Who ordered construction of clone troops?

mephistodesigns >> Just one thing, dooku was not working for Palpatine when the order for the troops where made. This is clear when Obi-wan told them that Syfo-Dias died “over ten years ago”, the Komina’s did not respond by saying that the order was made after that, and also it as taken 10 years for the clones to develop as far have they have in AOTC. So if dooku was not working for Palpatine why o why would he have placed an order for the clones, at the time Palpatines apprentice was maul so it is a lot more likely to have been darth maul than dooko.

Regards, godfather

Godfather- incorrect. Obi-Wan says Sifo-Dyas died ALMOST ten years ago- the opppsite of 'over'. So the rest of your logic falls apart.

It is Mace and Yoda he says to that he thought Sifo-Dyas had died before that time.

i think its yoda..... hes old enoough.. and uhh he did tell obi wan to go there did he not? sorry if the answer is already here... i didnt read all of it

Originally posted by Ushgarak
It seems almost certain that is why Jango used the Dart- there seems no other logical reason for it.

But did Obi-Wan find it too fast? Jango seemed unpleased to see him. You might think Jango was MEANT to lead Obi-Wan to Geonosis- but Jango's attempt to kill Obi-Wan on ground and in space seemed genuine to me.

I think the plasn went a little wrong0 so Dooku had to fight his way out- but other than that went as Sidious planned.

I think Jango used that Kaminoa dart so that it would be impossible for him to be traced. He used that dart because the archives didnt have Kaminoa in its memory banks. Remember that in order to discover the source of that dart, Obi Wann had to ask Dexx, an unimportant guy uknown to the Sith.

If Jango had just shot Zam he never would have been traced, would he? Or if he had used any non-Kaminoan weapon the Clones would never have been found.

No, that had to be deliberate. The Jedi HAD to discover that clone army. It is almost certain that the Jedi would have eventually found that link and the conspicuous absence of the planet of origin from their data banks. Obi-Wan just did it faster than expected.

Originally posted by stinkfist462
i think its yoda..... hes old enoough.. and uhh he did tell obi wan to go there did he not? sorry if the answer is already here... i didnt read all of it

godfather, again, watch the movie again and pay attention. Dooku left the order right after Qui-gon died. That was the last straw for him, whether or not he was or was not in contact with Palpatine then or just after we do not know. But Sifo Dyas would have been killed shortly after this point too. then the Sith ordered the clones. As Ush pointed out, "almost" is just short of, not exactly 10 years. Didn't somebody even define that to kill that arguement a while back?

That was me.

i like this whole Jango thing. its interesting. Maybe the they needed the Jedi to find Kamino so that, as far as the galaxy at large was concerned, it would look as though the Jedi had in fact ordered the army, which would give Palpatine another point of bad press to use against the Jedi in III when he deals with them, its widely understood that the normal people in the galaxy don't really like Jedi getting involved in there buisness, and they don't know much about them so they're not widely trusted. Now it looks as though the Jedi went and ordered an army. I'm sure most citizens of the Republic will be angry about that. If something like this is the case, then I doubt Jango was even aware of it, he was probably told to use the weapon or one similar. But it could also just be that he likes using them because they're effective and not widely available.

Yes, I think it is very important to Palpatine's plan that the Jedi found the Clone army. And if you accept that, that he was leaving a trail seems the only logical reason for Jango to use that weapon- because, looking at it from the other side (so far we have said that he had no other reason to use it)- how else would the Jedi ever have found it?

the point has to be that the Jedi started it,
they did something on a planet where they shouldn't have been on in the first place cause it's not in the republic anymore
and they created an army when the debate was still going

funny huh 🙂

But just because the word “almost” was used this does not mean that dooku was working for Palpatine, agreed I am wrong with my wording, but it still seems unlikely that dooku was working for Palpatine at the time the clones were ordered, there is still a big grey area, because almost ten years ago, maul died, so he could have been as likely to order them as dooku. Granted maul would look a bit strange working onto Kamino and claiming to be a Jedi, think the black cape, red face and horns would be a little suspect, LOL

Regards, godfather

Nah. Maul died before the Clones were ordered. As GL says, Sidious starts to look at Clones AFTER the failure of the Battle Droids on Naboo.

see, Maul died EXACTLY then years ago, Sifo ALMOST ten years,
you know it's not the real Sifo that did it, but the Sith or one of their affiliates, so it just couldn't be Maul, cause at the time the order got in (from a guy named Sifo-Dyas and the "template" provided by a guy named Tyranus, from one of the moons of Bogden), he was in two pieces somewhere in a shaft on Naboo

First thing is the dates are not exact, and maul could have died almost 10 years before just as he could have died just over 10 year before. And if maul was dead that does not leave a lot of time for Palpatine to recruit dooku.

Secondly it is highly likely that Jango was at the meeting or at least seen Sifo-Dyas, and we know he as meet dooku, if dooku placed the order, Jango would know they where the same person, yea.

as i say its a grey area, and will be told in EPIII.

no, it's all really clearly laid out!
ANH is "point zero"
TPM: 32 years before ANH
AOTC: 22 years before ANH
EpIII: 20 years before ANH

there's 10 years between TPM and AOTC, not 9, not 11, ten, exactly ten, this has been confirmed by Lucas and McCallum on numerous occasions!

how can you know Jango saw sifo? did he say that?
and he probably knows the entire story, or the highlights at least, but he doesn't talk, why should he? he gets payed for getting cloned and he continues to do his work and with his actions he'll probably get even more work

when you say almost ten years, you could mean 9 years 11 months, or when you just over 10 years 1 month, i dont think the films where Exactly 10 years to the day apart, thats all I meant when I said it could be either.

and I did’t mean that Jango did see sifo, I just thought that it was likely he would have, I mean you would think he would be involved before he agreed to have thousands of clones made of himself, and someone like Jango makes it his job to know exactly whats going on and who is involved.

as far as we know, if they say it's ten years in between, it's exactly ten years in between!
it's CLEARLY said that Maul died ten years ago and sifo ALMOST ten years ago! it's REDICULOUS if you keep nagging about it, cause if you do, please look up the word "almost"!

what does Jango care about how things work? he gets cloned, he gets a considerable wages and a son which apperently he always wanted, ... sweet deal for him and if he knew more, then he knew that with the war more people would get a bounty on their head thus him getting more money from the war!

I’m not nagging nor arguing merely just disusing with an open mind. Not saying your wrong nor I’m right, just trying to get as many facts and theories as possible to come up with the most logical theory. At the moment every idea I put fourth is being shot down in flames, which is good because it narrows down the possibilities, of cause I need a good enough explanation before I dismiss any idea. It’s just lots of people that come into the forums are not willing to listen to any other ideas but there own!!!(this is not aimed at anyone in particular)

Regards, godfather

good, now please stop about maul being the one, cause he clearly wasn't!