Originally posted by h1a8artificial singularity. Thanos never touched the singularity but was caught in the event horizon. I can also argue the same for Superman. He was in a double black hole without any injuries. He held a black hole without any damage.
Thanos was damaged by the artificial black hole.
Yes and this artificial black hole was pulling in everything from within 2 lightyears. We don't normally see such strength in a black hole in fiction, artificial or not.
Originally posted by LordofBrooklyn
Thanos doesn't rely on brute strength to overwhelm opponents. Given this fact why would it be reasonable to presume that he is stronger than Superman without the feats to back it up?If you believe my argument to be false, show me Thanos using strength solely to defeat Superman level characters.
So your asking me to provide a scan of Thanos just physically beating a foe on par of Superman, or are you asking for a scan of Thanos showing superior strength? Two different things completely.
Originally posted by tkitna
So your asking me to provide a scan of Thanos just physically beating a foe on par of Superman, or are you asking for a scan of Thanos showing superior strength? Two different things completely.
Such a loaded question. So if Thanos uses one cosmic energy attack in a given battle, it doesn't count.
Originally posted by tkitnaThanos never physically beat a Superman level character in physicality. Superman is physically superior to any character Thanos has beat physically. .
See, threads like this kill me. The people that keep saying Superman is stronger and posting scans of Superman holding, lifting, or pressing certain weights are laughable. No, people cant post scans of Thanos doing comparable things, because Marvel hasent written Thanos in such situations. All the Thanos supporters have to go off of is how often he beats Superman level characters and that's practically every appearance.Not sure why its so hard to understand for some people.
Originally posted by tkitnaNot only that but he matched then overpowered Annihlus after he stomped the shit out of Gladiator which proves hes several tiers above Superman
See, threads like this kill me. The people that keep saying Superman is stronger and posting scans of Superman holding, lifting, or pressing certain weights are laughable. No, people cant post scans of Thanos doing comparable things, because Marvel hasent written Thanos in such situations. All the Thanos supporters have to go off of is how often he beats Superman level characters and that's practically every appearance.Not sure why its so hard to understand for some people.
Originally posted by Surturall black holes pull everything. The event horizon of a large black hole is less devastating than one of a small black hole. In a large one, a normal ship can survive for awhile. In a small one, things get destroyed instantly.
Yes and this artificial black hole was pulling in everything from within 2 lightyears. We don't normally see such strength in a black hole in fiction, artificial or not.
Anyway Superman also has black hole feats. Using your logic Thanos wouldn't be able to harm him much either. Superman actually touched the singularity (which is stupid as hell). There is infinite force on the singularity.
I know black holes pull everything, but not for 2 lightyears. I know pre DCnU Superman once escaped the pull of an artificial black hole, but not easily..and this thing wasn't drawing everything in within 2 lightyears. Not all black holes are the same, at least when it comes to fiction.
So if you are doing the "using my logic" thing, this just means they can't physically hurt each other. Which means Thanos stomps, hard. Thanos has other options, Supes has no way to achieve victory aside from using some kind of physical force, whether it be punches or heat vision or whatever.
Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
Question. Assuming you are telling the truth, which I don't assume, would that be considered an average showing or a hiiiiigh showing?
I think you are wasting your time. He more or less just said Superman has multiversal durability. Or at the very least, universal. You'd have to be if you are surviving a black hole that can pull in the entire multiverse.
It's really one of those things that is impossible to really argue with.
It illustrates perfectly the difference between both sides. Thanos is known for his durability(not that Superman isn't known for being tough too), he has a variety of feats as such. Not just the singularity, and not even just things like "get outright reality warped and come back from it" and other things. So people post things for Thanos that are not vastly outside the realms of his normal capabilities. The Superman fans post feats they know damn well don't represent even a high end Superman. There is high end Superman and then there is Fanboy's wet dream Superman. They will then take preventative measures to protect the claim by saying "what this doesn't count?" because they know that is exactly the response they'd get, and so when they get the response they predicted they take that as "ha, I was right about this and thus about everything".
I'd love it if he was consistently that strong or tough, but the reality is..he's not.
Originally posted by SurturIt was obvious. Just not well thought out if you actually consider the characters in full. An explanation follows:
I would of thought it would be obvious...
Originally posted by SurturSo Thor's history of using Mjolnir's out-of-left field plot device powers and things like Belt of Strength make it unfair to compare against Superman's history. Superman's history. Superman.
since you were comparing someone to Thor who lacks the whole plot device magical hammer thing.
The character who conveniently learns T-Vo to exploit a loophole of Dominus', randomly supervibrates phantom planets, bizarrely sings a supernote to nullify Darkseid's spirit, spontaneously emits a solarflare to defeat Ulysses, wields Phantom Zone projectors, sundips into the Sun, hops into evolving hyperstory thought robots, utilizes random Kryptonian plot device inventions, etc.
I mean, are we forgetting he spent like.. a year developing new superpowers by the minute when he went all electric nitebrite Superman Blue?
There are memes dedicated to Superman's plot deviceness. I suspect you forgot to take that into consideration. But it has been a part of his character for a very long time:
http://www.ign.com/articles/2015/02/04/supermans-15-weirdest-superpowers
^ That being said:
Originally posted by Surtur
I know black holes pull everything, but not for 2 lightyears. I know pre DCnU Superman once escaped the pull of an artificial black hole, but not easily..and this thing wasn't drawing everything in within 2 lightyears. Not all black holes are the same, at least when it comes to fiction.So if you are doing the "using my logic" thing, this just means they can't physically hurt each other. Which means Thanos stomps, hard. Thanos has other options, Supes has no way to achieve victory aside from using some kind of physical force, whether it be punches or heat vision or whatever.
I think you are wasting your time. He more or less just said Superman has multiversal durability. Or at the very least, universal. You'd have to be if you are surviving a black hole that can pull in the entire multiverse.
It's really one of those things that is impossible to really argue with.
It illustrates perfectly the difference between both sides. Thanos is known for his durability(not that Superman isn't known for being tough too), he has a variety of feats as such. Not just the singularity, and not even just things like "get outright reality warped and come back from it" and other things. So people post things for Thanos that are not vastly outside the realms of his normal capabilities. The Superman fans post feats they know damn well don't represent even a high end Superman. There is high end Superman and then there is Fanboy's wet dream Superman. They will then take preventative measures to protect the claim by saying "what this doesn't count?" because they know that is exactly the response they'd get, and so when they get the response they predicted they take that as "ha, I was right about this and thus about everything".
I'd love it if he was consistently that strong or tough, but the reality is..he's not.
Originally posted by eaebiakuya
No one will take a shot ?I will try:
I think Thanos can beat 5 DCNU Superman. But will not be a easy fight.
10 Supermans should beat Thanos...unless he use some of omnidirecional blast who could kill all of then, exploding the planet and more, like the solar system.
Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
Question. Assuming you are telling the truth, which I don't assume, would that be considered an average showing or a hiiiiigh showing?
And does it matter? Because you're just going to ignore it anyway.
Originally posted by Surtur
I know black holes pull everything, but not for 2 lightyears. I know pre DCnU Superman once escaped the pull of an artificial black hole, but not easily..and this thing wasn't drawing everything in within 2 lightyears. Not all black holes are the same, at least when it comes to fiction.So if you are doing the "using my logic" thing, this just means they can't physically hurt each other. Which means Thanos stomps, hard. Thanos has other options, Supes has no way to achieve victory aside from using some kind of physical force, whether it be punches or heat vision or whatever.
I think you are wasting your time. He more or less just said Superman has multiversal durability. Or at the very least, universal. You'd have to be if you are surviving a black hole that can pull in the entire multiverse.
It's really one of those things that is impossible to really argue with.
It illustrates perfectly the difference between both sides. Thanos is known for his durability(not that Superman isn't known for being tough too), he has a variety of feats as such. Not just the singularity, and not even just things like "get outright reality warped and come back from it" and other things. So people post things for Thanos that are not vastly outside the realms of his normal capabilities. The Superman fans post feats they know damn well don't represent even a high end Superman. There is high end Superman and then there is Fanboy's wet dream Superman. They will then take preventative measures to protect the claim by saying "what this doesn't count?" because they know that is exactly the response they'd get, and so when they get the response they predicted they take that as "ha, I was right about this and thus about everything".
I'd love it if he was consistently that strong or tough, but the reality is..he's not.
Typical.
Originally posted by tkitna
So your asking me to provide a scan of Thanos just physically beating a foe on par of Superman, or are you asking for a scan of Thanos showing superior strength? Two different things completely.
The assertion was that Thanos is stronger than Superman, Therfore the only point would be to show the Mad Titan displaying superior strength.
To open the conversation to all points though feel free to show scans of both.