Originally posted by h1a8
He is when he's a different Magus with a different power source. We judge different versions of characters by feats. Different versions doesn't get each other's feats. So either that version of Magus was weak as shit (because Surfer didn't get disintegrated) or LM was in control of his power source and plot beat him. I go with the former.No! He was trying to kill them since he tried to kill them with the prepped spell bomb. He wanted them dead. There is no where in the panel to suggest he didn't want them dead and was merely toying with them. You are making stuff up again.
If you actually READ the comic then you get a sense that at least a couple of minutes past due to them gathering themselves and invoking in conversation. The writer is giving the feel of a few minutes.
Disintegrating a weak being is not powerful. Or manipulating the exact power source that makes a character is not being powerful. LM didn't disintegrate Surfer or anyone else.
Why wait several minutes to set up a bomb? Why not do it immediately? LM obviously wanted them dead.
It makes far more sense that he prepped the spell than he didn't. I'll prove it: Let's look at both cases.
Assume he didn't prep the spell and it was instant power from him.
We would then get HUGE contradictions in power level throughout the series.
We also wouldn't understand why LM waited minutes to bomb the annihilation team instead of doing it instantly.Now assume that he prepped the bomb.
This explains the different power level he was at during the series.
This explains the time elaspe.
We get no contradictions or things that need to be answered.It only takes a milisecond to teleport them out. Why wait minutes afterwards though? Why not just come back and disintegrate each one with a blast from his hand like he did Magus?
Yup, it's confirmed. You are color blind. All colors that have red in them are exactly the same to you. But let's assume the color is the same.
I'll prove that the scene doesn't prove LM blasted Thanos with any energy.1. If you look at the background planet, it matches the exact color under the rocks at different parts of the planet. The point where you put an arrow (saying "what is this"😉, look a little below that point. You will see the exact color as the color under the rocks from the ground. Imagine the rocks from the horizon disappeared or vanished and all that was left behind was the background planet. You would see that it appears exactly the same color as the planet itself. Meaning, that color is from the planet itself.
2. But where you are most wrong is that you are posting the wrong scans. You conveniently left out the actual scans where LM is blasting with his energy. Post the scans of LM actually blasting other characters. Look at the color of the energy. You claimed that LM blasted Thanos with energy right? Look at the Nova fight. You see his energy all around Nova with the same rocks cracking up. Yet absolutely nothing is happening to Nova. Energy that is around him isn't offensive energy. It's when he blasts, which is a totally different color.
So basically, you were equating LM's bomb feat with Thanos tanking the same level of energy. Or You were also assuming that Thanos tanked the same blasts that disintegrated Magus which were of totally different color.
You know it's trolling to blatantly lie and flame and make it look like I'm trolling when I'm not. I never denied Magus was disintegrated. I said he was far weaker than the other characters that LM blasted.
Are you confusing "evidence" with "proof"? We provide 'evidence'. If the evidence is strong enough then it becomes proof. But evidence is the only thing required. With that said,
you lie and say I presented no proof (or evidence). The proof is that when he blasted a KNOWN being (Surfer) with KNOWN durability. We know what level a character is at, by comparing them to known characters. That's called proof.
Then you lie and claimed I provided zero evidence that LM prepped the spell. The evidence lies in the long wait period and the discrepancy of power level throughout the series.
Not impressive is an opinionated expression. I am neither right or wrong for using such words. His display against Nova was weak to me, same with Surfer. Surfer wasn't even trying to fight him. He was trying to grab his clothes and talk to him. That's not Surfer fighting to his best abilities. What's impressive about getting cheapshotted or blasted when you are not trying to fight? Superman (letting loose) could have one shot killed Nova with ease.
All you've done here is prove you literally have no clue what you're talking about. Magus is now a weak character LMAO. He'd shit all over Superman. Pretty weak eh? Magus is a TRANS tier character... somebody the board considers above Superman. So how is ONE SHOT KILLING him a weak display? Sometimes you say the dumbest things I've read on this site... that is saying a lot considering the buffoonery we've seen come and go around here.
Originally posted by KuRuPT ThanosiThen why didn't Surfer get disintegrated by the same blast? Different character versions don't share the same feats, especially when their power source is different. That means this Magus is allowed to be much weaker than his past self without contradiction.
All you've done here is prove you literally have no clue what you're talking about. Magus is now a weak character LMAO. He'd shit all over Superman. Pretty weak eh? Magus is a TRANS tier character... somebody the board considers above Superman. So how is ONE SHOT KILLING him a weak display? Sometimes you say the dumbest things I've read on this site... that is saying a lot considering the buffoonery we've seen come and go around here.
Prove that original Magus is above Superman. Prove that he is even above full capacity Surfer.
Originally posted by zopzopThen you haven't been reading at all. Everything I stated came from the panel. LM killed Magus either directly or indirectly. But Surfer didn't die from the same attack. What does that tell you? Also Characters from the cancer universe were weaker than their 616 counterparts. Magus was powered by energy deriving from Cancer universe.
Bro, H1 is...............touched. He's debating characters not by on panel showings but by scenarios he's making up in his head.He's cool and all but he's 'special'.
Originally posted by h1a8
Then why didn't Surfer get disintegrated by the same blast? Different character versions don't share the same feats, especially when their power source is different. That means this Magus is allowed to be much weaker than his past self without contradiction.Prove that original Magus is above Superman. Prove that he is even above full capacity Surfer.
All you're doing is proving you have NO clue what you're talking about. YES they DO share the same feats you buffoon. You don't get to arbitrarily say oh those feats do apply to Magus but these don't. Doesn't work that way. He's magus.. PERIOD. Just like superman is superman. Unless it's an alternate time line or universe... depowered... gain powers by a powerup... THEN HE'S THE SAME CHARACTER. Magus is the same character. Surfer LOL... Surfer was nothing to Magus... He portrayed as Thanos level or maybe even slightly above. He'd easily pop all over surfer.. Surfer was a non issue when Magus was around. All you keep doing is showing you don't have a clue what you're talking about. Marvell one shot killing Magus is above anybody Superman has ever one shot killed.
Originally posted by h1a8
Then you haven't been reading at all. Everything I stated came from the panel. LM killed Magus either directly or indirectly. But Surfer didn't die from the same attack. What does that tell you? Also Characters from the cancer universe were weaker than their 616 counterparts. Magus was powered by energy deriving from Cancer universe.
Everything I said is fact and is from on panel showings.
Same attack??? Prove it was the same attack with the same level of power
Originally posted by h1a8
Then you haven't been reading at all. Everything I stated came from the panel. LM killed Magus either directly or indirectly. But Surfer didn't die from the same attack. What does that tell you? Also Characters from the cancer universe were weaker than their 616 counterparts. Magus was powered by energy deriving from Cancer universe.
Everything I said is fact and is from on panel showings.
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You can't possibly be offering this bullshit to people.
Originally posted by h1a8
He is when he's a different Magus with a different power source. We judge different versions of characters by feats. Different versions doesn't get each other's feats. So either that version of Magus was weak as shit (because Surfer didn't get disintegrated) or LM was in control of his power source and plot beat him.
Prove that this Magus is weak to energy blast.
Prove that Magus was being powered by Lord Mar-Vell.
Prove that this version of Magus was weaker than Surfer.
Every time I ask for proof, you toss out more unproven claims. They're starting to pile up now.
No! He was trying to kill them since he tried to kill them with the prepped spell bomb. He wanted them dead. There is no where in the panel to suggest he didn't want them dead and was merely toying with them. You are making stuff up again.
And stop saying the spell was prepped. Don't claim things you haven't proven.
If you actually READ the comic then you get a sense that at least a couple of minutes past due to them gathering themselves and invoking in conversation. The writer is giving the feel of a few minutes.
And like I said, even if a few minutes passed by, that doesn't prove Mar-Vell used it to prep a spell when he was off-panel. This is just an assumption on your part.
Disintegrating a weak being is not powerful. Or manipulating the exact power source that makes a character is not being powerful. LM didn't disintegrate Surfer or anyone else.
Why wait several minutes to set up a bomb? Why not do it immediately? LM obviously wanted them dead.It makes far more sense that he prepped the spell than he didn't. I'll prove it: Let's look at both cases.
And Mar-Vell used that spell immediately after he left. He didn't use it earlier because his Revengers were present. Obviously Mar-Vell doesn't want to kill his own team. He waited until after he transported them out before using the spell against the Annihilators.
Assume he didn't prep the spell and it was instant power from him.
We would then get HUGE contradictions in power level throughout the series.
We also wouldn't understand why LM waited minutes to bomb the annihilation team instead of doing it instantly.
Because he had to get his Revengers team out first? He used the spell immediately after leaving with his Revengers.
Now assume that he prepped the bomb.
This explains the different power level he was at during the series.
This explains the time elaspe.
We get no contradictions or things that need to be answered.
You can't assume Mar-Vell used prep for that spell without providing a shred of evidence.
It only takes a milisecond to teleport them out. Why wait minutes afterwards though? Why not just come back and disintegrate each one with a blast from his hand like he did Magus?
Yup, it's confirmed. You are color blind. All colors that have red in them are exactly the same to you. But let's assume the color is the same.
I'll prove that the scene doesn't prove LM blasted Thanos with any energy.
I gave you 5 examples that show Mar-Vell's reddish energy, matching the energy explosion when he and Thanos clashed.
Yet you still deny they're the same.
1. If you look at the background planet, it matches the exact color under the rocks at different parts of the planet. The point where you put an arrow (saying "what is this"😉, look a little below that point. You will see the exact color as the color under the rocks from the ground. Imagine the rocks from the horizon disappeared or vanished and all that was left behind was the background planet. You would see that it appears exactly the same color as the planet itself. Meaning, that color is from the planet itself.
2. But where you are most wrong is that you are posting the wrong scans. You conveniently left out the actual scans where LM is blasting with his energy. Post the scans of LM actually blasting other characters. Look at the color of the energy. You claimed that LM blasted Thanos with energy right? Look at the Nova fight. You see his energy all around Nova with the same rocks cracking up. Yet absolutely nothing is happening to Nova. Energy that is around him isn't offensive energy. It's when he blasts, which is a totally different color.
I've posted almost every instance of Mar-Vell using his reddish energy in Thanos Imperative, and it's still not enough for you. 😂
So basically, you were equating LM's bomb feat with Thanos tanking the same level of energy. Or You were also assuming that Thanos tanked the same blasts that disintegrated Magus which were of totally different color.
You realize Thanos Imperative Ignition (where Mar-Vell kills Magus) and Thanos Imperative #1-6 (where Mar-Vell fights Thanos) have different artist? Of course the blast would look different. In Ignition his blast was white, whereas in Imperative Mar-Vell's energy was consistently reddish, as depicted in the FIVE examples I gave.
You know it's trolling to blatantly lie and flame and make it look like I'm trolling when I'm not. I never denied Magus was disintegrated. I said he was far weaker than the other characters that LM blasted.Are you confusing "evidence" with "proof"? We provide 'evidence'. If the evidence is strong enough then it becomes proof. But evidence is the only thing required. With that said,
you lie and say I presented no proof (or evidence). The proof is that when he blasted a KNOWN being (Surfer) with KNOWN durability. We know what level a character is at, by comparing them to known characters. That's called proof.
Then you lie and claimed I provided zero evidence that LM prepped the spell. The evidence lies in the long wait period and the discrepancy of power level throughout the series.
Not impressive is an opinionated expression. I am neither right or wrong for using such words. His display against Nova was weak to me, same with Surfer. Surfer wasn't even trying to fight him. He was trying to grab his clothes and talk to him. That's not Surfer fighting to his best abilities. What's impressive about getting cheapshotted or blasted when you are not trying to fight? Superman (letting loose) could have one shot killed Nova with ease. [/B]
Proof and evidence are synonymous. Not sure why you're arguing trivial semantics. If it helps, you haven't provided either in your posts. In fact, you answer my demands for proof with more unproven claims.
Your ABC logic with Surfer and Magus isn't proof of anything, especially given that Mar-Vell was toying Surfer and Nova, and later nearly killed all the Annihilators with one spell. This level of power is consistent with him killing Magus with a blast. So no, you haven't provided any proof, you've only provided faulty ABC logic.
First you said a "few minutes" now you're saying "several minutes?" How about you stick with a consistent time frame. Regardless, "minutes" passing by isn't evidence that Mar-Vell prepped his spell; that's called an assumption. You are assuming Mar-Vell was prepping the spell while he was off-panel. You have zero narration or art depicting Mar-Vell prepping for a spell. So no, you haven't provided any actual evidence of him prepping. You've only provided your assumption, based on a subjective time-frame which you can't even decide the length of.
So you're doubling down on your claim that Superman could easily tool Nova Prime Surfer. In fact, now you're claiming Superman can one-shot kill Nova prime? This is why people think you're a troll.
Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
😆You can't possibly be offering this bullshit to people.
The prove why is it BS. Debate for once and stop trolling.
Originally posted by KuRuPT ThanosiSame blast from hand with intent on killing.
Same attack??? Prove it was the same attack with the same level of power
Originally posted by KuRuPT ThanosiIt was a mod ruling that different versions of a character don't get each other's feats. For example, Superman doesn't get Superman blue's feats.
All you're doing is proving you have NO clue what you're talking about. YES they DO share the same feats you buffoon. You don't get to arbitrarily say oh those feats do apply to Magus but these don't. Doesn't work that way. He's magus.. PERIOD. Just like superman is superman. Unless it's an alternate time line or universe... depowered... gain powers by a powerup... THEN HE'S THE SAME CHARACTER. Magus is the same character. Surfer LOL... Surfer was nothing to Magus... He portrayed as Thanos level or maybe even slightly above. He'd easily pop all over surfer.. Surfer was a non issue when Magus was around. All you keep doing is showing you don't have a clue what you're talking about. Marvell one shot killing Magus is above anybody Superman has ever one shot killed.
Originally posted by h1a8
The prove why is it BS. Debate for once and stop trolling.Same blast from hand with intent on killing.
It was a mod ruling that different versions of a character don't get each other's feats. For example, Superman doesn't get Superman blue's feats.
The reason why this Magus doesn't get other Magus feats is because they have totally different power sources. With different power sources there can be different powers and different levels of power.
You keep saying this... WHAT DIFFERENT POWER SOURCE?
Blue superman has totally different powers, not the same thing at all.
Originally posted by One-Punch
Here you go again, tossing out unsubstantiated claims without providing a single shred of evidence.Prove that this Magus is weak to energy blast.
Prove that Magus was being powered by Lord Mar-Vell.
Prove that this version of Magus was weaker than Surfer.Every time I ask for proof, you toss out more unproven claims. They're starting to pile up now.
Magus is weak because the same attack failed to kill Surfer.
The exact energies were coming from Magus (same color). Remember that was your evidence that LM blasted Thanos (the color right?).
You can tell he was toying with them because he beat Nova Prime and Surfer with very little effort, while openly mocking them. He was also searching for the Avatar of Death (i.e., Thanos), and when he found him, that's when Mar-Vell decided to kill them with his spell after he left.
And stop saying the spell was prepped. Don't claim things you haven't proven.
It doesn't take a few minutes for people to exchange a few sentences. If you actually READ the comic, you would've seen Quasar saying Mar-Vell didn't give them "a nano-second's grace" to brace for the spell.
And like I said, even if a few minutes passed by, that doesn't prove Mar-Vell used it to prep a spell when he was off-panel. This is just an assumption on your part.
Again, you're repeating unproven claims. You haven't proven Magus is weak, and you haven't proven Lord Mar-Vell was powering Magus. You basically pulled those claims out of your arse without backing them up.
Just because you think a few minutes passed, doesn't give you the right to [b]assume
Mar-Vell was prepping for the spell. You have to show proof of him doing so.[/B]
In the meantime, I'll drop the issue of that feat since it's not sufficient to proving he can use it in real battle time. And if he could, then he would be damage himself (making it unpractical).
And Mar-Vell used that spell immediately after he left. He didn't use it earlier because his Revengers were present. Obviously Mar-Vell doesn't want to kill his own team. He waited until after he transported them out before using the spell against the Annihilators.
There's no contradictions in power levels at all. Do you really expect villains (or any other characters) to go full power in every fight?
Because he had to get his Revengers team out first? He used the spell immediately after leaving with his Revengers.
Firstly, the only contradiction in power is in your head. If Mar-Vell wanted to Annihilators dead he could've killed them as easily as he killed Magus. But like I said, his main goal wasn't trying to kill them, he was looking for the Avatar of death. Once he found that out, he used that spell that nearly killed the Annihilators.
You can't assume Mar-Vell used prep for that spell without providing a shred of evidence.
You realize Mar-Vell and his Revengers were traveling from the 616 universe the Cancerverse right? You think that only takes a milisecond?
The color is kinda different than LM's outside energy.You're the one who's blind.
I gave you [b]5 examples
that show Mar-Vell's reddish energy, matching the energy explosion when he and Thanos clashed.Yet you still deny they're the same.[/B]
The planet they were on was dark grey. The rocks were reddish from the red energy explosion causing the crater...
All the examples I posted were of Mar-Vell using his energy. In some of them, we have Nova using his energy too for comparison (e.g., Nova's was yellow and Mar-Vell's was reddish).
I've posted almost every instance of Mar-Vell using his reddish energy in Thanos Imperative, and it's still not enough for you. 😂
I'm not equating anything. I'm just saying Mar-Vell did use energy against Thanos in their initial clash.
You realize Thanos Imperative Ignition (where Mar-Vell kills Magus) and Thanos Imperative #1-6 (where Mar-Vell fights Thanos) have different artist? Of course the blast would look different. In Ignition his blast was white, whereas in Imperative Mar-Vell's energy was consistently reddish, as depicted in the FIVE examples I gave.
Mar-vell never blasted with reddish energy. His reddish energy was never used offensively at all. He hit nova with a reddish shield (physical attack). He had reddish energy flowing around him but that doesn't mean he's using it offensively. To assume reddish energy as automatic Thanos getting hit with blasts is asinine.
few minutes and several have the same meaning. There were things that happen in the panel that were off panel events. Like picking up the fallen. That took time. Engaging in conversation took time. Nanosecond is hyperbole and is not meant literally. Hell, 10 min could be called a nanosecond if I expected a longer time.I'm not the one making you look like a troll, you're doing it to yourself. All anyone has to do is read your posts.
Proof and evidence are synonymous. Not sure why you're arguing trivial semantics. If it helps, you haven't provided either in your posts. In fact, you answer my demands for proof with more unproven claims.
Your ABC logic with Surfer and Magus isn't proof of anything, especially given that Mar-Vell was toying Surfer and Nova, and later nearly killed all the Annihilators with one spell. This level of power is consistent with him killing Magus with a blast. So no, you haven't provided any proof, you've only provided faulty ABC logic.
First you said a "few minutes" now you're saying "several minutes?" How about you stick with a consistent time frame. Regardless, "minutes" passing by isn't evidence that Mar-Vell prepped his spell; that's called an assumption. You are [b]assuming
Mar-Vell was prepping the spell while he was off-panel. You have zero narration or art depicting Mar-Vell prepping for a spell. So no, you haven't provided any actual evidence of him prepping. You've only provided your assumption, based on a subjective time-frame which you can't even decide the length of.So you're doubling down on your claim that Superman could easily tool Nova Prime Surfer. In fact, now you're claiming Superman can one-shot kill Nova prime? This is why people think you're a troll. [/B]
Way to take my words out of context. I said if Superman let loose then he could one shot kill Nova. Just like he one shot kill trans level beings and exerted forces above 50 Earth weights multiple times.