Originally posted by Beniboybling
Key word: out of balance. The dark side being stronger than the light side represents imbalance, its unnatural. The dark and light are naturally equal.And yes I believe you are misinterpreting. More effective in battle? Perhaps. But not more powerful. And even in battle, the destructive power of the dark will always meet its match with the defensive and cleansing powers of the light.
Even the most powerful dark side ability in mythos: the Force storm, was thwarted by a light side power, a Wall of Light.
Your also incorrect it assuming is sheer power that causes a Sith's body to decay, its not, its the corruptive aspect of the dark side. Ying and yang, the dark side is corruption and death the light side is the opposite, purity and life - and indeed where the dark side corrupts a Sith, powerful Jedi are often blessed with youth and longevity.
And I have plans to watch that video, but I expect I'll disagree. Not really. Lets look at what is actually said:
Luke: Is the dark side stronger?
Yoda: No, no, no. Quicker, easier, more seductive.
All Yoda says is the dark side is not stronger, he never says it is weaker. And he is correct, it is the quicker path to power, but that doesn't make it weaker, just easier to aquire. That said the Jedi are not the authority on the subject, they may believe that light side is stronger and there is a suggestion that they do. But that interpretation would be wrong, and Lucas has himself implied that the Jedi interpretation of the Force is incorrect.
I know I said it's the power of the dark side that corrupts and disfigured you i said the sheer power of the dark side is what gives it its destructive potential.
To be fair the force storm itself wasn't disrupted by a wall of light, palaptines concentration was, and he lost control of the force storm. Also the dark side has more powerful abilities but I do agree they are and are supposed to be balanced.
Originally posted by Beniboybling
My point is they won't be beaten by them, they'll overcome them and win, is that so hard to understand?
Revan had defenses just like Yoda and Vitiate's powers wrecked him. Worse would have happened if T3-M4 had not interfered.
Force Drain powers, in particular, are a game-changer in most conflicts.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
I disagree! They aren't unstoppable.
Neither is the Sith Emperor. A concept you just cannot accept.
Revan had defenses just like Yoda and Vitiate's powers wrecked him. Worse would have happened if T3-M4 had not interfered.Force Drain powers, in particular, are a game-changer in most conflicts.
Revan is not as powerful as Yoda as per canon. Vitiate has never displayed Drain mid-combat, and even if he did Yoda was Jedi Grand Master for hundreds of years, and likely studied Qel-Droma's holocron.
Originally posted by Lord Stark
Neither is the Sith Emperor. A concept you just cannot accept.
Originally posted by Lord Stark
Revan is not as powerful as Yoda as per canon.
Originally posted by Lord Stark
Vitiate has never displayed Drain mid-combat,
Originally posted by Lord Stark
and even if he did Yoda was Jedi Grand Master for hundreds of years, and likely studied Qel-Droma's holocron.
Originally posted by Beniboybling
Essentially this.
Originally posted by Beniboybling
Which you've failed to prove.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Your assumptions are based on revelations in sources that are outdated in coverage of material and predate introduction of Vitiate to the mythos. These revelations are likely to be scrutinized in the light of latest developments. As I pointed out to you, Vitiate have superior showings then all other participants in this hypothetical contest. His showings have to be taken into consideration.It makes no sense to use revelations of outdated sources to dictate rankings. If Vitiate had been shown to be inferior to the other participants, then your position would have weightage and we won't be having this argument.
Vitiate can devastate entire worlds and atomize living beings. Other participants do not match these showings with exception of Palpatine (DE). Though Vitiate fights differently then Palpatine. Luke Skywalker might be able to take on Palpatine in a duel [1 on 1] but Vitiate can use his powers to disorient both Jedi and also drain them. Due to such pressures, the Jedi are unlikely to function in effective manner and are likely to perish. Nothing in my assertion is far-fetched and impossible to believe.
Genius, Force Drain works on everybody. It worked on even Abeloth. You have memory problems or you don't bother reading materials?
In addition, it is stated that Vitiate's telepathic powers can influence even the strongest of the Jedi. Is this too difficult for you to comprehend?
No, Vitiate doesn't needs rituals to perform his actions. He performed rituals to increase his understanding of the Dark Side, nothing else. Once he mastered a technique, their was no need for a ritual to perform it.
Revan was able to snap out of Vitiate's control due to actions of the Jedi High Council of his era. They erased his mind and this broke Vitiate's hold over Revan for good. Revan did try to suppress Vitiate's hold over him on his own but he was only able to lessen the influence and not break it fully, and this development took some time. So its not like that Luke Skywalker and Yoda can just shrug off Vitiate's telepathic powers. Even Lord Nyax was able to dominate Luke with his telepathic powers.
That is an assumption. Vitiate can do anything in his corporeal form.
Excuse me! Most of his feats are in the cut-scenes and also documented.
Check this blog: http://www.comicvine.com/profile/s_w_legend/blog/emperor-vitiate-respect-thread/97466/
Addressed above.
Vitiate is likely the strongest Force-user in this contest in fairness. Yoda is the weakest link in this contest.
Vitiate have superior showings then Palpatine. The latter only competes with command of the Force Storms (DE incarnation being considered).
We the see the best of Yoda in the PT era. His physical prime may make some difference but it won't be enormous.
1. I'm going to let you know something. Lucas always stays no matter what. Disney isn't changing anything like that, like who is the most powerful or someone's lightsaber color, they really could care less. Really vitiate is someone they pulled out of their a**. Vitiate may be powerful but he isn't Luke or Sidious level powerful. I still stand by that he is the weakest of the four as prime yoda can do a lot of things. For instance imagine everything he did in the clone wars movies and animated shows and the cannon movies and it's way more powerful. Vitiates lightning wouldn't help him agaisn't yoda at least it would overpower him. Also get it out of your mind that vitiate is the most powerful of all Star Wars or even these four. The ones beat his butt into the ground and then Sidious Luke Caedus, yoda, all people who fans would believe would beat vitiate.
2. All information counts especially if it's cannon. Cannon beat legends everytime. So outdated or not vitiate is legends while Sidious Luke and yoda are cannon, and Sidious is kmown as the most powerful SITH lord of all time by ROTS and the. Add legends the other are superior to vitiate.
3. So two can palaptine but yet he was beaten by Luke Skywalker. Dude I want the SITH to win two but they have the weak link as yoda can effectively match anything vitiate can throw or Luke can and definitely defeat depending on how the battles go. If it goes Luke vs Sidiosu and Yoda vs Vititae, Luke will help yoda once he defeats palaptine, but if it's the other way around where yoda fights Sidious it wil be a good fight but Sidious would come out the victor while Luke has thoroughly taken care of vitiate. And then Luke would defeat Sidious. So either way the Jedi win as they have the most powerful force weilders of all time.
Feats matter yes, but there have been beings who can unleash devastating power on different levels and they can still match and defeat them.
4. Didn't he need an entire 8000 SITH and weeks of preparation to drain a planet. If he could use it on anyone why didn't he use it on the hero of tython? He had plenty of time unless drain takes time in which vitiate does need. Also I find it hard to believe that force drain is unblockable, especially by people of Luke and Yodas level.
5. I'm going to let you know something. 1) Who is this statement said by? Is it someone form TOR era. If it is they didn't take into consideration any future SITH. Again didn't Revan get out of Vitiates control? Also if someone strong willed enough or incredibly powerful in mind barriers (Yoda and Luke and Sidious). Yoda out of his prime was able to withstand a SITH ritual form Sidious and Dooku, tow of the most powerful force weilders of all time. With Sidiosu being superior to vitiate. So with that vitiates power won't work on yoda, and Luke is more powerful than both Sidious and yoda and dooku so he can definitely defy vitiate.
6. Interesting. Yoda or like is no doubt more powerful than all of those council members combined or at least most and they also have their own power in the force so I don't see vitiate doing anything to them in terms of telepathy.
8. He can't do force storm.
9. Key word some. I didn't say all I said some. Learn to read.
10. No. He is not the strongest force weilders of the three. You are a fanboy who try's to put him onto power of everyone. Luke is stated by George Lucas and Disney has not made any announcement of that being changed or anything. Luke is the most powerful force weilder that there has or ever will be, that includes vitiate. Sidious is the most powerful SITH ever. No contradiction anywhere. Yoda is second to Luke and most likely not extremely far behind but not really that close either. So vitiate is definitely the weakes one here.
11. And the fact that he's stated as the most powerful SITH of all time by Lucas as of ROTS. He also has better lighting no doubt, and better TK. He also has a knowledge of all known SITH abilities as of ROTS. That knowledge only furthered when he killed off most of the Jedi and then took their holocrons or found other SITH teachings .
12. I refer you to the above statements. Yoda as of ROTS is capable of great feats. Again vitiates lightning won't get passed Yodas tutaminis, as he was able to hold ROTS Sidious back and redirect it, so,vitiates, and yoda being a little stronger in the force sense this is his prime, can defiantly hold vitiates and possibly push it back to where it fries vitiate or distracts him to where yoda could push him and collapse rocks on top of him.
Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
1. I'm going to let you know something. Lucas always stays no matter what. Disney isn't changing anything like that, like who is the most powerful or someone's lightsaber color, they really could care less.
As an example, Disney revised the hype of the potential of Anakin Skywalker:
Discovered as a slave on Tatooine by Qui-Gon Jinn and Obi-Wan Kenobi, Anakin Skywalker had the potential to become one of the most powerful Jedi ever, and was believed by some to be the prophesied Chosen One who would bring balance to the Force.
Disney have redefined the Canon policy and declared lot of content as Legends. Disney have also stopped production of The Clone Wars animated series. You need to pay attention to the latest developments because you seem to be ignorant of decisions made by Disney.
Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
Really vitiate is someone they pulled out of their a**.
Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
Vitiate may be powerful but he isn't Luke or Sidious level powerful. I still stand by that he is the weakest of the four as prime yoda can do a lot of things. For instance imagine everything he did in the clone wars movies and animated shows and the cannon movies and it's way more powerful. Vitiates lightning wouldn't help him agaisn't yoda at least it would overpower him. Also get it out of your mind that vitiate is the most powerful of all Star Wars or even these four. The ones beat his butt into the ground and then Sidious Luke Caedus, yoda, all people who fans would believe would beat vitiate.
I have not read so much nonsense in a while.
Some feats of Vitiate:-
1. Easily defeated a Sith Lord at the age of 10:
Lord Dramath intended to judge the child’s power to determine if he was worthy of serving the Sith Lord, or if he should simply be executed. But Tenebrae had no intention of serving—or of dying. When they met face-to-face, Tenebrae proved the stronger. Only ten years old, he stripped his father of his power and his mind. (Darth Nyriss)
2. Conquered planet Medriaas at the age of 13:
The child who will come to be known as the Sith Emperor is born. Black-eyed, heartless, and supremely strong in the dark side of the Force, the boy seizes control of his homeworld by the age of 13 and earns the title Lord Vitiate.
Taken from (Star Wars: The Old Republic: Encyclopedia)
3. Successfully completed a ritual which killed 8000 other Sith Lord participants:
Eight thousand Sith Lords gathered on Medriaas and agreed to partake in a ritual that would bind the Sith together as an ultimate dark side weapon.
The ritual lasted ten days. Lord Vitiate orchestrated the sorcery and the planet Mediraas was consumed by the largest dark side nexus the galaxy would ever see. When the ritual ended, Lord Vitiate emerged as the only survivor. The pain, energy, and suffering of every living entity on the planet fueled his power and would prolong his life for centuries. The lifeless planet of Mediraas became a void in the Force and was erased from history. From that moment forward, the world would forever be known as Nathema, birthplace of the one and only Sith Emperor.
From (Star Wars: The Old Republic: Encyclopedia)
4. Corrupted the environment of planet Dromund Kaas:
Power hungry, the Emperor spent great energy discovering and perfecting esoteric rites of darkness – rituals that wrecked the atmosphere of Dromund Kaas, transforming the ionosphere into a swirling electric storm.
From (Star Wars: The Old Republic: Holonet)
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Storms were common here on Dromund Kaas; dark clouds perpetually blocked out the sun, rendering terms like day and night meaningless.
From (Star Wars: The Old Republic: Revan)
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MEETRA FOUGHT TO KEEP the Ebon Hawk steady on its descent through the fierce storms raging in the skies above Kaas City spaceport. She knew the storm-ravaged world had to be the world Canderous had spoken of; the one Revan had seen in his dreams. The dark side was powerful here.
From (Star Wars: The Old Republic: Revan)
5. Created a powerful nexus of dark side energy in a region of planet Dromund Kaas:
Burial place, prison, and reliquary, the Dark Temple was built on the orders of the Emperor to seal away powerful artifacts and the Emperor's enemies, both alive and dead. The temple became a nexus of dark side energy as the Emperor performed rituals within, drawing strength and knowledge from his captives.
From (Star Wars: The Old Republic: Encyclopedia)
6. Defeated a Dark Council:
It remains a mystery how the Emperor learned of his council's treachery. He allowed their plan to play out, but when they gathered to confront the Emperor, his punishment was swift and devastating. Eleven members of the Dark Council died in a sudden flash on the steps of the Citadel. The last member Darth Lokess, disappeared forever, though for some centuries some claimed her screams could be heard from the bowels of the Citadel.
Taken from (Star Wars: The Old Republic: Encyclopedia)
NOTE: The Dark Council typically comprises of the most powerful Sith in the galaxy.
6. Defeated a Strike Team of some of the most powerful Jedi of the Order:
With Grand Master Satele Shan's support, Master Braga assembles a strike team of the strongest and most resolute Jedi in the order. Their goal is to pinpoint the Emperor's hidden fortress, capture the Sith leader alive, and turn him to the light side. The Jedi do not realize that they have underestimated the true extent of the Emperor's power. It is an error that will cost them dearly.
From (Star Wars: The Old Republic: Encyclopedia)
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The plan to invade the Emperor's fortress succeeds beyond Master Braga's greatest ambitions. However, the Jedi find more than they bargained for when they finally confront the Sith leader in his lair. The Emperor is more than a man - he is the living embodiment of the dark side. Armed with incalculable powers of corruption, the Emperor easily defeats the Knight, Master Braga, and their fellow Jedi, twisting them all to the dark side.
From (Star Wars: The Old Republic: Encyclopeda)
7. Possessed millions of individuals:
By drawing on his incredible dark powers, the Emperor imprinted his consciousness onto unwitting pawns who would serve as vessels for carrying out his will. Through the eyes and ears of these "children," he would uncover threats in both the Empire and Republic while they were still nothing but whispers. And should the need arise, the Emperor could seize control of his children and instruct them to crush any plot that dared defy his will.
From (Star Wars: The Old Republic: Encyclopedia)
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The Emperor escaped destruction on Yavin 4, and now his presence has been felt on the planet Ziost, once powerful throne world of the Sith Empire. You are called upon again to face this galactic menace when your allies realize that the entire planet's inhabitants have been mind-controlled.
Taken from (Star Wars: The Old Republic: Community News "Welcome to Game Update 3.2: Rise of the Emperor"😉
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Unleashed from his sanctuary on Yavin 4, the former Sith Emperor has now struck the Imperial world of Ziost. Using his immense power in the dark side of the Force, he has dominated the minds of the planet’s Imperial troops--as well as an elite cadre of militaristic Jedi--and has set them against the populace, engaging in a bloody slaughter.
Taken from (Star Wars: The Old Republic: Rise of the Emperor)
8. Created beings of pure dark side energy at will:
But Monoliths are something beyond Sithspawn: they are everlasting monstrosities built not on a foundation of living tissue but of dark side energy itself. Enduring and merciless and quite possibly unkillable, Monoliths plainly illustrate the immeasurable power of their creator and are best avoided at all costs.
From (Star Wars: The Old Republic: Rise of the Emperor)
9. Ravaged planet Ziost with Force Drain powers, atomizing living beings in the process:
Global cataclysms are not unheard of. Whole worlds teeming with life have been rendered lifeless by meteorites, broken apart by instability in the planet's own core--even atomized by the destructive force of a supernova. But the eerie calm of a world stripped of life yet left otherwise intact is another matter altogether. Whispered rumors have persisted of planets snuffed out through intricate Sith rituals or by way of deadly, arcane machines--such as the device Revan sought to employ on Yavin 4--but Ziost represents a clear display of the corrosive power of the dark side of the Force taken to its extreme.
From (Star Wars: The Old Republic: Rise of the Emperor)
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As I pointed out to you, Vitiate have some of the best showings in the mythos. He have demonstrated power greater then that of any mortal.
Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
2. All information counts especially if it's cannon. Cannon beat legends everytime. So outdated or not vitiate is legends while Sidious Luke and yoda are cannon, and Sidious is kmown as the most powerful SITH lord of all time by ROTS and the. Add legends the other are superior to vitiate.
Vitiate have been introduced to the mythos years later then such promotions. Those promotions will be scrutinized on the basis of newer developments.
Darth Sidious, as of ROTS, have nothing on Vitiate.
Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
3. So two can palaptine but yet he was beaten by Luke Skywalker. Dude I want the SITH to win two but they have the weak link as yoda can effectively match anything vitiate can throw or Luke can and definitely defeat depending on how the battles go. If it goes Luke vs Sidiosu and Yoda vs Vititae, Luke will help yoda once he defeats palaptine, but if it's the other way around where yoda fights Sidious it wil be a good fight but Sidious would come out the victor while Luke has thoroughly taken care of vitiate. And then Luke would defeat Sidious. So either way the Jedi win as they have the most powerful force weilders of all time.
Feats matter yes, but there have been beings who can unleash devastating power on different levels and they can still match and defeat them.
Vitiate is very effective in using the Force in offensive manner and even Strike Teams of powerful Force-users are unable to stop him. As an example:
Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
4. Didn't he need an entire 8000 SITH and weeks of preparation to drain a planet.
Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
If he could use it on anyone why didn't he use it on the hero of tython? He had plenty of time unless drain takes time in which vitiate does need. Also I find it hard to believe that force drain is unblockable, especially by people of Luke and Yodas level.
Vitiate is able to drain any being, from living individuals to spirits. And Force Drain powers materialize swiftly.
Force Drain powers cannot be effectively countered using conventional techniques.
Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
5. I'm going to let you know something. 1) Who is this statement said by? Is it someone form TOR era. If it is they didn't take into consideration any future SITH.
Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
Again didn't Revan get out of Vitiates control?
The mindwipe performed on him by the Jedi High Council of his era, did the deed.
Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
Also if someone strong willed enough or incredibly powerful in mind barriers (Yoda and Luke and Sidious). Yoda out of his prime was able to withstand a SITH ritual form Sidious and Dooku, tow of the most powerful force weilders of all time. With Sidiosu being superior to vitiate. So with that vitiates power won't work on yoda, and Luke is more powerful than both Sidious and yoda and dooku so he can definitely defy vitiate.
Sidious being superior to Vitiate is a FANON assumption based on outdated revelations.
If telepathic powers can work on Luke, they can work on Yoda as well. And Vitiate can break even the strongest Jedi:
The Emperor can wither and ruin even the strongest Jedi's connection to the light side.
From (Star Wars: The Old Republic: Codex Entry titled "The Emperor's Fallen Jedi (Knight)."😉
Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
6. Interesting. Yoda or like is no doubt more powerful than all of those council members combined or at least most and they also have their own power in the force so I don't see vitiate doing anything to them in terms of telepathy.
Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
8. He can't do force storm.
Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
9. Key word some. I didn't say all I said some. Learn to read.
Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
10. No. He is not the strongest force weilders of the three. You are a fanboy who try's to put him onto power of everyone. Luke is stated by George Lucas and Disney has not made any announcement of that being changed or anything. Luke is the most powerful force weilder that there has or ever will be, that includes vitiate. Sidious is the most powerful SITH ever. No contradiction anywhere. Yoda is second to Luke and most likely not extremely far behind but not really that close either. So vitiate is definitely the weakes one here.
Luke isn't the most powerful Force-user and no source have stated as such. Your assumption is baseless.
Sidious's promotion as the most powerful Sith are in outdated sources that do not cover Vitiate.
Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
11. And the fact that he's stated as the most powerful SITH of all time by Lucas as of ROTS.
Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
He also has better lighting no doubt, and better TK.
Vitiate overwhelmed lightsaber-augmented defenses of some of the strongest Jedi of the Order with Force Lightning:
Keep in mind that Vitiate wasn't trying to kill these Jedi.
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Vitiate also wrecked Revan with Force Lightning and would have reduced the Jedi in question to ash if T3-M4 had not interfered.
Keep in mind that Revan was extremely proficient in defensive aspects of the Force.
A dozen bolts of lightning sprang from Nyriss's hand, arcing across the room to incinerate her enemies. Instead of leaping back into the cell to avoid the deadly attack, Revan stepped forward to intercept it.
Both hands were held in front of him, his arms fully extended at shoulder height, his thumbs touching and his fingers splayed wide. He drew the bolts of lightning into his waiting grasp, channeling them away from their intended targets and absorbing their power.
"I am Revan reborn," he said to Nyriss. "And before me you are nothing."
Nyriss's eyes went wide as Revan unleashed the power of her own attack against her. She tried to throw up another Force shield, but the bolts ripped it apart and continued on unabated. The lightning engulfed her, the intense heat consuming her instantly, leaving only a pile of charred ash.
Taken from (Star Wars: The Old Republic: Revan)
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Vitiate also have fantastic telekinetic showings. He sent Revan packing across the hall without a gesture, utterly disintegrated T3-M4 without a gesture (a droid that wasn't damaged by falling down the stairs and crashing into a wall), halted lightsaber strike of Lord Scourge mid-air without a gesture, and collapsed a section of the Dark Temple without physical presence.
And also this:
Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
He also has a knowledge of all known SITH abilities as of ROTS.
For comparison:
In his relentless pursuit of immortality, the Emperor explored the most sinister, uncharted depths of the dark side.
From (Star Wars: The Old Republic: Encyclopedia)
Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
That knowledge only furthered when he killed off most of the Jedi and then took their holocrons or found other SITH teachings .
Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
12. I refer you to the above statements. Yoda as of ROTS is capable of great feats. Again vitiates lightning won't get passed Yodas tutaminis, as he was able to hold ROTS Sidious back and redirect it, so,vitiates, and yoda being a little stronger in the force sense this is his prime, can defiantly hold vitiates and possibly push it back to where it fries vitiate or distracts him to where yoda could push him and collapse rocks on top of him.
Revan, being extremely proficient in defensive aspects of the Force, could not handle Vitiate's Force Lightning. Yoda doesn't have much hope either and he was utterly exhausted by deflecting Sidious's Force Lightning.
Originally posted by DarthAnt66
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Revan's body was engulfed in agony as the electricity coursed through his body. His skin began to boil and blister, the flesh of his face melting and sticking to the superheated metal of his mask as the Emperor poured more and more power into him.
Through the haze of indescribable pain, he saw T3-M4 rushing in to help him. The droid let loose with his flamethrower, bathing the Emperor in fire. At the last instant the Emperor cocooned himself in the Force to save himself from being incinerated, breaking his focus on Revan.
The Jedi collapsed to the ground, burned but still alive, the hilt of his extinguished lightsaber lying on the floor less than a meter beyond his grasp.
Taken from (Star Wars: The Old Republic: Revan)
What do you think would have happened if T3-M4 had not interfered? Revan would have perished, burned to ash or worse.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
You need to quote to understand that?Revan's body was engulfed in agony as the electricity coursed through his body. His skin began to boil and blister, the flesh of his face melting and sticking to the superheated metal of his mask as the Emperor poured more and more power into him.
Through the haze of indescribable pain, he saw T3-M4 rushing in to help him. The droid let loose with his flamethrower, bathing the Emperor in fire. At the last instant the Emperor cocooned himself in the Force to save himself from being incinerated, breaking his focus on Revan.
The Jedi collapsed to the ground, burned but still alive, the hilt of his extinguished lightsaber lying on the floor less than a meter beyond his grasp.
Taken from (Star Wars: The Old Republic: Revan)
What do you think would have happened if T3-M4 had not interfered? Revan would have perished, burned to ash or worse.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Vitiate have much superior showings then Yoda.Revan, being extremely proficient in defensive aspects of the Force, could not handle Vitiate's Force Lightning. Yoda doesn't have much hope either and he was utterly exhausted by deflecting Sidious's Force Lightning.
Dolly has more superior showings than yoda yet yoda is greater than Dooku.
Yoda can handle vitiates lightning based on how he could take and redirect Sidious out of his prime. And your point is? He just went through a lenghth lightsbaers duel and spent enough to time jumping from Pod pod so him bis get able to do that while exhausted is pretty impressive.
So if it's a lightning vs tutaminis battle yoda wins the majority.
Originally posted by Lord Stark
No he's not as per multiple canon statements.
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The Sith Emperor has mastered the dark side's power to become the most dominating Force-user the galaxy has ever seen.
From (Star Wars: The Old Republic: Codex Entry titled "The Emperor's Fallen Jedi (Knight)."😉
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The Sith Emperor is the most powerful Force-user who has ever existed. Unless this implacable enemy can be defeated, the Jedi Order is doomed.
From (Star Wars: The Old Republic: Encyclopedia)
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The Sith Emperor, history's most powerful dark side master, performed a ritual of incredible scope to consume the life energy of every being on his homeworld.
From (Star Wars: The Old Republic: Encyclopedia)
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Over 300 years ago, the great Jedi heroes Revan and Malak stumbled upon long-hidden Sith Empire's capital of Dromund Kaas, and its ruler - a mysterious, almost godlike avatar of the dark side.
From (Star Wars: The Old Republic Encyclopedia)
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Scourge expected them to search him, or at least instruct him to turn over his weapons. But Yarri and the others simply stood at attention, waiting for him to enter. The fact that they showed no concern over letting an armed Sith Lord speak to the Emperor face-to-face without any kind of preparation was a testament to the Emperor's unfathomable power.
From (Star Wars: The Old Republic: Revan)
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The pyramid's base represents the masses; the peak, rising to the point and seeming to pierce Korriban's harsh sun, embodies the blinding power of the Emperor.
From (Star Wars: The Old Republic: Encyclopedia)
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"The Dread Masters changed Oricon. Even their combined power is insignificant compared to the Emperor."
From (Emperor's Wrath II, Star Wars: The Old Republic: Shadow of Revan)
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"The Emperor is the dark side incarnate. You wouldn't stand a chance."
From (Emperor's Wrath II, Star Wars: The Old Republic: Shadow of Revan)
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"...The Emperor will prove far too powerful for Revan, or anyone else."
From (Darth Marr, Star Wars: The Old Republic: Shadow of Revan)
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Enduring and merciless and quite possibly unkillable, Monoliths plainly illustrate the immeasurable power of their creator and are best avoided at all costs.
From (Star Wars: The Old Republic: Rise of the Emperor)
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"No one person - not even Revan - can truly destroy the Emperor. He will destroy Revan, then move on to the rest of us. In time, he will consume all life in the galaxy."
From (Darth Marr, Star Wars: The Old Republic: Shadow of Revan)
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The Emperor is more than a man - he is the living embodiment of the dark side.
From (Star Wars: The Old Republic: Encyclopedia)
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He was a living embodiment of the dark side of the Force who delighted in destroying the minds and spirits of those Jedi who came too close to him.
From (Star Wars: The Old Republic: Encyclopedia)
Originally posted by Lord Stark
Also you said he can defeat the Daughter, so you think he's more powerful than immortals. Which is ridiculous.
The Ones are not immortal. The Father was dying as an example. The Ones can live a lot longer then mortals though.
Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
Dolly has more superior showings than yoda yet yoda is greater than Dooku.
Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
Yoda can handle vitiates lightning based on how he could take and redirect Sidious out of his prime.
Yoda found it difficult to absorb and deflect Force Lightning of Count Dooku:
Dooku gave a little growl and thrust forth his hand, loosing a line of blue lightning at the diminutive Master. Yoda caught it in his own hand and turned it aside, but far from easily.
"Powerful you have become, Dooku," Yoda admitted, and the Count grinned-but Yoda promptly took that grin away by adding, "The dark side I sense in you."
"I have become more powerful than any Jedi," Dooku countered. "Even you, my old Master!"
More lightning poured forth from Dooku's hand, but Yoda continued to catch it and turn it, and seemed to become even more settled in his defensive posture.
"Much to learn you still have," Yoda remarked.
Taken from (Star Wars: Attack of the Clones: Novelization)
In comparison, Revan easily absorbed and deflected a more potent expression of Force Lightning from a Dark Council member:
A dozen bolts of lightning sprang from Nyriss's hand, arcing across the room to incinerate her enemies. Instead of leaping back into the cell to avoid the deadly attack, Revan stepped forward to intercept it.
Both hands were held in front of him, his arms fully extended at shoulder height, his thumbs touching and his fingers splayed wide. He drew the bolts of lightning into his waiting grasp, channeling them away from their intended targets and absorbing their power.
"I am Revan reborn," he said to Nyriss. "And before me you are nothing."
Nyriss's eyes went wide as Revan unleashed the power of her own attack against her. She tried to throw up another Force shield, but the bolts ripped it apart and continued on unabated. The lightning engulfed her, the intense heat consuming her instantly, leaving only a pile of charred ash.
Taken from (Star Wars: The Old Republic: Revan)
As I pointed out to you, Revan is extremely proficient in defensive aspects of the Force. More-so then even Yoda.
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Yoda got knocked out by a blast of Force Lightning from Darth Sidious earlier in their duel. Did you forget?
Yoda lost his Lightsaber to another blast of Force Lightning from Sidious and deflecting it proved exhausting for the Jedi.
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Vitiate will eat Yoda alive.
Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
And your point is? He just went through a lenghth lightsbaers duel and spent enough to time jumping from Pod pod so him bis get able to do that while exhausted is pretty impressive.
So if it's a lightning vs tutaminis battle yoda wins the majority.
Re: Palpatine & Vitiate vs Luke & Yoda
As per OP all of them are in their physical prime so prime!Yoda is even more powerful than his RotS incarnation. I also assume this is DE!Sidious.
Yoda vs. Vitiate. Well, Yoda is just better at everything concerning a fight. He's faster, much more agile, vastly superior in close combat and can take everything Vitiate throwns at him via TK or FL.
Luke vs. Sidious is also a spectacular fight, with Luke holding an edge.
In short: Luke > DE Sidious > Prime!Yoda > Vitiate
All in all, the Jedi team wins this.
"Yoda is just better at everything concerning a fight".... What a joke this guy is.
Yoda's combat record:-
Vs. Ventress = Victory
Vs. Count Dooku = No outcome
Vs. Darth Sidious = Failure
Such a fantastic combat record it is.
"can take verything Vitiate throwns at him via TK or FL".... This is bad for even a joke.
TK and FL are not defensive abilities. Somebody needs to learn the basics of Star Wars.