Thanos vs Supermans

Thanos also beat moondragon in a tp battle....

Originally posted by h1a8
You are still lying? I have provided evidence. Just because you don't accept it doesn't mean I didn't.

Magus is weak because the same attack failed to kill Surfer.
The exact energies were coming from Magus (same color). Remember that was your evidence that LM blasted Thanos (the color right?).

Your "evidence" that Magus was being powered by Lord Mar-Vell is them sharing the same reddish energy. Not only is that an association fallacy, the fact that different artists and colorists were used for Ignition (where Magus appeared) and Imperative (where Mar-Vell mostly appeared) throws that horrible line of reasoning into the trash, where it belongs.

So the sum of your "evidence" amounts to: faulty ABC logic, unproven assumptions, and logical fallacies.

He disintegrated Magus with the same effort as he blasted Surfer with.
He punched Nova with full strength. In comics, we assume that a character is going all out (applying full power) unless stated otherwise.

If you disagree then you are simply making stuff up which is trolling.
The writer in no way was telling the reader that Lord Marvel was only using a small part of his power. If he's so powerful he could just killed them like he did Magus. Right?

We know Mar-Vell was toying with Nova and Surfer based on how casually he was beating them, and based on his dialogue where he was mocking them (e.g., he took out Surfer with a casual blast while making a joke). We know he had to power to kill them because right after he left for the Cancerverse, he used a spell that almost wiped out all the Annihilators.

It's more than that. It's the time factor of him doing the feat and the discrepancy of power showings later in the comic. At the very least, it cannot be proven if he didn't prep the spell.

Prep implies at least a few seconds. We know his power is magic based, where he employ's spells.

But my evidence is far stronger than your evidence of LM blasting Thanos with energy when you are basing this solely off color under the rocks. At the very least the feat isn't admissible as proof of what he can do in a fight since we do not know how long it would take to achieve the feat. Hell he might blow himself up doing it.

My evidence shows on-panel art depicting a huge energy explosion when Thanos and Mar-Vell clashed, which matched the five examples I gave of Mar-Vell using energy.

So, it's my on panel-evidence with 5 examples versus your logical fallacy. Which do you think is stronger?

In the meantime, I'll drop the issue of that feat since it's not sufficient to proving he can use it in real battle time. And if he could, then he would be damage himself (making it unpractical).

Good to know.

You are repeating yourself. Didn't you state this at first? I argued that it still took minutes after he left. Doesn't matter as I dropped it since it doesn't add anything to his blasting power.

I've always been consistent with the time-frame; Mar-Vell used the spell immediately after left.

Teleportation is instantaneous.
The color is kinda different than LM's outside energy.
Yet the color of LM blasts are totally different. His reddish energy was never used as blasting. Also, the background planet was the same color as the color under the rocks. So it could have just been the planet in the background.

No! The planet in the sky that's in the background. Not the planet they were on.

The background planet was dark grey and filled with dark mist.

Here is right before Mar-Vell and Thanos clash. Notice the background is greyish.
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-3Wa6tbiHkrk/Uc1EYVWHrUI/AAAAAAAAQz4/UPwzJF9GHiw/s726/thanos+imperative+issue+5+001.jpg

Here is when Mar-Vell and Thanos clash, we see a large reddish energy explosion. The crater rocks near the explosion are red, while the rocks further away are grey.
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/7/75497/1972351-ti_22.jpg

Here is when all the fighting is over. The planet's rocks are grey, and the planet's background is greyish:
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-WMCLWtQiewQ/Uc1EaVfBWmI/AAAAAAAAQ0A/f8L58shV41s/s693/thanos+imperative+issue+5+003.jpg

So the background planet wasn't reddish as you claimed. The above evidence should put the final nail on the coffin.

But the color isn't the same as his blasts. If LM used energy on Thanos then it would be in the form of blasts right?

Wrong! The same color was used against Surfer. The blasts were exactly the same color.

Mar-vell never blasted with reddish energy. His reddish energy was never used offensively at all. He hit nova with a reddish shield (physical attack). He had reddish energy flowing around him but that doesn't mean he's using it offensively. To assume reddish energy as automatic Thanos getting hit with blasts is asinine.

BTW I've provided 5 examples and you've provided none. The only thing you could think of was to claim the planet's background was reddish, which was proven wrong in my above scans.

few minutes and several have the same meaning. There were things that happen in the panel that were off panel events. Like picking up the fallen. That took time. Engaging in conversation took time. Nanosecond is hyperbole and is not meant literally. Hell, 10 min could be called a nanosecond if I expected a longer time.

What's worse is you're trying to use this subjective time-frame to bolster your negative proof fallacy e.g., minutes passed by and you can't prove Mar-Vell wasn't prepping, therefore we should assume he was prepping while off-panel.

I don't consider negative proof fallacies backed by subjective inconsistent time-frames as evidence.

Way to take my words out of context. I said if Superman let loose then he could one shot kill Nova. Just like he one shot kill trans level beings and exerted forces above 50 Earth weights multiple times.

Why don't you make a versus thread to discuss whether Superman can one-shot kill a full-powered Nova Prime and see how that turns out?

Originally posted by h1a8
The prove why is it BS. Debate for once and stop trolling.

Same blast from hand with intent on killing.

It was a mod ruling that different versions of a character don't get each other's feats. For example, Superman doesn't get Superman blue's feats.
The reason why this Magus doesn't get other Magus feats is because they have totally different power sources. With different power sources there can be different powers and different levels of power.

WUT??? You can't be this stupid.. How you even in your life watch a combat sport like Boxing or MMA fighting? If you did, you'd realize a punch can look Exactly the same but have varying levels of power upon impact. Not all punches are the same because they look the same you buffoon. Just like not all blasts are he same because they have the same color.

You have YET to provide evidence that:

1. The blast was the same level of power
2. Mar-vell was powering Magus
3. Magus is weak and different
4. The spell was prep

These are just off the top of my head, I'm sure you've made more unsubstantiated claims

Originally posted by One-Punch
You haven't provided evidence at all. The only thing you've provided is faulty ABC Logic (e.g., your Magus and Surfer comparison) and unproven assumptions (e.g., your claim Magus was powered by Lord Mar-Vell).

Your "evidence" that Magus was being powered by Lord Mar-Vell is them sharing the same reddish energy. Not only is that an [b]association fallacy, the fact that different artists and colorists were used for Ignition (where Magus appeared) and Imperative (where Mar-Vell mostly appeared) throws that horrible line of reasoning into the trash, where it belongs.

So the sum of your "evidence" amounts to: faulty ABC logic, unproven assumptions, and logical fallacies.

No, we don't assume characters are always going all out. Why the hell would you assume that? Again, instead of providing actual evidence, you're tossing in your own assumptions, which don't even make sense.

We know Mar-Vell was toying with Nova and Surfer based on how casually he was beating them, and based on his dialogue where he was mocking them (e.g., he took out Surfer with a casual blast while making a joke). We know he had to power to kill them because right after he left for the Cancerverse, he used a spell that almost wiped out all the Annihilators.

So your logic is: you can't prove Mar-Vell wasn't prepping for the spell, therefore we must assume he was prepping while off-panel. Are you seriously trying to use negative proof fallacy as evidence?

Your "evidence" isn't even evidence; all you've provided is a negative proof fallacy (e.g., you can't prove he wasn't prepping! therefore he must be prepping!).

My evidence shows on-panel art depicting a huge energy explosion when Thanos and Mar-Vell clashed, which matched the five examples I gave of Mar-Vell using energy.

So, it's my on panel-evidence with 5 examples versus your logical fallacy. Which do you think is stronger?

So in other words, you're going to ignore the mountain of evidence, and retain your ridiculous stance, which is based off of: faulty ABC logic, unproven assumptions, and logical fallacies.

Good to know.

You're the one who keeps changing the time frame. First you said it took minutes, then you said it took several minutes, and just above you said it took seconds. This shows the time frame is subjective, and you can't even settle on a consistent time. Yet you're going to use this to justify your assumption that Mar-Vell was prepping the spell off-panel? That is a terrible line of reasoning.

I've always been consistent with the time-frame; Mar-Vell used the spell immediately after left.

Prove they were teleporting.

The background planet was dark grey and filled with dark mist.

Here is right before Mar-Vell and Thanos clash. Notice the background is greyish.
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-3Wa6tbiHkrk/Uc1EYVWHrUI/AAAAAAAAQz4/UPwzJF9GHiw/s726/thanos+imperative+issue+5+001.jpg

Here is when Mar-Vell and Thanos clash, we see a large reddish energy explosion. The crater rocks near the explosion are red, while the rocks further away are grey.
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/7/75497/1972351-ti_22.jpg

Here is when all the fighting is over. The planet's rocks are grey, and the planet's background is greyish:
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-WMCLWtQiewQ/Uc1EaVfBWmI/AAAAAAAAQ0A/f8L58shV41s/s693/thanos+imperative+issue+5+003.jpg

So the background planet wasn't reddish as you claimed. The above evidence should put the final nail on the coffin.

Actually his blasts with Surfer were also reddish. It was yellowish at the base of the hand, but the actual energy stream that hit Surfer was red.

You mean Mar-Vell using reddish energy to fight and attack Nova and Surfer means he wasn't using it offensively? That makes no sense. Regardless of whether he was using it offensively, almost every instance of Lord Mar-Vell using his energy in any capacity (shields, blasts, spells, even TP) was depicted as reddish energy, with a dash of lightning. And it matches the reddish energy explosion depicted when Thanos and Mar-Vell initially clashed.

BTW I've provided 5 examples and you've provided none. The only thing you could think of was to claim the planet's background was reddish, which was proven wrong in my above scans.

A few minutes and several minutes aren't the same at all. A few minutes denotes 3 minutes, several minutes denotes 7 minutes or more and is more than twice as long. The fact that you can't settle on a time frame shows how subjective it is.

What's worse is you're trying to use this subjective time-frame to bolster your negative proof fallacy e.g., minutes passed by and you can't prove Mar-Vell wasn't prepping, therefore we should assume he was prepping while off-panel.

I don't consider negative proof fallacies backed by subjective inconsistent time-frames as evidence.

I didn't take your words out of context. I pretty much quoted you directly. In fact you just repeated yourself, saying Superman could one-shot kill Nova Prime. 😂

Why don't you make a versus thread to discuss whether Superman can one-shot kill a full-powered Nova Prime and see how that turns out? [/B]

For part of your argument I apologize. I now understand what you are talking about now. The big spherical glow (I initially thought was a background neighbor planet in the sky) is the actual energy you are talking about. I was looking under the rocks from ground level. It is a different color than Lord Mar-vell's energy though. Not quite the same. But I'll drop that argument in favor of the one where LM didn't use 1 millionth of the power on Thanos as was in that spell.

But before I give my argument. Let me address some things first.

1. All beings from the cancerverse (The Revengers too) had the same reddish energy flowing through them. The writer was making it clear that they were connected someway to LM (or the cancerverse).

2. ABC logic of same type of attack is evidence. It tells us the level of power of certain characters. If Odin one shots Surfer and barely phases Thanos then that proves Thanos is more powerful than Surfer. Magus got disintegrated and from the same attack Surfer didn't. And there is a magnitude difference of more than a millions times between disintegration and merely koing someone. You are basically claiming that LM used more than millions of times less energy on Surfer than on Magus.

3. In comics, we assume all murderous villain characters are using their full strength and power unless stated otherwise. The nail in the coffin is when you see LM straining with all his might when he hits Nova. You are simply making stuff up. These characters don't exist. There is no such thing as "what was going on in LM's head". LM never existed, he's fictional. All that exists is what was in the writer's head, his intentions.

4. Even if LM had the power to do that spell on the fly then it is irrelevant since he didn't do that spell on Thanos. Thus he didn't use 1/1000000th of the power on Thanos as was in that spell.

5. I never said seconds. You did. I said a few minutes and I said several minutes (which is the same since both can be 2-4 minutes). There were things that happened off panel (picking up the wounded, picking up the shield, Surfer fixing his board, Nova putting his helmet on, Characters flying away, etc). You are just timing the words being said (which is MORE than a minute worth of conversation). Get a stopwatch and read the conversations in real time and then add time for off panel events.

With that said, here is my argument.

Magus is weaker than Surfer by direct comparison. The writer didn't indicate that LM was using astronomically less energy than he did Magus. For Magus, it was just as casual too. If LM did use energy on Thanos (which we can't be 100% sure) then it wasn't even 1/1000000th of the spell blast (that destroyed the entire planet). And energy projection durability I gave Thanos from jump street. My initial argument was solely about physical blunt force and speed.

And please debate nicely. Don't lie and say I provided no evidence. If my evidence is faulty then just say so. Don't lie and say I didn't provide a shred of evidence. As that makes me look like I'm trolling. I acknowledged your evidence and refuted it. I never lied and said that you didn't provide evidence nor did I ignore your evidence (I addressed everything you said). That's why we are debating.

In conclusion,
I'll give Thanos the durability edge against Superman when it comes to energy projection. But Thanos can still be harmed and significantly effected on average by high herald level blunt force. Superman is physically stronger than any being Thanos has being hit physically with, is much faster in combat than Thanos, and has perceptions to view Thanos moving in super slow motion. This alone makes it nearly impossible for Thanos to win against him in a forum fight.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
WUT??? You can't be this stupid.. How you even in your life watch a combat sport like Boxing or MMA fighting? If you did, you'd realize a punch can look Exactly the same but have varying levels of power upon impact. Not all punches are the same because they look the same you buffoon. Just like not all blasts are he same because they have the same color.

You have YET to provide evidence that:

1. The blast was the same level of power
2. Mar-vell was powering Magus
3. Magus is weak and different
4. The spell was prep

These are just off the top of my head, I'm sure you've made more unsubstantiated claims

By your logic Odin blasted Thanos with less power than he did Surfer simply because you can't prove he blasted Thanos with the same level of power.
With that said, you are right to a small degree. Every blast isn't the same. But the difference is never astronomical. Disintegration is millions of times more magnitude than merely stunning someone.

All beings under LM had reddish energy flowing through them. This indicates that they are connected to the cancerverse, its masters, or LM himself. The spell could have been prep or probably wasn't. It's moot now since my argument has changed.

Originally posted by h1a8
By your logic Odin blasted Thanos with less power than he did Surfer simply because you can't prove he blasted Thanos with the same level of power.
With that said, you are right to a small degree. Every blast isn't the same. But the difference is never astronomical. Disintegration is millions of times more magnitude than merely stunning someone.

All beings under LM had reddish energy flowing through them. This indicates that they are connected to the cancerverse, its masters, or LM himself. The spell could have been prep or probably wasn't. It's moot now since my argument has changed.

Well I'm glad you can at least admit not all blasts are the same nor are they delivered with the same intensity. Sometimes people go all out... sometimes they mess around... sometimes they raise the bar as they go. There is no telling. What is clear though, is that him doing something to one character doesn't contradict him doing something to another just because they were more impactful in one situation than the other. There could be logical and reasonable explanations for that.

It wasn't prep, you can't prove that which is why you backed away from it. The point is though, that the blast in question could've killed all of them... That shows the level of power we're dealing with, which is explicitly consistent with him killing Magus in one shot.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Well I'm glad you can at least admit not all blasts are the same nor are they delivered with the same intensity. Sometimes people go all out... sometimes they mess around... sometimes they raise the bar as they go. There is no telling. What is clear though, is that him doing something to one character doesn't contradict him doing something to another just because they were more impactful in one situation than the other. There could be logical and reasonable explanations for that.

It wasn't prep, you can't prove that which is why you backed away from it. The point is though, that the blast in question could've killed all of them... That shows the level of power we're dealing with, which is explicitly consistent with him killing Magus in one shot.

But we must assume that all blasts are nearly the same UNLESS SPECIFIED. Otherwise, we are circumventing the writer's intentions for the story.
No human punches exactly the same everytime. But each punch will be very close in magnitude to any other punch. We know LM was giving near full effort because of him straining when attacking Nova.

Anyway, I dropped the prep argument. I concede. I Champion the argument that LM didn't use the same magnitude on Thanos for obvious reasons. Maybe his normal attacks are no where near that spell in magnitude. LM physicality is a joke compared to Superman. He couldn't even one shot kill a mid Herald. Superman can ONLY IF he is fully letting loose like in OWAW.

Originally posted by h1a8
But we must assume that all blasts are nearly the same UNLESS SPECIFIED. Otherwise, we are circumventing the writer's intentions for the story.
No human punches exactly the same everytime. But each punch will be very close in magnitude to any other punch. We know LM was giving near full effort because of him straining when attacking Nova.

Anyway, I dropped the prep argument. I concede. I Champion the argument that LM didn't use the same magnitude on Thanos for obvious reasons. Maybe his normal attacks are no where near that spell in magnitude. LM physicality is a joke compared to Superman. He couldn't even one shot kill a mid Herald. Superman can ONLY IF he is fully letting loose like in OWAW.

Originally posted by Insane Titan
this just shows how full of crap you are. When Surfer stated he blasted Thanos with all his might you said he never, yet no your stance changes to suit your argument IE Lord Marvell.

Originally posted by h1a8
I never claimed Surfer didn't blast Thanos with all his might. He probably did. I was basically saying that it wasn't Surfer's strongest blasts. After Surfer annihilation upgrade he was able to blast far stronger.

Originally posted by Insane Titan
yes you did, and he had no upgrade as shown when met Thanos in infinity revelations

Annihilation is where Surfer started blasting with planet destroying power. Anyway that's moot since my argument for Surfer against Thanos was black hole blasts and board from behind tricks, not straight blasts.

Superman
Thor
Thanos
Hulk

The four characters with the most rabid fan base
Dont put any of these two in the same thread unless you want an uproar

Originally posted by h1a8
quote me then.
I never said such a thing.
Give date and time of my post too.

Annihilation is where Surfer started blasting with planet destroying power. Anyway that's moot since my argument for Surfer against Thanos was black hole blasts and board from behind tricks, not straight blasts.

Ah you mean a tactic he's used once in his entire history and something that couldn't take down BRB.

Originally posted by Insane Titan
Lol, that old chestnut. You think I'm going to search through hundreds upon hundreds of your troll posts to find just for you to give another excuse 😂.

Ah you mean a tactic he's used once in his entire history and something that couldn't take down BRB.

BRB never entered the event horizon. He merely got pulled from outside the event horizon. Even if he entered the event horizon then it's still not much without touching the actual singularity.

Originally posted by h1a8
Surfer created black holes multiple times. But I'm not saying that he would immediately go for it. Maybe after a long battle he would think of it.

BRB never entered the event horizon. He merely got pulled from outside the event horizon. Even if he entered the event horizon then it's still not much without touching the actual singularity.

I'm talking about a board to the back etc. Bill took said attack and was able to continue fighting. You think that would take down Thanos 😂

Besides surfer wouldn't have time to do any of that shit as he would be beaten to shit by then.

Guys, Surfer and BRB aren't in this thread. I think. 👇

Originally posted by Insane Titan
You mean a few times in his entire and never inside someone.

I'm talking about a board to the back etc. Bill took said attack and was able to continue fighting. You think that would take down Thanos 😂

Besides surfer wouldn't have time to do any of that shit as he would be beaten to shit by then.

Anyway, that's off topic. We can bring that to the correct thread.

With that said, 1 Superman is enough due to both speed and strength. Superman also has the durability to withstand some of Thanos attacks without going down (assuming Thanos hits him).

Originally posted by h1a8
Thanos has always been affected by high Herald blunt force. Many of them would wear him down. One isn't going to ko Thanos unless Surfer hits him at a million c.

Anyway, that's off topic. We can bring that to the correct thread.

With that said, 1 Superman is enough due to both speed and strength. Superman also has the durability to withstand some of Thanos attacks without going down (assuming Thanos hits him).

Originally posted by Insane Titan
"Effect" lol non have been close to beating him by it. Thors lightining amped hammer strike from a great height didn't even "effect" him enough to gain him any advantage and we all know Thor's hammer hits harder than Superman.

Affect is mostly used as a verb and effect as a noun. You are incorrectly using it.

Thor has punched through Galactus skull with Mjlonir. Punched through a Celestial head with Mjlonir. Superman hits harder than Thor without Mjlonir but their strength isn't that far off. With the hammer, Thor most Def hits harder than Superman. Doesn't matter anyways since you don't even know of Superman fts to debate the topic, H1.