I mean look at this forum, no one can agree on anything and this is all fake.
People expect people in the real world to just get along?
You can't quell thousands of years of violence and hate bred into the human race by taking away guns.
You can't stop people from hating one another. That's the way it is. That's the way it will always be. I'm still shocked people haven't woken up to this, and they still get all worked up over it. The old OMG THATS RACIST, line is like old already. People kill other people, blacks kill blacks, whites kill whites. In any murder there is a hate crime. It's not just in murders involving different skin color.
If people truly wanted to move past race. Quit bringing it up all the time and using it to seperate us from one another.
If a white man kills a black man, it's murder. Just the same if a black man kills a black man, or a black man kills a white man. Both killers hated the other person for one reason or another.
This constant complaining about racism isn't the problem. It's the human condition of hate. Fix that, you fix everything.
Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
Racism will always exist, terrorism will always exist, guns will always exist, mentally ill people and maniacs will always exist. Sadly they are get mixed together in this form and this is the result. They are widely different topics each with there own issues.
Violence will probably always exist, but it's entirely possible for guns to disappear from America via restriction/scarcity of resources/obsoleteness 😛
Might take a thousand years, but a gun is hardly a concept intrinsic to human nature, unlike fear or brain injuries or whatever.
I can see where you're coming from, personally I'm not very attached to laws invoking race as they seem intentionally made to apease a certain part of the population and to be done for good consciousness's sake.
That said, if you kill your wife's lover because you hate him you are potentially less dangerous to the population than if you killed your neighbor because he was white. Still, you commited one single crime each time.
Originally posted by Time-Immemorial Wow, lets rewind. Where was bash's joke tags??? I mean I would never accuse you of being bias or a hypocrite.
First post of the thread by Bashar: "this story does not support my narrow world view narrative, so i'll ignore it." -every kmc racist, probably
Second post: "i bet the killer was actually programmed by the liberals in order to push their anti-gun agenda.
wow circlejerks are awesome. we can literally make anything true by believing it together."
In the first one, he literally had it in quotes. In the second, he used a second line to indicate his second wasn't true.
So he indicated his non-literal nature twice.
And, unlike you, he doesn't have a history of buying into things that are more absurd.
Now let me school you some more..He was wearing flags.
Consider yourself schooled.
Oh, so you see flags and automatically assume that he's delusional and think he's from another country?
Let me give you a bit of history of those flags and the white supremacist movement, from multiple sources.
“South Africa has been a symbol to white supremacists in the United States and Europe. A common white supremacist tactic is to claim white genocide is occurring around the globe, and South Africa is the main place they point to as where it is occurring,” Pitcavage said. “There have been rallies across the U.S. in recent years against white genocide in South Africa, this totally non-existent white genocide in South Africa, but in their minds, it’s a total cause celebre.” -Mark Pitcavage, the Anti-Defamation League's Director of Investigative Research and expert on extremism.
"Stephen Piggott, a campaign coordinator at the Southern Poverty Law Center, says that the apartheid-era flag has recently appeared at rallies in the U.S. for a nationalist group called the South Africa Project, a group that raises awareness of alleged genocide against white farmers in South Africa.
It has also appeared at what are called “white man marches,” which have recently taken place in the U.K., and are centered around the “white genocide movement,” which attempts to maintain political and cultural white power around the world.
“The flag shows up at protests where there’s talk of white genocide, not just in South Africa,” Piggott says. “The last time we’ve seen the apartheid flag has been around the white genocide movement.”
Piggott says the SPLC has not seen the Rhodesian flag pop up at protests, but the website of at least one white nationalist group, the Council of Conservative Citizens, links to a site that sells the flags online. The site, South Carolina-based Patriotic-Flags.com, did not respond to TIME’s request for comment."
This goes into gullibility/making stuff up again. You made up a story about him believing himself to be from different countries, when in reality they're symbols of him believing into a racial propaganda line used by several groups, and not much different than wearing the US confederate flag.
You don't think anyone wearing the confederate flag believes it's during the civil war, do you?
Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
Racism will always exist, terrorism will always exist, guns will always exist, mentally ill people and maniacs will always exist. Sadly they are get mixed together in this form and this is the result. They are widely different topics each with there own issues.
Amounts of racism aren't constant, and things can be done about them. Ditto amounts of terrorism, and even guns.
There's been no reports of the killer being mentally ill.
You can't stop people from hating one another. That's the way it is. That's the way it will always be. I'm still shocked people haven't woken up to this, and they still get all worked up over it. The old OMG THATS RACIST, line is like old already. People kill other people, blacks kill blacks, whites kill whites. In any murder there is a hate crime. It's not just in murders involving different skin color.
Except the amount of killing is inconsistent. It's not some human constant- some groups do it more than others. It consistently comes from some groups more than others. It strikes me as foolish to simply ignore that, and it also seems awfully convenient to only write it off when it hits a minority group.
If people truly wanted to move past race. Quit bringing it up all the time and using it to seperate us from one another.
Ah, that's a common thing people try and use to avoid having to deal with things, "It's not the racists that are the problem, it's the people who bring up racism."
Except the reason stuff is getting brought up is because there's been racism going on for a long time largely unreported. The hiring rates of black non-convicts and white convicts is about the same. In New York City, the first dozen people killed by police this year were half white, half black... all whites killed were armed, 30% of blacks killed were armed.
Back before black people had the vote, there were two main schools of thought. The 'act nice and get along, we'll get the vote eventually,' crew, and the 'let's bring this up, if we force the issue they'll have to act,' crew.
The first crew held sway for decades to no effect. Martin Luthor King Jr. is the leader of the second group.
Action defeats racism, not pretending it isn't there. This is a problem that can be deal with, but ignoring doesn't solve anything, and bringing a problem to light isn't the same as making a problem.
Originally posted by Q99
I really do not think he gets what 'sarcasm' is, or 'playing along'. He buys into the most ridiculous stuff all the time (remember when he thought the US had used nukes in Yemen? That was great), and then he said straight-faced with no sign of a joke that he agrees with Bashar's comment.
Still waiting on proof I said "the US nuked Yemen."
Also still waiting on proof what bash said was any less of a joke then what I said.
Keep using him as your crutch for your whole argument, its quiet entertaining.
I know there will be another unending long winded post explaining what you mean, or was trying to say or convey though, face it, you were wrong. Nuff said.
Originally posted by Bentley
I can see where you're coming from, personally I'm not very attached to laws invoking race as they seem intentionally made to apease a certain part of the population and to be done for good consciousness's sake.That said, if you kill your wife's lover because you hate him you are potentially less dangerous to the population than if you killed your neighbor because he was white. Still, you commited one single crime each time.
I don't think race based crimes have any more or less meaning then any other ones. If a person kills over race, or a person kills over any number of the other reasons people kill each other, to me its the same.
Murder is murder, One cause of it or another, does not diminish or heighten the other.
All murder is hate induced crime. Attaching skin color to it drives people into segregation. Which is what I thought we were all trying to come away from.
It does not in any way drive people into segregation. It instead highlights and targets the attitudes that result from segregation, as can be seen from this guy's views.
It's a worthy thing to target specifically via the legal process. Their general adoption in western society has been a major social advance.
If you think there do not exist significant groups of people who target others with violence simply because of what they are, you are deluding yourself.
That is what hate crime legislation is designed to target, highlight and oppose. Of course it's rarely massacres like this one, but this being an extreme hate crime doesn't mean we can say hate crimes don't exist because massacres like this are rare.
This kid didn't seem to be apart of any bigger organization and or rift group. He was some wanna be South African dead ideology on a mission to kill because of skin color. The worst thing that can happen now is the media start dropping the words "coming race war in Ameria" which is what they are doing. Stirring the pot.
The KKK exists but doesn't really do anything any more- aside from anyhting else, organisations like that committing crimes just make too easy a target for the authorities these days. The crimes don;t come from overt organisations, or even organisations at all. They come as a result of a maladjusted cultural mindset that some groups of people perpetuate.