@Nadd
I see you still lack proper comprehension of the English language. Luke didn't say Exar Kun and Sidious were the greatest focal points of darkness, but were two of, as in they were both focal points of darkness... But who else would be that, really?
Exar Kun and Sidious are the only true Sith, bar Vader, Luke has encountered at the time. According to Heir to the Empire, he's pushed past his father being a focal point of the Dark Side and no longer believes that to be the case. So for being Dark Side focal points we have candidates like: a pre-prime Lumiya? Desann? All this really does is place Exar Kun ahead of neophytes and pre-prime Sith Lords, not compare him to Sidious.
Sidious can be number one, and Kun can be number two, but the gap between them is never detailed; all we know is Exar Kun is > Desann... not that big of an achievement.
At this point, your opinions are null and void, DC.
I was just playing, but since you're taking it serious: I'm sorry, but I don't think yours [responses] ever was worth anything so, lmao.
How does Luke thinking Sheev and Kun being focal points of darkness equal Luke thinking Sidious = Exar?
Don't believe I ever commented on the quote meaning Palpatine = Exar, so dunno what you're saying on about here. But you are under cutting it a bit. Joruus C'baoth was a dark sider, that Luke, considered to be "easily a Vader level threat", was still below spirit Kun, per Skywalker own opinion.
So, via Luke, a weakened Kun is superior to someone that shares close parity to Vader. It isn't something that places Kun on Sidious' level, but it's certainly better than what you're trying spin it if one takes it at face value.
Originally posted by Deronn_solo
I was just playing, but since you're taking it serious: I'm sorry, but I don't think yours [responses] ever was worth anything so, lmao.
I guessed, as much. I wonder how you didn't realize I was as well, lol.
And I'm probably not even going to entertain Nadd. Users more qualified for debating than me have tried convincing him, but he keeps regurgitating the same thing over again.
Originally posted by Deronn_solo
Don't believe I ever commented on the quote meaning Palpatine = Exar, so dunno what you're saying on about here. But you are under cutting it a bit. Joruus C'baoth was a dark sider, that Luke, considered to be "easily a Vader level threat", was still below spirit Kun, per Skywalker own opinion.
So, via Luke, a weakened Kun is superior to someone that shares close parity to Vader. It isn't something that places Kun on Sidious' level, but it's certainly better than what you're trying spin it if one takes it at face value.
Quote for Luke thinking Joruus ~ Vader? Besides, we know canonical sources place Vader ahead of C'baoth, anyways.
And again, the quote says two of the darkest, as is they're up there, but they're not neccessarily the best.
Originally posted by MythLord
[B]@NaddI see you still lack proper comprehension of the English language. Luke didn't say Exar Kun and Sidious were the greatest focal points of darkness, but were two of, as in they were both focal points of darkness... But who else would be that, really?
Exar Kun and Sidious are the only true Sith, bar Vader, Luke has encountered at the time. According to Heir to the Empire, he's pushed past his father being a focal point of the Dark Side and no longer believes that to be the case. So for being Dark Side focal points we have candidates like: a pre-prime Lumiya? Desann? All this really does is place Exar Kun ahead of neophytes and pre-prime Sith Lords, not compare him to Sidious.
Sidious can be number one, and Kun can be number two, but the gap between them is never detailed; all we know is Exar Kun is > Desann... not that big of an achievement. [/B]
2. You proved that I have problems with English. But, fortunately, I am not the only one.
Originally posted by Freedon Nadd
You did two things so far(and I am fine with that)
1. You corrected me with the dark side focal part. But Luke believes them to be "two of the greatest"
He still "re-tells" those events from his experience. And he is thinking to DE Palpatine(claimed to be at his strongest) and JA Exar Kun(at his weakest)
Hope, I made myself clear now.2. You proved that I have problems with English. But, fortunately, I am not the only one.
You made yourself clear, it still doesn't change the fact that having a similar accolade doesn't mean they have similar power.
Originally posted by MythLord
You made yourself clear, it still doesn't change the fact that having a similar accolade doesn't mean they have similar power.
Originally posted by The_Tempest
Luke muses that Sheev and Kun are "TWO OF" the greatest dark side focal points, not "THE TWO" greatest dark side focal points.ninjad
Fair, truthfully, I take Luke's opinion of all New Republic villains with a grain of salt. At that time period, every other villain could have been Sidious level threats, and the next Vader.
It seems like the writers were just trying to create suspension by comparing every run-of-the-mill dark sider to the greatest Sith Lord ever, and one of, if not, the greatest Sith apprentice.
Originally posted by Deronn_solo
Fair, truthfully, I take Luke's opinion of all New Republic villains with a grain of salt. At that time period, every other villain could have been Sidious level threats, and the next Vader.It seems like the writers were just trying to create suspension by comparing every run-of-the-mill dark sider to the greatest Sith Lord ever, and one of, if not, the greatest Sith apprentice.
Originally posted by MythLord
Sidious can be number one, and Kun can be number two, but the gap between them is never detailed
Yes.
And yet, you still think it must be significant enough to ensure, that Sidious would take every fight against Kun, when the latter enjoys the benefits of a more martial approach to both the Force and lightsaber combat, wields a unique weapon with a unique style and has lightsaber resistant armor.
Yup. Seems reasonable. 🙄
Originally posted by MythLord
Yes, yes I do since Sidious is canonically more powerful,
Oh. He is? Care to provide that Legends quote referring to RotS Sidious specifically? Not that it answers the initial question: How much more powerful?
enjoys having substantially greater feats
Where?
and has strength that sh!ts on beings who were capable of slicing through lightsaber-resistant material.
Erm. What?
Originally posted by Beniboybling
Sidious would ragdoll Kun yeah. 🙂
I will keep in mind, that contradiction of the authors opinion / intention on a matter (in this case the inventors of both Kun and DE Sidious) is legit for you. Because, you know, according to Tom Veitch, the inventor of DE!Sidious, Kun is probably better than (at least) Canon!Sidious (aka RotJ Sidious), while Kevin J. Anderson, the inventor of Kun, thought that Kun and DE!Sidious need to duke it out to find out who the most powerful Sith is. Just saying...
Originally posted by Nai
Oh. He is? Care to provide that Legends quote referring to RotS Sidious specifically? Not that it answers the initial question: How much more powerful?
"Yoda went after Palpatine in the empty Senate chamber, but could not defeat the most powerful Sith Lord in history."
-- The New Essential Chronology
"His[Palpatine's] power may be unparalleled in the history of the Sith."
-- Force & Destiny
"When the most powerful Jedi battled against the most powerful Sith, the two sides of the Force clashed in spectacular style. Grand Master Yoda took on Darth Sidious in the Senate building on Coruscant and proved that strength and power have nothing to do with size."
-- Jedi Battles
These are EU sources, published far after the invention of Exar Kun. In fact, the last two are after the invention of even Vitiate, who himself is more powerful than Exar, or Plagueis, who's also more powerful Vitiate.
As to the question: by how much? Well, you can guess the gap is definitely considerable since Dark Empire Sidious is more powerful than RotJ Sidious, who's more powerful than ANH Sidious, who's more powerful than RotS Sidious, who's more powerful than TPM Sidious, who rivals Plagueis, who's at least on par with SWTOR Vitiate, who's above Exar Kun.
Originally posted by Nai
Where?
Most of the sources he's featured in.
Originally posted by Nai
Erm. What?
Several characters substantially beneath Sidious in strength managed to drive their lightsabers through lightsaber resistant material via muscle, so I'd imagine Palpatine could as well.