Thanos vs Supermans

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi

1. Almost EVERY single appearance of Grundy shows him feebing superman. Often times he feebs him while the JLA are even helping him. Stop trying to act like you need specific issue numbers. This is routine for Grundy to toss around superman.

Now I'm waiting for the times Thanos has been physically feeb'd throughout a fight... Ready, set, go

By a weakened Morg. By your standards that is.

Why don't you post all these awesome Thanos feats and see if we can match the by Superman feats.

Or even now you can't post a scan? Even now you only go by lowest showings.

What a surprise.

Originally posted by ghostman
lol so no feats? gotcha

Like I said before, Marvel doesn't have Thanos going around benching or lifting weights with numbers associated with them because they don't need to. The writers leave it up to the readers to understand how powerful he is by the way he casually disposes of herald type characters. Maybe its to hard for you to comprehend.

Originally posted by abhilegend
The last and only time Superman fought Grundy post crisis, he killed him with one hit.

How odd. Last time doomsday fought Superman, he got ripped in half.

He beat Darkseid's eyeballs shut. Just like he would do to Thanos if they ever fight in a comic.

Skyfather level. Gods of olympus ran away from him.
Surprised. After that Superman was straight up beating him.
Oneshotted him.
😂

By a weakened Morg. By your standards that is.

Why don't you post all these awesome Thanos feats and see if we can match the by Superman feats.

Or even now you can't post a scan? Even now you only go by lowest showings.

What a surprise.

Wut???

Only their last appearances are the only ones that count there kiddo. Not sure why you think that. I'm referencing the times Superman has been Feeb'd... Which is been multiple times by Grundy. You not liking that it has happened and only wanting to reference only the very latest showing is comical

Lowest showings... that is EXACTLY what you do to Surfer when discussing him or Thor. You're one of the biggest hypocrites I've ever seen. The only thing that can compare to your hypocrisy is your lack of context when understanding a scan. Do you concede that Superman has more of a storied history of being Feeb'd than thanos? Simple question

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Wut???

Only their last appearances are the only ones that count there kiddo. Not sure why you think that. I'm referencing the times Superman has been Feeb'd... Which is been multiple times by Grundy. You not liking that it has happened and only wanting to reference only the very latest showing is comical

Lowest showings... that is EXACTLY what you do to Surfer when discussing him or Thor. You're one of the biggest hypocrites I've ever seen. The only thing that can compare to your hypocrisy is your lack of context when understanding a scan. Do you concede that Superman has more of a storied history of being Feeb'd than thanos? Simple question

First we need all the fights of Grundy and Superman. Only after that we can answer such a heavy question.

mmm

Originally posted by Insane Titan
you're the only person with a worse view than h1. Everything you say is pure bullshit

You provide nothing but vitriol and personal insults.

Counter my statements with canon if you are capable of doing so.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
1. This was a waste of space and I'm not sure why you even said it. I SPECIFICALLLY referenced this point in my post you quoted. I said AS LONG AS superman ISN'T mentally weak etc etc it counts. I was very clear. If he's not weakened mentally and physically and realize there is a serious threat that needs to be put down.. and he tries to do so... That is it... that is all that is required for it to be a valid showing.

Nope, that is your criteria and not one that is supported by DC as what is required for a valid showing. That is you trying to be a superman apologist and trying to move the goalposts. I could care less what you consider to be thanos' "mentality", and even less so, you trying to match up what you believe is superman with that mentality. Talk about trying to run around and catch your own tail. Trying to compare something as subjective as that, and pass it off as a fact is downright laughable. Nice try though

Ummm Mangog is a PERFECT example, and exactly why your line of reasoning is terribly faulty. Mangog has no lifting feats to speak of. We don't see him towing earth.. or bench pressing earth or any such space cheese feat you wanna think of. However, his strength is CLEARLY portrayed when he faces Thor or Odin and is able to beat them or manhandle them. He doesn't need feats bench pressing earth. Portrayal is the KEY thing to look at when gauging strength. AGAIN, you avoided the fact that bad guys don't have lifting feats. They are the ones creating the situations that heroes need to lift earth to stop. Do you concede this point?

Just so we are clear what feeb means... we are ONLY talking about somebody getting manhandled... tossed.. slammed... punched or swatted away.. locking up and overpowering somebody. Those are examples of being feeb'd... Now...

1. Almost EVERY single appearance of Grundy shows him feebing superman. Often times he feebs him while the JLA are even helping him. Stop trying to act like you need specific issue numbers. This is routine for Grundy to toss around superman.

2. Same with Grundy, pretty much every version of DD has been shown to feeb superman throughout their fight. Feebing isn't winning the fight right away via toss or slam. It can be. However, if throughout the fight you're getting tossed... slammed.. chocked... overpowered... punched away.. and this is consistent in the fight. You were feeb'd

3. The power of the avatar lol.. More superman apologies coming. You have zero way of proving the power difference between avatars. Shit, you can't even really prove they were. One writer saying they were this doesn't override other writers who didn't write it that way. It was one writers interpretation of superman.. nothing more. Point is, he's been chumped by DS numerous times.. whether an avatar whether this or that. He's been feeb'd

I'll add a few more

Titus
Konvict
Despero
Zod

Now I'm waiting for the times Thanos has been physically feeb'd throughout a fight... Ready, set, go

You seem obsessed to focus on any portrayal, no matter how dubious, to cast Superman in an inferior position.

Context ALWAYS matters.

Superman's canon involving restraint both consciously and subconsciously are particularly relevant. Your assertion that it is "Irrelevant" much less by the writers at DC no less is asinine. They are the ones who intentionally create the instances demonstrating the levels of power at Superman's disposal.

Being "Feebed" when you are not going all out is not a true standard of a character's prowess. When Gamora fought The Mad Titan was that a true display of his power?

Put Superman on Thanos level of ferocity and THEN compare the 2.

Give me the instances in which Superman is dominated under those circumstances.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Scans? Issue numbers? Anything about the fights where Grundy "feebed" Superman post crisis?

First we need all the fights of Grundy and Superman. Only after that we can answer such a heavy question.

mmm

Again, WUT??? Are you claiming only the last fight counts when discussing somebody's history?

I'm not just talking about Grundy feebing him.. I mentioned numerous people that have Feeb'd him. The question is, and it's a simple one, who has been feeb'd more... Thanos or Superman?

Originally posted by LordofBrooklyn
You seem obsessed to focus on any portrayal, no matter how dubious, to cast Superman in an inferior position.

[B]Context ALWAYS matters.

Superman's canon involving restraint both consciously and subconsciously are particularly relevant. Your assertion that it is "Irrelevant" much less by the writers at DC no less is asinine. They are the ones who intentionally create the instances demonstrating the levels of power at Superman's disposal.

Being "Feebed" when you are not going all out is not a true standard of a character's prowess. When Gamora fought The Mad Titan was that a true display of his power?

Put Superman on Thanos level of ferocity and THEN compare the 2.

Give me the instances in which Superman is dominated under those circumstances. [/B]

No, you're cherry picking which writers you want to use that portray superman in the light you want him to be. IT DOESN'T work that way. All writers are just as valid as any other writer. One isn't more valuable or writers more canon than others. If a writers has superman use his conscious or unconscious play a role in his power cool.. those are valid. If a writer doesn't write him that way.. then we can logically assume.. as long as he's not weakened either mentally or physically... knows of a threat and wants to put it down ie. trying... It counts in such a way. Each writer is responsible for canon.. not just the ones you deem appropriate. nice try though bud, but that point has been shot down

Next, and again I don't care about what you perceive Thanos' mentality and even further don't care if you try and figure out what that is and then figure out a comparable mindset for superman. That is all subjective on your part and not factual. Again, doesn't fly.

I'm not answering any more questions till you address mine

1. Is it not true and bad guys generally won't have lifting feats the same ways heroes do?

2. Is it not true that superman has gotten feeb'd more times than Thanos' has ?

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
No, you're cherry picking which writers you want to use that portray superman in the light you want him to be. IT DOESN'T work that way. All writers are just as valid as any other writer. One isn't more valuable or writers more canon than others. If a writers has superman use his conscious or unconscious play a role in his power cool.. those are valid. If a writer doesn't write him that way.. then we can logically assume.. as long as he's not weakened either mentally or physically... knows of a threat and wants to put it down ie. trying... It counts in such a way. Each writer is responsible for canon.. not just the ones you deem appropriate. nice try though bud, but that point has been shot down

Next, and again I don't care about what you perceive Thanos' mentality and even further don't care if you try and figure out what that is and then figure out a comparable mindset for superman. That is all subjective on your part and not factual. Again, doesn't fly.

I'm not answering any more questions till you address mine

1. Is it not true and bad guys generally won't have lifting feats the same ways heroes do?

2. Is it not true that superman has gotten feeb'd more times than Thanos' has ?

In the interest of seeing where this goes I will answer.

1. Yes, for the most part villains won't have lifting feats in proportion to heroes.

2. Superman when going all out has not gotten "Feeb'd" more times than Thanos has.

With that said, answer the questions I've already posted.

Originally posted by LordofBrooklyn
You provide nothing but vitriol and personal insults.

Counter my statements with canon if you are capable of doing so.

Like I do every time yet you still continue to say you won lol, like this so called Sentry thread you banged on about. Yet when someone actually found the thread you ran from it AGAIN.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Again, WUT??? Are you claiming only the last fight counts when discussing somebody's history?

I'm not just talking about Grundy feebing him.. I mentioned numerous people that have Feeb'd him. The question is, and it's a simple one, who has been feeb'd more... Thanos or Superman?

I must investigate this. Unless you lied or are simply talking out of your ass.

Originally posted by LordofBrooklyn
In the interest of seeing where this goes I will answer.

1. Yes, for the most part villains won't have lifting feats in proportion to heroes.

2. Superman when going all out has not gotten "Feeb'd" more times than Thanos has.

With that said, answer the questions I've already posted.

1. If you know this, then why ask for a Thanos' feat comparable to him bench pressing the earth?

2. "Going all out" is subjective and not factual. If superman says I'm going to put this person down... that pretty much means he's going all out. Why would somebody think somebody is a threat... threatening people you love lives... and you go.. they are done. Why would they not try? That makes ZERO logical sense. Your version of him going all out isn't canon to DC. They don't care about your opinion on what going all out means. That doesn't need to be stated in order for him to be going all out. Now, again, who's gotten Feeb'd more.. Superman or Thanos?

Originally posted by abhilegend
No, but all these times of Grundy "feebing" Superman, what are the issue numbers?

I must investigate this. Unless you lied or are simply talking out of your ass.

You're very versed on superman. Even though I think you put on blinders when it comes to him, and misrepresent scans on his behalf.. I will admit that you know your superman more than most on here. I won't argue that point. Which is why I'm confused on why you need to do more research... You know very well that Superman has been tossed around more times than Thanos has... you don't need to investigate that to know it's true Abhi

Originally posted by Adam Grimes
I honestly don't want this to turn into a shit-fest, so try and behave.

^^^ agreed

Originally posted by abhilegend
Do you have a problem with Nix Uotan summoning them because of nothing?

Because this is straight up denying of a feat. The multiverse was on panel pulled in the black hole and until Superman activated miracle machine, nobody could enter it.

Yes, I'm laughing at your feeble attempts too. For ****'s sake celey, they were summoned by an omnipotent being there. Why do you think he summoned them. Like how a black hole which pulled entire multiverse didn't actually do it because you're butthurt? Sorry pal, nobody gives a shit.
Except green Lanterns who were the only one who encountered the black hole before issue 7.

But yeah ignore all on panel scans and cry more. I expect nothing more from you.

😂

Your claim of straight up denying a feat is only valid if it was actually one. A non-feat doesn't need to be denied. 🙂

Lol.. No one is saying Darkseid's black hole did not pull down the parallel universes. You and your logical fallacies. Like I said. You are attributing the characteristics of a regular black hole to the one in Final Crisis. Actually it's you who are ignoring on panel scans.

Lets look at the facts.

Earth Zero seemed to be in tact as it was being pulled by the black hole from around issue #5 when the GL Corp first mentioned it. It wasn't until around issue 7 that Earth Zero may have sustained damage. In fact multiple earth's weren't obliterated as they were spiraling down this black hole.

The Watchtower survived for quite a while even when being pulled by Darkseid's black hole. A normal black hole would have ripped that thing apart long before it even fell into the abyss.

In the very end we see the GL corps who may have used the monitor ships to reach the abyss "no selling" this "multiversal" black hole. The Supermen of the multiverse seem as if there is no overwhelming "multiversal" gravity acting upon them. We see the Pax Dei angels, the Super Young Team, and the Zoo Crew having no ill effects from this "multiversal" +++ black hole. We even see Ultraman and a barely conscious Kara "no sell" omgwtfzorz "multiversal" +++ black hole.

Lastly there's not even a single mention of unbearable "multiversal" black hole +++ pressures these guys would have to endure.

I swear this is one of the most horrendous interpretations of a comic I've ever seen. Words can't describe it.

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Nix Uotan summoning them does not suddenly negate your supposed "multiversal" black hole+++ pressures that they should be enduring.

😂

Your claim of straight up denying a feat is only valid if it was actually one. A non-feat doesn't need to be denied. 🙂

Lol.. No one is saying Darkseid's black hole did not pull down the parallel universes. You and your logical fallacies. Like I said. You are attributing the characteristics of a regular black hole to the one in Final Crisis. Actually it's you who are ignoring on panel scans.

Lets look at the facts.

Earth Zero seemed to be in tact as it was being pulled by the black hole from around issue #5 when the GL Corp first mentioned it. It wasn't until around issue 7 that Earth Zero may have sustained damage. In fact multiple earth's weren't obliterated as they were spiraling down this black hole.

The Watchtower survived for quite a while even when being pulled by Darkseid's black hole. A normal black hole would have ripped that thing apart long before it even fell into the abyss.

In the very end we see the GL corps who may have used the monitor ships to reach the abyss "no selling" this "multiversal" black hole. The Supermen of the multiverse seem as if there is no overwhelming "multiversal" gravity acting upon them. We see the Pax Dei angels, the Super Young Team, and the Zoo Crew having no ill effects from this "multiversal" +++ black hole. We even see Ultraman and a barely conscious Kara "no sell" omgwtfzorz "multiversal" +++ black hole.

Lastly there's not even a single mention of unbearable "multiversal" black hole +++ pressures these guys would have to endure.

I swear this is one of the most horrendous interpretations of a comic I've ever seen. Words can't describe it.

Originally posted by Genii96
Again with this slow motion nonsense. Surfer dosent see him in slow motion,gladiaror dosent see him in slow motion,superman won't. Superman is not stronger either. Nor can he knock out thanos who is capable of taking shots from odin,without even using shields. Thanos shits on supes the sane way he does surfer and glads. Supes gets tagged everyday,so cut the slow motion crap. Thanos has reacted to attacks from cosmic levels,let alone superman. This not even countin his other 'tricks'

Surfer doesn't see Thanos in slow motion cause he wasn't written to.
Surfer has shown nanosecond reaction times. That implies he can see light move very slowly. If he can see light move slowly and yet can't see Thanos move in slow motion then Thanos must move faster than the speed of light. But this is a contradiction since Thanos doesn't move anywhere near the speed of light. Therefore Surfer wasn't written with his nanosecond perceptions when he fought Thanos.

Can Superman see bullets in slow motion? Yes he can. Can Thanos move faster than a bullet? Most would say no he because isn't a speedster. Gamora, Spider-man, Wolverine, are all faster than Thanos. This is proven through direct confrontation. So if Gamora is faster than Thanos, is Gamora faster than light too? See, we reach a shitload of contradictions.

Originally posted by h1a8
Surfer doesn't see Thanos in slow motion cause he wasn't written to.
Surfer has shown nanosecond reaction times. That implies he can see light move very slowly. If he can see light move slowly and yet can't see Thanos move in slow motion then Thanos must move faster than the speed of light. But this is a contradiction since Thanos doesn't move anywhere near the speed of light. Therefore Surfer wasn't written with his nanosecond perceptions when he fought Thanos.

Can Superman see bullets in slow motion? Yes he can. Can Thanos move faster than a bullet? Most would say no he because isn't a speedster. Gamora, Spider-man, Wolverine, are all faster than Thanos. This is proven through direct confrontation. So if Gamora is faster than Thanos, is Gamora faster than light too? See, we reach a shitload of contradictions.

Spiderman can see bullets in slow mo, is he also too fast for Thanos?

Um spiderman is a precog not a speedster