Thanos vs Supermans

Originally posted by abhilegend
Just like Superman. But somehow Superman beating characters doesn't counts.

Name a time Thanos ripped apart a Herald level character with his bare hands after getting increasingly weakened by the same Herald level character absorbing his power.

Originally posted by LordofBrooklyn
The fault doesn't lie with Superman fans citing canon involving the character's strength. The blame should be placed on Thanos supporters making the assertion that the Mad Titan is stronger than Superman.

Thanos doesn't rely on brute strength to overwhelm opponents. Given this fact why would it be reasonable to presume that he is stronger than Superman without the feats to back it up?

If you believe my argument to be false, show me Thanos using strength solely to defeat Superman level characters.

Are you trying to be a bumbling moron here or is it just a bad day for you? Did you not understand the point he was making cause it seemed to fly right over your head. Thanos as a villain doesn't have listing feats.. he doesn't need to pull the earth to save it... nor does he need to bench press it. He's the one conjuring up the play that requires superman to do that. Do you understand these basic concepts? I'm being serious here as you seem to not.

This is the same reason DS or Mangog or Surtur or The General or DD don't have lifting feats like heroes do.. they show their strength by treating characters like superman like weak feebs.

I have an idea since you think Superman is stronger.. How about we list the times that Superman has been chumped and manhandled like a weak feeb... I'll list those times and you do the same for Thanos. Deal? Do you know how bad you'd lose such a list? Yet, you claim superman is stronger, and clearly so.. How can he be stronger when he's been treated like a weak feeb vastly more times than Thanos ever has? That makes zero logical sense.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Are you trying to be a bumbling moron here or is it just a bad day for you? Did you not understand the point he was making cause it seemed to fly right over your head. Thanos as a villain doesn't have listing feats.. he doesn't need to pull the earth to save it... nor does he need to bench press it. He's the one conjuring up the play that requires superman to do that. Do you understand these basic concepts? I'm being serious here as you seem to not.

This is the same reason DS or Mangog or Surtur or The General or DD don't have lifting feats like heroes do.. they show their strength by treating characters like superman like weak feebs.

I have an idea since you think Superman is stronger.. How about we list the times that Superman has been chumped and manhandled like a weak feeb... I'll list those times and you do the same for Thanos. Deal? Do you know how bad you'd lose such a list? Yet, you claim superman is stronger, and clearly so.. How can he be stronger when he's been treated like a weak feeb vastly more times than Thanos ever has? That makes zero logical sense.

Oooooo! Deathgod Walker and powered up Magus. Superman? Let me put on my reading glasses and take a Redbull....

Originally posted by quanchi112
That isn't Superman's average though so quit cherry picking. Ripping apart Doomsday has nothing to do with Thanos. Thanos treats teams of heralds like minor irritants while the same can't be said of Superman. Superman is out of his depth here. Darkseid isn't Thanos. Thanos wins, easily.

Thanos asked for Thor to blast him and for BB to scream at him. Think about that for a second.

We're talking about someone who swats Surfer and Thor like little more than flies. And that's the AVERAGE for Thanos.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Is it? From the viewpoint of GLs. For characters on earth, it didn't happen until issue 7.Because the earth hadn't fell into singularity yet. When it fell, the people were shrunk down for protection. Because for that earth would've been in the black hole. Why do you think Superman has to shrink down entire universe?

He was taking them to the black hole at the end of creation where Mandrakk was. Green Lanterns felt it, it caused space time to fracture and entire universes were destroyed because of it.

But it didn't cause any trouble to people who were actually *in* it like Superman.

Simply pathetic way to handwave a feat.

😂

Even if we accept that most of these guys are pretty durable, you are telling me that all of these guys are "no selling" a "multiversal" black hole? Heck a couple of guys from the Zoo Crew don't even have super durability like Alley-Kat-Abra and Yankee Poodle for crying out loud.

You are really reaching for the stars here Abhi. Really absurd line of thinking.

Basically what I'm trying to say is you can't apply characteristics of a regular black hole to Darkseid's.. For one it was swallowing up alternate earths. And then we see characters perfectly fine in the epicenter of said black hole... Walking, talking, fighting with no sign of struggle. Not even one..

Originally posted by Stoic
Understood, but if it were true, they would portray it in the comics. It may just be that Thanos, and super-humanly strong characters are simply also super fast, and have super fast reaction times.

Agreed.

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Heck a couple of guys from the Zoo Crew don't even have super durability like Alley-Kat-Abra and Yankee Poodle

Amazing names.

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Lol.. So this no selling of a "multiversal" black hole is applicable to a barely concious Supergirl, Ultraman, a squad of Lanterns with extremely depleted rings, an army of Supermen from the multiverse, an army of Pax Dei angels, the Super Young Team, and yes.... The phukkin Zoo Crew..

😂

Even if we accept that most of these guys are pretty durable, you are telling me that all of these guys are "no selling" a "multiversal" black hole? Heck a couple of guys from the Zoo Crew don't even have super durability like Alley-Kat-Abra and Yankee Poodle for crying out loud.

You are really reaching for the stars here Abhi. Really absurd line of thinking.

Basically what I'm trying to say is you can't apply characteristics of a regular black hole to Darkseid's.. For one it was swallowing up alternate earths. And then we see characters perfectly fine in the epicenter of said black hole... Walking, talking, fighting with no sign of struggle. Not even one..

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Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Amazing names.

Originally posted by quanchi112
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Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Are you trying to be a bumbling moron here or is it just a bad day for you? Did you not understand the point he was making cause it seemed to fly right over your head. Thanos as a villain doesn't have listing feats.. he doesn't need to pull the earth to save it... nor does he need to bench press it. He's the one conjuring up the play that requires superman to do that. Do you understand these basic concepts? I'm being serious here as you seem to not.

This is the same reason DS or Mangog or Surtur or The General or DD don't have lifting feats like heroes do.. they show their strength by treating characters like superman like weak feebs.

I have an idea since you think Superman is stronger.. How about we list the times that Superman has been chumped and manhandled like a weak feeb... I'll list those times and you do the same for Thanos. Deal? Do you know how bad you'd lose such a list? Yet, you claim superman is stronger, and clearly so.. How can he be stronger when he's been treated like a weak feeb vastly more times than Thanos ever has? That makes zero logical sense.

Your inability to make an argument is demonstrated by the ad hominem opening.

Thanos, as you may be passingly aware has a myriad of abilities at his disposal besides strength. In all of the battles he has faced not once has he relied solely on strength. In the instances in which Thanos does display brute force, none of his top showings comes near to that of Superman.

That is the point, pure and simple.

To your second point, the challenge that you set forth is badly flawed on several levels.

First, and most importantly is the issue of CIS when it comes to Superman. Thanos rarely if ever holds back in battle, to allow for a true comparison we have to use the instances in which Clark is of the same mindset as well. I would be more than happy to refer to these instances and list how many times he is treated as a "Weak feeb".

Second, if you don't allow for the aforementioned reasonable application of character mindset, the number of appearances is an issue. If we use Pre-Flashpoint as a standard the sheer number of times Superman is in battle allows for more low showings. Over the course of 6 months Superman has more appearances than Thanos in his entire canon. Dcnu Superman, is a character that is in flux and would provide a disproportionate amount fo low showings as well.

Your support of Thanos has caused to lash out with personal insults and flawed logic.

Originally posted by LordofBrooklyn
Your inability to make an argument is demonstrated by the ad hominem opening.

Thanos, as you may be passingly aware has a myriad of abilities at his disposal besides strength. In all of the battles he has faced not once has he relied solely on strength. In the instances in which Thanos does display brute force, none of his top showings comes near to that of Superman.

That is the point, pure and simple.

To your second point, the challenge that you set forth is badly flawed on several levels.

First, and most importantly is the issue of CIS when it comes to Superman. Thanos rarely if ever holds back in battle, to allow for a true comparison we have to use the instances in which Clark is of the same mindset as well. I would be more than happy to refer to these instances and list how many times he is treated as a "Weak feeb".

Second, if you don't allow for the aforementioned reasonable application of character mindset, the number of appearances is an issue. If we use Pre-Flashpoint as a standard the sheer number of times Superman is in battle allows for more low showings. Over the course of 6 months Superman has more appearances than Thanos in his entire canon. Dcnu Superman, is a character that is in flux and would provide a disproportionate amount fo low showings as well.

Your support of Thanos has caused to lash out with personal insults and flawed logic.

That made literally no sense at all.

First, let me start out with your hypocrisy first and we'll work our way back. You list superman having more appearances as a reason why he'll have more times of being treated like a weak feeb. Yet, this is the EXACT reason Superman has more combat showings in general than Thanos. The more appearance thing again. You can't have it both ways, either concede he has more feats than Thanos because of more appearances, not because he's stronger.. or more powerful or any such thing. That's why looking at the presentation of the character is what is most important. Thanos treats heralds for the most part like a minor nuisance. Heralds routinely keep up with superman and are his peers. So when he see Thanos chump surfer or thor.. and we see Superman bench press the earth... Why is the logical line of reasoning that Superman is stronger? We see thanos Chump people with better strength feats than him on a routine basis. That is how we know he's strong.. we don't need to see him towing the earth to show that. You can't complain about more low showings cause he has more showings and then not factor in the opposite

Second, don't think I didn't notice how you totally AVOIDED the subject of bad guys and how they are portrayed. I haven't see you concede that bad guys won't have lifting feats. Yet, your first example is, here's superman bench pressing earth.. show me a feat of Thanos matching that.... How can you even be complaining about somebody's logic when yours in down right horrific just based on the above. I'm going to take you avoiding this section as you concede you were wrong in asking for strength feats in that way

Third, you can't complain about mentality at all, that is simply and excuse to explain away his losses. Doesn't work that way. All that needs to be shown is that he's not weakened... not mentally fragile at the time... aware there's a threat and he needs to end it. THAT is all that matters. The rest is just superman apologists trying to excuse away him being treated like a weak feeb. Doesn't work that way. Sorry bud, superman has gotten feeb vastly more times than thanos.

So.. I'll ask again... Would you like to do a comparison of how many times Superman has been treated like a feeb and you can do the same for Thanos. I'll start by naming just a few

1. Grundy (more than once)
2. DD (more than once)
3. DS (more than once)
4. Titus

we'll just start there and you can counter. The reality is, Thanos has far far showings of being treated like a feeb. Even if we ratio out the number of appearance with the number of times being treated like a feeb... Thanos track record is still better. So the next time you even think about bringing up Superman being stronger... just relieve the times that Superman has been feeb'd and then remember how few times Thanos has.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
That made literally no sense at all.

First, let me start out with your hypocrisy first and we'll work our way back. You list superman having more appearances as a reason why he'll have more times of being treated like a weak feeb. Yet, this is the EXACT reason Superman has more combat showings in general than Thanos. The more appearance thing again. You can't have it both ways, either concede he has more feats than Thanos because of more appearances, not because he's stronger.. or more powerful or any such thing. That's why looking at the presentation of the character is what is most important. Thanos treats heralds for the most part like a minor nuisance. Heralds routinely keep up with superman and are his peers. So when he see Thanos chump surfer or thor.. and we see Superman bench press the earth... Why is the logical line of reasoning that Superman is stronger? We see thanos Chump people with better strength feats than him on a routine basis. That is how we know he's strong.. we don't need to see him towing the earth to show that. You can't complain about more low showings cause he has more showings and then not factor in the opposite

Second, don't think I didn't notice how you totally AVOIDED the subject of bad guys and how they are portrayed. I haven't see you concede that bad guys won't have lifting feats. Yet, your first example is, here's superman bench pressing earth.. show me a feat of Thanos matching that.... How can you even be complaining about somebody's logic when yours in down right horrific just based on the above. I'm going to take you avoiding this section as you concede you were wrong in asking for strength feats in that way

Third, you can't complain about mentality at all, that is simply and excuse to explain away his losses. Doesn't work that way. All that needs to be shown is that he's not weakened... not mentally fragile at the time... aware there's a threat and he needs to end it. THAT is all that matters. The rest is just superman apologists trying to excuse away him being treated like a weak feeb. Doesn't work that way. Sorry bud, superman has gotten feeb vastly more times than thanos.

So.. I'll ask again... Would you like to do a comparison of how many times Superman has been treated like a feeb and you can do the same for Thanos. I'll start by naming just a few

1. Grundy (more than once)
2. DD (more than once)
3. DS (more than once)
4. Titus

we'll just start there and you can counter. The reality is, Thanos has far far showings of being treated like a feeb. Even if we ratio out the number of appearance with the number of times being treated like a feeb... Thanos track record is still better. So the next time you even think about bringing up Superman being stronger... just relieve the times that Superman has been feeb'd and then remember how few times Thanos has.

Where to begin?

1. CIS- If mentality is irrelevant why do you think the concept of CIS is present on this board?

I'll match EVERY showing of Superman with Thanos' mindset.

Are you afraid of that standard?

2. "Bad Guys"- You can't use "Bad guys" as a means to characterize their abilities as being equal, most notably in the area of strength. Villains obviously vary in abilities, Strength would be the province of Mangog and The General, Surtur being the arch-villain of a skyfather is beyond that scope.

Don't think I missed your attempt to elevate Thanos to Skyfather with the inclusion of Surtur.

To show how tenous your argument of Superman being treated as a "Weak Feeb" I'll actually take the challenge.

1) Grundy - Which iteration?

You know there are various incarnations of the character.

2) Doomsday - The trap card should be hovering over you now.

Just like Grundy there is the issue of the version of the character.

DOS Doomsday- When Superman went all out aka "Thanoside" Doomsday he killed him with a few punches. Before letting loose he struggled for several issues.

3) Darkseid - The power of the avatar he is facing is relevant as is his mindset.

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Lol.. So this no selling of a "multiversal" black hole is applicable to a barely concious Supergirl, Ultraman, a squad of Lanterns with extremely depleted rings, an army of Supermen from the multiverse, an army of Pax Dei angels, the Super Young Team, and yes.... The phukkin Zoo Crew..

Basically what I'm trying to say is you can't apply characteristics of a regular black hole to Darkseid's.. For one it was swallowing up alternate earths. And then we see characters perfectly fine in the epicenter of said black hole... Walking, talking, fighting with no sign of struggle. Not even one..

But yeah ignore all on panel scans and cry more. I expect nothing more from you.

Originally posted by LordofBrooklyn
Your inability to make an argument is demonstrated by the ad hominem opening.

Thanos, as you may be passingly aware has a myriad of abilities at his disposal besides strength. In all of the battles he has faced not once has he relied solely on strength. In the instances in which Thanos does display brute force, none of his top showings comes near to that of Superman.

That is the point, pure and simple.

To your second point, the challenge that you set forth is badly flawed on several levels.

First, and most importantly is the issue of CIS when it comes to Superman. Thanos rarely if ever holds back in battle, to allow for a true comparison we have to use the instances in which Clark is of the same mindset as well. I would be more than happy to refer to these instances and list how many times he is treated as a "Weak feeb".

Second, if you don't allow for the aforementioned reasonable application of character mindset, the number of appearances is an issue. If we use Pre-Flashpoint as a standard the sheer number of times Superman is in battle allows for more low showings. Over the course of 6 months Superman has more appearances than Thanos in his entire canon. Dcnu Superman, is a character that is in flux and would provide a disproportionate amount fo low showings as well.

Your support of Thanos has caused to lash out with personal insults and flawed logic.

Originally posted by One-Punch
The Omega sanctions transported Batman to the past in that scene. But before that, Batman was still standing in the same room as Darkseid, who according to you was in the center a singularity. How is Batman, who's only human, not affected by being inside this"multiversal" black hole?

Originally posted by LordofBrooklyn
Where to begin?

1. CIS- If mentality is irrelevant why do you think the concept of CIS is present on this board?

I'll match EVERY showing of Superman with Thanos' mindset.

Are you afraid of that standard?

2. "Bad Guys"- You can't use "Bad guys" as a means to characterize their abilities as being equal, most notably in the area of strength. Villains obviously vary in abilities, Strength would be the province of Mangog and The General, Surtur being the arch-villain of a skyfather is beyond that scope.

Don't think I missed your attempt to elevate Thanos to Skyfather with the inclusion of Surtur.

To show how tenous your argument of Superman being treated as a "Weak Feeb" I'll actually take the challenge.

1) [B]Grundy - Which iteration?

You know there are various incarnations of the character.

2) Doomsday - The trap card should be hovering over you now.

Just like Grundy there is the issue of the version of the character.

DOS Doomsday- When Superman went all out aka "Thanoside" Doomsday he killed him with a few punches. Before letting loose he struggled for several issues.

3) Darkseid - The power of the avatar he is facing is relevant as is his mindset. [/B]

1. This was a waste of space and I'm not sure why you even said it. I SPECIFICALLLY referenced this point in my post you quoted. I said AS LONG AS superman ISN'T mentally weak etc etc it counts. I was very clear. If he's not weakened mentally and physically and realize there is a serious threat that needs to be put down.. and he tries to do so... That is it... that is all that is required for it to be a valid showing.

Nope, that is your criteria and not one that is supported by DC as what is required for a valid showing. That is you trying to be a superman apologist and trying to move the goalposts. I could care less what you consider to be thanos' "mentality", and even less so, you trying to match up what you believe is superman with that mentality. Talk about trying to run around and catch your own tail. Trying to compare something as subjective as that, and pass it off as a fact is downright laughable. Nice try though

Ummm Mangog is a PERFECT example, and exactly why your line of reasoning is terribly faulty. Mangog has no lifting feats to speak of. We don't see him towing earth.. or bench pressing earth or any such space cheese feat you wanna think of. However, his strength is CLEARLY portrayed when he faces Thor or Odin and is able to beat them or manhandle them. He doesn't need feats bench pressing earth. Portrayal is the KEY thing to look at when gauging strength. AGAIN, you avoided the fact that bad guys don't have lifting feats. They are the ones creating the situations that heroes need to lift earth to stop. Do you concede this point?

Just so we are clear what feeb means... we are ONLY talking about somebody getting manhandled... tossed.. slammed... punched or swatted away.. locking up and overpowering somebody. Those are examples of being feeb'd... Now...

1. Almost EVERY single appearance of Grundy shows him feebing superman. Often times he feebs him while the JLA are even helping him. Stop trying to act like you need specific issue numbers. This is routine for Grundy to toss around superman.

2. Same with Grundy, pretty much every version of DD has been shown to feeb superman throughout their fight. Feebing isn't winning the fight right away via toss or slam. It can be. However, if throughout the fight you're getting tossed... slammed.. chocked... overpowered... punched away.. and this is consistent in the fight. You were feeb'd

3. The power of the avatar lol.. More superman apologies coming. You have zero way of proving the power difference between avatars. Shit, you can't even really prove they were. One writer saying they were this doesn't override other writers who didn't write it that way. It was one writers interpretation of superman.. nothing more. Point is, he's been chumped by DS numerous times.. whether an avatar whether this or that. He's been feeb'd

I'll add a few more

Titus
Konvict
Despero
Zod

Now I'm waiting for the times Thanos has been physically feeb'd throughout a fight... Ready, set, go

I wouldn't say Zod 'feebs' Superman on a regular basis, though.

I wouldn't say so either... I'm simply saying he has been Feeb'd by Zod. All this is meant to illustrate is that if Superman is so much stronger than Thanos'... why does he have vastly and I mean vastly more amount of times being Feeb'd than Thanos? Which again is meant to illustrate the bigger point... Portrayal of the character is what matters most. When we see Thanos chump Thor, Surfer and Hulk with ease... People who have lifting feats... It's meant to say.. Thanos is pretty damn stronger... Just because Superman bench press earth and thanos has no such lifting feats (being a bad guy) doesn't make superman stronger. That is the whole point I'm making here. LOB seems to believe Superman is stronger than Thanos and I strongly disagree with such a notion. IF he was that much stronger he wouldn't have a storied history of being Feeb'd while Thanos rarely ever gets Feeb'd.