Originally posted by ChaosTheory123
Did he?Was under the impression it was just a duel
Have that quote?
Given I made the Vodo respect thread, it'd be nice to have if it exists
That said, the point of my post was to address your comparison to Sedriss, pivot around whatever else you want or need to as far as asserting Yoda and Sidious are superior to Kun
It's in my counter to Nai.
I mean given Exar Kun had the potential to surpass Reborn Palpatine, there's shit all evidence suggesting Sidious is stomping Exar Kun.
Also Sedriss ~ Kun is so unfathomably stupid, given Kun as a spirit is essentially confirmed to be Master Luke's superior throughout Jedi Academy.
I'd reply, but Nai is likely to appear himself.
Originally posted by SunRazer
I find it intriguing that resurrecting the dead with Dathka Graush's spell is considered a lesser art when Korriban: Planet of Lost Souls stated that not even Palpatine knew how to do it. Not saying that it's impossible to retcon, but to have it go from Palpatine explicitly not knowing the technique to Ventress being able to use it is interesting.
The writers recognized their folly. But given you've no actual rebuttal, does this mean you agree that if refers to Dooku's power?
No, it doesn't. "Complex" is defined as something that has many interconnected aspects. No matter how powerful you are, the spell is still complex because it's derived from all sorts of Sorcery/Alchemy, but if you're good enough, you can use it easily. That doesn't change the fact that it's still comprised of numerous aspects - hence being "complex".
Fair enough.
Legacy claims that Muur may have had a hand in creating the Leviathans. It was quite possibly a joint process, one in which Sorzus would've been unwilling to give much credit to Muur because, well, she's a Sith.
Oh yes, he definitely created them. According to Sorzus, she was the first to do so, however. And I do not see evidence pointing to the fact that she was lying, other than speculation.
As for the amulets, you're forgetting that she wrote them in future tense. That's what she wanted to happen - it's not shown that it actually did happen. Not that greater knowledge of Alchemy means greater knowledge/power overall, since we know the original Sith Lords each possessed secrets of their own that they denied the others access to.
Absence of evidence isn't evidence of absence. She said she was going to do it. Where's the evidence pointing to the opposite?
And yes, Muur has tricks Sorzus doesn't; I'm not arguing she's a better combatant than Muur, just more powerful and knowledgeable, and an overall greater master of the Force.
That's rather inane reasoning, really. Wyyrlok studied more of the dark side than Krayt, yet he was outclassed with respects to telekinesis and Force Lightning (by Vong Krayt, no less), the principle powers that Sith use in combat. With Vong Krayt being outclassed by Muur, it's evident that Wyyrlok isn't anywhere near Muur despite studying obscene amounts of Sith lore (almost certainly beyond what Muur learned), including texts from the Ancient Sith and at least some of Muur's own teachings.
And from where do you draw the connection between Wyyrlok and Sorzus? Just because something is the case with one character, does not mean it is the case with another, especially when the two aren't connected in any way.
The only demonstrations of Sorzus' Force powers are her Alchemy and Sorcery, with which she seemed to be ahead of everyone else. The only character who she's been confirmed weaker to is Ajunta Pall. No such statement exists regarding Muur. I'm basing my conclusion on what information we have available, even if it isn't much. The only reason to assume Muur is better at casting sparks or lifting big stuff is... well, nothing.
With respect to the Dark Side Adepts, their knowledge may be considerable, but raw power plays a part in manipulating the Force as well, as my example above proves. And obviously, the reason Sidious didn't consider them as worthy of apprenticeship is because their raw power was lacking. They just weren't going to ever be strong enough to live the life of a Sith apprentice under the most powerful Sith Lord.
Well, apparently they had enough power to drain part of a planetary population and create Force Storms (the same ones the Emperor uses, only on a smaller scale). Canonically, only the most powerful Sith Lords in history could use Sith Alchemy, yet their mastery of it outstripped some of its most powerful practicioners. This canonically puts the Adepts among the most powerful dark side users that have ever existed.
Palpatine just has higher standards than most for who is worthy of studying at his feet. I don't think you realize how well it reflects on Palpatine's own power and the power of those who he did consider worthy. "Moderate" isn't the same for him as it is to others.
We can easily draw reverse comparisons such as Vader thinking that Muur could've been powerful enough to be his Master - which instantly puts him above any of the dark side adepts that are canonically inferior to Vader. Not to mention that where Sidious deemed his Adepts unworthy of being even Sith Apprentices, he considered Sorzus Syn one of the greatest Dark Lords of the Sith. There's no comparison.
Vader can think whatever he wants. Especially at this point when the Dark Side Adepts hadn't been formed (at least I don't think), and when Vader himself wasn't that powerful. And probably had never seen what his Master was capable of.
Sidious considered her one of his most powerful predecessors. Yet that does mean she herself would qualify for apprenticeship. The two aren't contradictory. As I said, it only reflects on Sidious' own power, and just how much the Sith have evolved across the millenia.
Regarding complex: if we take the literal definition, that means Sorzus needed prep or some artifacts/trinkets to help her in returning the dead to life -- something Asajj didn't need, and she just winged it.
If we take the practical definition it means difficult. And Ventress does it easily. Taking either definition still points to Ventress performing the spell to a greater extent than Syn could.
Tbh Neph, not sure why you find it so ridiculous given the amount of knowledge that Palpatine and his Adepts had access to which was a very large amount of it and that's pretty much all his Adepts did, they studied the dark side and sought out knowledge. Which is shown given what they are able to do.
Originally posted by Azronger
So a single Dark Side Adept is a superior Force wielder than Sorzus Syn.
Originally posted by The Merchant
DS adepts~Ancient Sith confirmed.
No, just Sorzus which I don't see why you guys find it such a big deal. She was the one who wrote down her experiments and so on, which was passed down and learned from. Sooo....why you guys are acting like this is some huge thing, it's really not. They just took her findings and used them, they were already written down, so they weren't doing anything new and had help with notes.