Palpatine & Vitiate vs Luke & Yoda

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
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I have not read so much nonsense in a while.

You don't keep a journal?

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
"Yoda is just better at everything concerning a fight".... What a joke this guy is.

Yoda's combat record:-

Vs. Ventress = Victory
Vs. Count Dooku = No outcome
Vs. Darth Sidious = Failure

Such a fantastic combat record it is.

"can take verything Vitiate throwns at him via TK or FL".... This is bad for even a joke.

TK and FL are not defensive abilities. Somebody needs to learn the basics of Star Wars.

Vitiate's combat record is so much better though:

Revan and Malak = Win
Revans team = Inconclusive, Scourge betrays
Hero of Tython = Lose
Tol Braga team = Win
Hero of Tython = Lose, killed
Swtor Protag = Lose (repeatedly in possessed bodies)

Yoda forced Dooku to retreat, shouldn't be labeled as "no outcome".

Twice.

+ He's defeated Mace
+ He pwned Plo, Depa, and Saesee

Originally posted by Nephthys

Revan and Malak = Win
Revans team = Inconclusive, Scourge betrays
Hero of Tython = Lose
Tol Braga team = Win
Hero of Tython = Lose, killed
Swtor Protag = Lose (repeatedly in possessed bodies)

LOL what? Are you talking about Kira?

Also, he technically never lost while fighting at full capacity. He was extremely weakened when he got killed and Revan + friends fight is inconclusive but he did pwn Revan there and after Scourge witnessed Vitiate's power, he strongly believed that they would still lose if he hadn't betrayed them.

And him losing to protag again does not represent his full power.

He's talking about Vitiate's fights, as in he lost when he fought the HoT one on one, regardless of circumstances. It's a record, not a cut-and-dry determination of power.

Originally posted by Sinious
LOL what? Are you talking about Kira?

Also, he technically never lost while fighting at full capacity. He was extremely weakened when he got killed and Revan + friends fight is inconclusive but he did pwn Revan there and after Scourge witnessed Vitiate's power, he strongly believed that they would still lose if he hadn't betrayed them.

And him losing to protag again does not represent his full power.

Gosh, it's almost as if a list of wins and losses doesn't actually demonstrate an accurate depiction of ability or something.

I had to say something.

I'm not sure why we talk about track records of ALL the fights tbh / shrug.

All I said in my previous post that Yoda is vastly superior to Vitiate in close combat, not that he has better track record of all the fights he participated in.

Regardless, the proof enough is that Yoda was able to pretty much stalemate Sidious is close combat, a Sith Lord that is faster, more agile, and more skilled than Viti. As is Yoda, of course. And Yoda in this thread is Prime!Yoda so better than his RotS incarnation.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Vitiate's combat record is so much better though:

Revan and Malak = Win
Revans team = Inconclusive, Scourge betrays
Hero of Tython = Lose
Tol Braga team = Win
Hero of Tython = Lose, killed
Swtor Protag = Lose (repeatedly in possessed bodies)

Vs. Lord Dramath = Win
Vs. Sith Strike Team led by Darth Lokess = Win
Vs. Revan and Malak = Win
Vs. Revan = Win
Vs. Jedi Strike Team led by Tol Braga = Win

Vitiate's loss to Hero of Tython is a circumstantial development; Vitiate's effectiveness was compromised by disruption of his ritual.

On planet Ziost, Vitiate forced the Protags to retreat from the planet, it was his victory. Loss of some possessed hosts to the protags made no difference. These possessed hosts were not proper avatars like a Voice.

Originally posted by |King Joker|
Yoda forced Dooku to retreat, shouldn't be labeled as "no outcome".

And calling Yoda vs Ventress a simple "victory" for him, is criminally understating how easily he overpowered her. There in fact was no fight between them.

Also his "failure" against Darth Sidious was really a stalemate. But a stalemate in that scenario meant Yoda failed.

Also, Drawing Sidious by one's self is no mean feat, considering he just pwned 3 other guys in less then a minute and then pulled a wounded gazelle gambit on the last.

Originally posted by carthage
Luke has struggled with Lumiya, Welk, Lomi Plo i,e duelists he should logically annihilate. Sidious has beaten Yoda who is above Caedus in just about everything barring esoteric abilities, they're close but Sidious is canonically better than Caedus. He's also beaten Luke before as well so that helps imo

Please link me to the different version of the movie than I have where Sidious beats Yoda. The version I saw was either a stalemate or Yoda looking slightly superior. Do you have some Sids apologist version of that movie that removes him losing to Mace and beating Yoda?

BTW... Look is NJO is superior to Sids in virtually every way imaginable. It's almost to the point of a non fight.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Please link me to the different version of the movie than I have where Sidious beats Yoda. The version I saw was either a stalemate or Yoda looking slightly superior. Do you have some Sids apologist version of that movie that removes him losing to Mace and beating Yoda?

BTW... Look is NJO is superior to Sids in virtually every way imaginable. It's almost to the point of a non fight.

The only reason would look better is because the terrain they were in was against Sidious. Yoda is smaller and this had more room for his movements while Sidious was hampered. So really it's no real way to say who is better as per the movies they looked pretty even in almost every way.

I'm okay with even, but in no way did Sids win that fight. If anything yoda looked the superior of the two. I'm fine with a stalemate, but I just wanted to see the Sids apologist copy this guy had of the movie

In RotS it was a stalemate in a fight, and a failure for Yoda because he did not accomplish his mission (to kill Sids). That's it really.

Regardless, Prime!Yoda is better than his RotS self. 😎

Originally posted by Stigma
In RotS it was a stalemate in a fight, and a failure for Yoda because he did not accomplish his mission (to kill Sids). That's it really.

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Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
The only reason would look better is because the terrain they were in was against Sidious. Yoda is smaller and this had more room for his movements while Sidious was hampered. So really it's no real way to say who is better as per the movies they looked pretty even in almost every way.

Actually, the canonical guides and source material put Sidious > Yoda.

Huh?