven was hatching a plan to easily kill him. He's a buffoon and didn't even realize he placed a moron in charge who was going to kill him

Viktor couldn't even beat Michael with help and a weapon. nothing exciting about that. Then, he further looks like a buffoon AGAIN not recognizing that Selene is no longer on his side and acting accordingly

You saying facts don't matter is proof you're a man child. You live in your own world where bears aren't mainly and long faces aren't routinely mocked.

He was asleep so he determined it after the evidence was presented. He did figure out what she brought to his attention.

He had him beat without a weapon so who cares. Michael is faster and stronger. To beat someone like that is an amazing tactical display in combat.

Originally posted by quanchi112
She did not beat him. He ended the fight. That's winning. No one had to help him. Once he found out the truth it was game over.

You saying facts don't matter is proof you're a man child. You live in your own world where bears aren't mainly and long faces aren't routinely mocked.

He was asleep so he determined it after the evidence was presented. He did figure out what she brought to his attention.

He had him beat without a weapon so who cares. Michael is faster and stronger. To beat someone like that is an amazing tactical display in combat.

Wrong again and this shows your hypocrisy like usual. IF she didn't defeat him... than he never beat Michael. Michael is alive and just fine after their fight. So even though Viktor was in an advantageous position.. doesn't mean he won. If you say Viktor did win that fight.. then he also lost to his daughter. She was in an advantageous position by disarming her father and holding a sword to him. The ONLY reason he was able to escape said position was because she became distracted with Lucian being captured

No he's a buffoon.. He put somebody in charge that was a total moron and came up with a plan to kill Viktor like a feeb. That is how unprepared Viktor was and how idiotic he was to not even have the slightest clue Kraven was a liar.

he didn't beat him... according to your logic the only person defeated in that scene was Viktor with his head sliced in two. Point is, even with help and a weapon against an unarmed noob hybrid he still couldn't defeat Michael. Sad

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Wrong again and this shows your hypocrisy like usual. IF she didn't defeat him... than he never beat Michael. Michael is alive and just fine after their fight. So even though Viktor was in an advantageous position.. doesn't mean he won. If you say Viktor did win that fight.. then he also lost to his daughter. She was in an advantageous position by disarming her father and holding a sword to him. The ONLY reason he was able to escape said position was because she became distracted with Lucian being captured

No he's a buffoon.. He put somebody in charge that was a total moron and came up with a plan to kill Viktor like a feeb. That is how unprepared Viktor was and how idiotic he was to not even have the slightest clue Kraven was a liar.

he didn't beat him... according to your logic the only person defeated in that scene was Viktor with his head sliced in two. Point is, even with help and a weapon against an unarmed noob hybrid he still couldn't defeat Michael. Sad

The guy who lived for over a thousand years in power was not an idiot. He undermined Markus because he was the most cunning of the vampires and the brains behind it all.

Viktor had Michael dead to rights before another charwcter needed to intervene to save him.

Facts.

No he didn't defeat her on his own. She was concerned for her lover and father of her child being captured and looked away from Viktor to see what was going on. Only then was he able to gain the advantage. Before that in the direct one v one fight he was disarmed like a feeb.

Good, glad you admit his daughter also had an advantageous position like Viktor had with Michael

No he wasn't, he was the reason behind the covenant failing. he allowed Tanan to live which then exposed his lies and deceit... where William was... it led Selene to Alexander... Which then led Selene to drink his blood and end up killing the only elder left. Which further weakened the coven... exposed them to humans who then went on to exterminate many of them. All of this because of Viktor piss poor decision making and perception. He ultimately led the coven to its demise, so he's not a good planner and tactician at all.

I just watch the scene again between Viktor and Michael. Michael had no former training in any type of art of fighting whereas Viktor was a warrior. Yet Michael who just inherited his new powers disarmed Viktor twice.

I believe the Michael that fought Marcus would rape Viktor and Marcus handle Michael quite handily.

With Marcus hand to hand skills Viktor would get handled quite easily.

Originally posted by Kotor3
I just watch the scene again between Viktor and Michael. Michael had no former training in any type of art of fighting whereas Viktor was a warrior. Yet Michael who just inherited his new powers disarmed Viktor twice.

I believe the Michael that fought Marcus would rape Viktor and Marcus handle Michael quite handily.

With Marcus hand to hand skills Viktor would get handled quite easily.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
No he didn't defeat her on his own. She was concerned for her lover and father of her child being captured and looked away from Viktor to see what was going on. Only then was he able to gain the advantage. Before that in the direct one v one fight he was disarmed like a feeb.

Good, glad you admit his daughter also had an advantageous position like Viktor had with Michael

No he wasn't, he was the reason behind the covenant failing. he allowed Tanan to live which then exposed his lies and deceit... where William was... it led Selene to Alexander... Which then led Selene to drink his blood and end up killing the only elder left. Which further weakened the coven... exposed them to humans who then went on to exterminate many of them. All of this because of Viktor piss poor decision making and perception. He ultimately led the coven to its demise, so he's not a good planner and tactician at all.

Viktor got himself out of it after he held back. He quit holding back and ended the conflict. Undeniable. Listen to the dialogue, dummy.

Without Viktor the coven was beaten and vampires were discovered. Markus was sloppy and ended up dying very quickly. Despite being the father of the species he was viktor's *****.

Shame.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Viktot needed no one else's help and she had him dead to rights. He ended it. Who cares if he was disarmed ? He came out on top in both situations.

Viktor got himself out of it after he held back. He quit holding back and ended the conflict. Undeniable. Listen to the dialogue, dummy.

Without Viktor the coven was beaten and vampires were discovered. Markus was sloppy and ended up dying very quickly. Despite being the father of the species he was viktor's *****.

Shame.

Nope, did you even watch the movie? He only gained the advantage when she turned her attention away from him. When they were both in direct combat and him trying to subdue her.. he got disarmed and easily beaten like a feeb. By his own daughter no less. Pitiful display of skills

Nope, Viktor piss poor decision LEAD to the Coven being destroyed. He first made the piss poor decision to try and control Lucian, this lead to a heat battle that lasted centuries and cost many vampires their lives. He further continues his buffoonery by putting Kraven in charge who further proceeds to destroy to Coven. Viktor didn't even realize this for hundreds and hundreds of years. Viktor let Tanan alive (big mistake) which further exposed his lies and deceit. He then lead them to William and where Alexander was. This eventually lead to the last elder being killed. This lead to humans finding out about them and killing them off. All because Viktor left Tanan alive which was piss poor judgment on his part. Viktor is the utmost responsible for destroying the Coven. Pitiful

marCus stomps him with relative ease

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Nope, did you even watch the movie? He only gained the advantage when she turned her attention away from him. When they were both in direct combat and him trying to subdue her.. he got disarmed and easily beaten like a feeb. By his own daughter no less. Pitiful display of skills

Nope, Viktor piss poor decision LEAD to the Coven being destroyed. He first made the piss poor decision to try and control Lucian, this lead to a heat battle that lasted centuries and cost many vampires their lives. He further continues his buffoonery by putting Kraven in charge who further proceeds to destroy to Coven. Viktor didn't even realize this for hundreds and hundreds of years. Viktor let Tanan alive (big mistake) which further exposed his lies and deceit. He then lead them to William and where Alexander was. This eventually lead to the last elder being killed. This lead to humans finding out about them and killing them off. All because Viktor left Tanan alive which was piss poor judgment on his part. Viktor is the utmost responsible for destroying the Coven. Pitiful

marCus stomps him with relative ease

False. With Viktor alive and in charge it flourished. Shortly after Viktor died and Markus was free to his own machinations he died. The coven was also discovered. Can't argue with facts, Abe.

false, by your own admission he tried to subdue her.. guess what... he was disarmed in direct combat and beaten EASILY. Pitiful display of skills on his part. What a feeb

Wrong again, Viktor's decisions lead to the coven being destroyed. It was his planning or lack there of that lead to all of it. If his lies weren't exposed (thanks to him keeping Tanan alive) than the humans would've never found out about them. Alexander would've never been found. Shoot, he kept Selene who eventually killed him and the last elder once she was amped. Again, all thanks to Viktor. What a buffoon. MarCus easily wins,.

Originally posted by quanchi112
He was faster and stronger. Superman didn't have any formal training in man of steel and easily broke Zod's neck who was trained all his life. Superman was not stronger or faster and they even had the same abilities. Your logic failed. Viktor still bested him despite the physical advantages.

So Viktor still had the advantage, he was a trained warrior and had his powers much longer than Michael and new how to use them.

Now going to the bad example of Man of Steel, (funny how you chose this instead of the Reeve’s version). Superman had his powers much longer than the others which is the only advantage he had. How he was able to beat them without any type of training is one of the reasons why Man of Steel is a bad movie.

In Reeve’s version he was a trained Superman who was a pro at using his powers.

Originally posted by Kotor3
[BNow going to the bad example of Man of Steel, (funny how you chose this instead of the Reeve’s version). Superman had his powers much longer than the others which is the only advantage he had. How he was able to beat them without any type of training is one of the reasons why Man of Steel is a bad movie. [/B]

It's no mystery. You just answered your own question: he was able to beat them because he'd had his powers much longer. They had the superior training, he bridged that gap by having all of his powers and having had them for a lot longer. Why is that bad? It makes sense why that might allow someone with no formal training to even the odds.

Originally posted by Surtur
It's no mystery. You just answered your own question: he was able to beat them because he'd had his powers much longer. They had the superior training, he bridged that gap by having all of his powers and having had them for a lot longer. Why is that bad? It makes sense why that might allow someone with no formal training to even the odds.

Just like in the Reeve's version they were fully grown so they develop their powers quickly to a point in which they were able to match Superman in strength and speed. Not like Superman who as he grew to adult hood his powers grew also.

Reeve was superior due to the fact that he had training and was a pro at using his powers. Still he had to use his wit to defeat them.

So, no Man of Steel did not really close any gap since they caught with him quite quickly and it became a street fight which ended with a farm boy breaking a soldier's neck.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
false, by your own admission he tried to subdue her.. guess what... he was disarmed in direct combat and beaten EASILY. Pitiful display of skills on his part. What a feeb

Wrong again, Viktor's decisions lead to the coven being destroyed. It was his planning or lack there of that lead to all of it. If his lies weren't exposed (thanks to him keeping Tanan alive) than the humans would've never found out about them. Alexander would've never been found. Shoot, he kept Selene who eventually killed him and the last elder once she was amped. Again, all thanks to Viktor. What a buffoon. MarCus easily wins,.

False. Victor was gone and Markus died how many days into his reign ? Victor can't maintain the coven while he's dead and without him it went up very quickly. Over 1,000 years under his watch. How many days did Markus take to **** it up ?

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Originally posted by Kotor3
Michael was just turned. As to whether he was faster or stronger is to be proven. His powers mostly were still settling in. But lets say he was for their fight, is wasn’t a significant amount of speed or strength that Viktor was not able to match and cause physical harm to Michael which he did.

So Viktor still had the advantage, he was a trained warrior and had his powers much longer than Michael and new how to use them.

Now going to the bad example of Man of Steel, (funny how you chose this instead of the Reeve’s version). Superman had his powers much longer than the others which is the only advantage he had. How he was able to beat them without any type of training is one of the reasons why Man of Steel is a bad movie.

In Reeve’s version he was a trained Superman who was a pro at using his powers.

False. Victor tactically made up for the loss of speed and power.

They got the hang of their powers and were trained warriors. Zoe wasn't just learning his powers when superman killed him. It was bad movie but it's about clear example that undermines your logic.

LOL@"Zod wasn't just learning his powers". Did you somehow not notice how he wasn't flying till near the end of the movie? How about when he used his heat vision for the first time? He clearly wasn't in complete control of it.

I just watched Evolution the other day, and Alexander had a conversation with one of the humans in his employ, and they said to him "He's destroying his own coven." To which Alexander says, "It was never his coven." So with that line of thinking, it didn't fall because Marcus was in charge. It fell because he personally destroyed it. His goal was to make a new race of hybrids, and wanted William by his side.