Exar Kun vs. Palpatine

excellent

Now let us observe the next volley.

Indeed. We live in interesting times.

I think we should just look at feats instead of discussing quotes on a character's power tbh.

Originally posted by Nai

You have, quite clearly, no idea who you're dealing with, Beniboy.
I've merely encountered a nice pile of work on my desk, that shouldn't have been there, which forced me to spent some time working, instead of continuing this marvelous exchange of arguments with you folks. And I hope you can forgive that I overlooked your previous points. That wasn't a deliberate act of mine, I really just scrolled over your posting without taking notice. Here you have your reply

Oh. Is he now? Care to provide some proof for that claim? Because, you see, last time I checked Kun was blasting holes through giant beasts and metre-thick temple walls and obliterating Massassi with room-sized beams of force energy. This in a point in time where he didn't have much control over his amulets.

Source: SWTOR Codex: Yavin 4

For well over a thousand years now, the dark side of the Force has flowed through Yavin 4 in an ever-increasing magnitude.

Source: Satele Shan, Shadow of Revan

The dark side permeates everything here. Saturates it. I've been to Oricon but this is another level entirely.

Source: SWTOR Codex - Oricon

Located in an unremarkable system well off the Hydian Way, Oricon seems an almost arbitrary choice for the Dread Masters' home. But anyone with an affinity for the Force can sense that the rocky Outer Rim moon is immeasurably strong with the dark side.

Source: The Complete Star Wars Encyclopedia

The Massassi built huge temples of ancient Sith design to focus great dark side energies

Source: Freedon Nadd, Tales of the Jedi: Dark Lords of the Sith

Great power is locked in these temples.

Source: Star Wars: Tales of the Jedi - Dark Lords of the Sith 4

Tremendous energies are concentrated in these half-ruined temples.

And it's made pretty evident that the amulet Kun uses to achieve these feats, was amplified by this nexus:

Exhibit A: "Suddenly finding he can speak the Sith tongue, Exar Kun reaches to toward the focus of power."

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Exhibit B: "With a clash of iron the amulet clamps itself to his arm... Exar Kun suddenly feels his rage multiply a thousand times, then a hundred thousand times."

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Fact is Exar Kun has never replicated this kind of potency off Yavin 4, and this battle does not take place on any kind of nexus at all.

He also simply knocked out Aleema Keto with a casual blast of dark side energy

did quite the same to Sylvar and outright killed Odan-Urr with a single force attack.

But if we are talking telekinesis now, then I raise you incapacitating Maul:

And later ragdolling him with ease:

Killing Odan-Urr is all well and good, but not particularly impressive considering Urr indicates his powers had waned with age:

"I... am old... evil is loose... in the galaxy... and I cannot stop it..."

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Odan-Urr being 200 hundred years beyond his species natural lifespan, of course his powers had waned, this is not a particular impressive feat.

I'm not really certain where RotS Sidious has demonstrated destructive abilities with his force lightning on a similar level. He doesn't really leave nothing but ashes behind, when firing it at Mace Windu, does he? Nor does he turn Yoda into a charred skeleton when hitting the Jedi Master with a barrage.

And for the record, ROTS Sidious capably reduced a Sith spawn to dust with his lightning:

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Off-nexus, and could probably replicate Kun's nexus feats without an amp as well. 👆

That aside: The force abilities of Exar Kun's half-mad and powerless spirit were enough to simply incinerate Gantoris who had dared to attack him. One Sith magic attack from Kun's spirit ripped Luke's spirit from his body. He managed to outright mind-control Streen. And, of course, managed to aid Kyp Durron in recovering the Sun Crusher from the atmosphere of a gas giant as well as - shortly before his final banishment - almost chocking Luke's students to death collectively.

How is Sidious' force defense "logically superior" exactly? You really need to explain that "logic" to me. I, somehow, didn't see Sidious tanking the most powerful light side power there is, just to get up a split second later and deliver an fatal force attack at the 1,000 year old Jedi Master, who just attacked him before.

Neither did I see Sidious outright ignoring Sith magic attacks that killed people before (which Kun does, before blasting Aleema down).

Sidious' Force barriers were so strong that even Vader couldn't touch him:

Source: Revenge of the Sith

And you rage and scream and reach through the Force to crush the shadow who has destroyed you, but you are so far less now than what you were, you are more than half machine, you are like a painter gone blind, a composer gone deaf, you can remember where the power was but the power you can touch is only a memory, and so with all your world-destroying fury it is only droids around you that implode, and equipment, and the table on which you were strapped shatters, and in the end, you cannot touch the shadow.

As for the logic. Darth Sidious is more powerful than Exar Kun, therefore his Force defenses, which directly correlate to power, should be superior as well. Sidious Force Barriers were strong enough.

Says who, again?

The powers mentioned above would be a good example.

He is probably far more powerful in the Force than Mace Windu and comes equipped with an uncanny amount of Dark Side abilities, which would mean an offensive use of the Force beyond force pushes. Something that Sidious, correct me if I'm wrong, has never encountered before.

On top of that, he has been called the "most forbidable student" in terms of lightsaber combat that Vodo ever had, with Vodo being the guy that trained Jedi for four (or six?) centuries.

A remark that Vodo makes, after Kun had just defeated him in direct combat, utilizing two lightsabers in unison. So he is exceptionally gifted with the weapon, even when he is nothing more than an apprentice and already capable of handling two lightsabers in unison, which isn't exactly easy.

The accolade that establish Windu as superior in ability to the Jedi Council - who have been regarded as among the greatest lightsaber duelists in mythos - is. As is the accolade that touts Yoda as perhaps the greatest lightsaber duelist in galactic history.

I again ask was Exar Kun has on these individuals.

You may add Kun's lightsaber to the menu, which comes with adjustable blade length and even the intensity of the lightsaber beam, which enables him to strike through the weapons of possible opponents.

And, of course, Kun is equiped with his battle armor, that is made of cortosis weave, a material that does resist lightsaber hits, with cortosis being known to be able of causing lightsabers to shorten out. That would at least allow Kun to care much less about getting hit than the people Sidious did encounter before, if not even leave Sidious without a weapon, should he manage to get a hit in on Kun.

Thanks for providing that huge amount of proof for your claims. Oh, wait. You didn't. You just assume that this is true, like every other Sidious fanboy. Yet, you can't proof any of it. So? And I'm not your friend, punk.

But you want proof? Very well then. In brief:

Strength
[list][*]Before receiving any training, possessed enough strength to tear off limbs and crush skulls.

[*]Warded off the combined strength of Maul and Savage and later overpowered Maul. Maul who has shattered spines and ripped off out the heart of a Wampa without Force augmentation, and Savage who has killed Padawan's with a single stroke, driven back Anakin and Kenobi at once and disarmed Dooku with a blow.[/list]
Speed & Agility
[list][*]Blitzed three Jedi Council Members before they can react, all regarded to be among the best the Order had produced, in a few seconds.

[*]Moved too fast for Maul to see, who in turn was too fast for Komari Vosa, and appeared invisible to holocameras.

[*]Deflected omin-directional fire from waves of 200 battle droids.

[*]Defeated an army of Kursid warriors using no offensive Force powers or lightsabers, merely Force pikes, and without sustaining a single hit.[/list]I think I've covered Force powers and lightsaber skill already, so I await Exar Kun's superior showings. 👆

The quote from the Insider is completely not canon, so it has no influence on our little debate.

I assume you have something to support it, yes? Because I have:

Source: Leland Chee, StarWars.com

...continuity "C" canon which is pretty much everything else. By everything else I mean EVERYthing else. Novels, comics, junior novels, videogames, trading card games, roleplaying games, toys, websites, televisions. As I've mentioned earlier, any contradictions that arise are dealt case-by-case.

This has been our general approach to continuity since we began using the Holocron database to track it.

And I wonder what "greatest master of evil to ever use the Sith power" should tell me? That there were greater masters of evil, that didn't use the Sith power? Or, that he isn't the "greatest master of Sith power", because - obviously - those and "evil" are two different things. So he was more evil than Kun. Gosh. That will certainly ensure his triumph!

On the other hand, what was your excuse for this one again?

Source: The New Essential Chronology

Yoda went after Palpatine in the empty Senate chamber, but could not defeat the most powerful Sith Lord in history

Don't worry, my response will be up tomorrow or the day after. Nobody's crying yet, Nai.

Originally posted by SunRazer
We're discussing Legends, not Canon lol. The novel is Legends - it doesn't become invalidated just through a contradiction with the show, because Legends isn't divided into that old G, T, C-canon etc. anymore. They're both different interpretations of the fight - that's it. Otherwise, the novel was written for no purpose and has no value.

TCW is a part of Legends. The Legends canon status always was that it was overwritten by actual on screen fights when contradicted. Whilst it gives us more insight into scenes where Not contradicted.

So for example Dooku didn't kick slam Kenobi as stated in the ROTS Novel because that never happened in the actual movie.

So no the novel isn't simply a "different interpretation" of the fight. The episode is the correct and final version, the novel simply supports it, but is not equal to it. Same as has always been the case with the movie novelisations.

Also bear in mind the novel was released before the actual episodes, and Filoni and crewe didn't want the entire thing completely spoiled, hence no mention of who Satine's sister was, nor does it mention Sidious keeping Maul alive at the end. He wanted to keep a couple of surprises, and probably didn't want the climax fight being completely spoiled.

Originally posted by SunRazer
Filoni's quotes also state the brothers can't even touch him, but they did - twice. As I said, if you take all of Filoni's quotes and the novel, and actually use something called inference (because you don't get everything served up on a plate in life), then you will realize that Sidious held back until the climax clash with Maul at the end.

Firstly I think you're taking the "not touching Sidious" thing way too literally. He was simply just justifying why it was such a one sided fight. But if you want to take all his quotes completely literally on this fight, then he will be contradicting himself anyway. As he's outright called the fight a "legitimate one." In any case if he went All Out with his Tk, then yes it is very possible they never could have touched him, as they possibly never could have even clashed Sabers with him. But that doesn't mean if he chooses to clash Sabers with them, that they still can't touch him. Remember in these quotes, Filoni never really distinguished between, Force, Sabars and All out. He was simply talking All-Out.

Second IIRC he did't say "Maul and Opress" can't touch this guy, but that "NO ONE" can touch this guy. Well Mace Windu would disagree, as would Yoda.

Third- As Nai has already pointed out, you can't have the Director completely contradicting what happened on screen. If he does, his words become irrelevant, as it's what happens on screen that is the most canon source. Otherwise going by your logic, you must agree with Lucas that ROTJ Luke was only a "Half Trained" Padawan, as that's what Lucas himself says in the commentary, despite the fact that the film makes it clear he was fully trained.

Originally posted by SunRazer
If Sidious was unrestrained in his usage of telekinesis, he'd be endlessly throwing the brothers around until they died of brain damage and broken bones.

That doesn't have any relevancy to the point in the absolute slightest. Sidious using telekinesis actively and them not being within saber range isn't related to whether or not Sidious held back. Everybody uses telekinesis actively, lol.

I agree he could toss them around and crush them easily with his Tk. I agree he clearly held back with his Tk, and clearly toyed with them in that sense. Doesn't mean he didn't want to test his own Saber skills against them.

Originally posted by SunRazer
The brothers were competing, lol, and they did touch Sidious. So unless Filoni was referring to Sidious going all-out, then his quotes would contradict his very show (which is the one you consider canon).

Already addressed.

Originally posted by SunRazer
Filoni saying Savage lasted longer isn't relevant to whether or not Sidious held back, to be honest. Savage put up a better fight against Sidious who was holding back; the others were cut down immediately by a Sidious who wasn't holding back.

It is relevant because he specifically made that comparison. If Sidious was holding back the entire Saber fight (which you've admitted he probably wasn't), then Filoni's comparison would have been a completely useless and pointless one to make, and we have to wonder why he would even go there.

Sidious never used Tk against Fisto/Tiin/Kolar. He simply cut them down. So even if Sidious wasn't holding back for like 30% of the "Saber" battle against the Brothers, the comparison would be relevant.

And like Nai pointed out there was no sense Extreme toying going on during the the actual Saber battle. With the exception of Sidious's 1 v 1 against Opress. There he was clearly holding back and toying.

Originally posted by SunRazer
Sidious didn't hold back the entire time. Even in the novel, he gradually increased his speed during the final clash with Maul. I agree around there he was less restrained, but I just think it's almost obvious he was holding back in the rest of the contest. In some points, it's more obvious, sure, but in the end this seems to be subjective and it's derailing the thread, so I say we just agree to disagree here.

I actually agree with most of this. And agree he was likely holding back with his Tk for most the fight. But like Nai correctly pointed out, if he was holding back entirely in his Saber abilities, then why Force KO Maul when he was fed up of holding back?

Why not simply stop holding back in Sabers, and show his True Saber potential against both of them? He'd already displayed his true Tk potential and did so again at the end 1 v 1 against Maul.

I disagree that it's derailing the thread. I think when discussing Sidious's feats it's relevant to discuss what abilities he's actually proven in that fight that's referenced all the time. And fact is he's displayed Amazing and Unparalleled TK Prowess in that fight. But in terms of Saber ability all he's shown is he can fend off both Brothers together, and 1 v 1 stomp one of them, and defeat the other.

Can someone provide some speed feats for Kun?

As memory serves he was fast enough to contend with Ulic, whose speed feats are quite impressive, speed blitzing Dark Jedi Warb Null and blitzing Ommin as Ommin shot sorcery at him. He has also created numerous after-images of himself and his lightsaber in combat.

Allow me to reiterate:

Originally posted by The_Tempest
Take that debate to the appropriate thread, plz. I'd rather not have anything obstruct the present discussion about Kun vs. Sidious. excellent

Also:

DP
Third- As Nai has already pointed out,

DP
And like Nai pointed out

DP
But like Nai correctly pointed out,

I'm liking you less and less, son. uhuh

Originally posted by AncientPower
As memory serves he was fast enough to contend with Ulic, whose speed feats are quite impressive, speed blitzing Dark Jedi Warb Null and blitzing Ommin as Ommin shot sorcery at him. He has also created numerous after-images of himself and his lightsaber in combat.

Thanks. Not bad at all.

Originally posted by The_Tempest

I'm liking you less and less, son. uhuh

😄

uhuh

Originally posted by The Merchant
I think we should just look at feats instead of discussing quotes on a character's power tbh.

Kun > Vitiate.

Originally posted by Stigma
Nah. Feats and accolades are the way to go.

Kun > Vitiate.

If we go by feats alone wouldn't that make this a little one sided for palpatine.

Originally posted by Beniboybling
On Yavin 4, a massively powerful dark side nexus:
That was regarded by Satele as in a league above Oricon:
Which itself was incredibly potent:
But do you know what else? The Sith Temple Kun performed these feats in was a focal point of that dark side power😮r are we forgetting that Revan was able to ragdoll the likes of Satele, Marr and Beniko, all at once, on this planet? As well as teleport at will, corrupt with his presence and conjure up deadly phantoms of dark side energy?

And it's made pretty evident that the amulet Kun uses to achieve these feats, was amplified by this nexus:

Exhibit A: "Suddenly finding he can speak the Sith tongue, Exar Kun reaches to toward the focus of power."

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Exhibit B: "With a clash of iron the amulet clamps itself to his arm... Exar Kun suddenly feels his rage multiply a thousand times, then a hundred thousand times."

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Fact is Exar Kun has never replicated this kind of potency off Yavin 4, and this battle does not take place on any kind of nexus at all.

Really? You honestly dare to point to a dark side nexus in a debate where you argue for Sidious, pal? Seriously?

You do realize, that Sidious did profit from an unprecedented shift in the balance to the force towards the Dark Side, which started before Sidious became a Sith and was finished by him and Plagueis. An event, that did not only hinder all Jedi's ability to touch the Force but did also boost the abilities of Sidious. Shall we now declare Sidious "featless", because every single action performed by him happened under the influence of that unbalancing (e.g. in a state in which he was boosted)? And what does it say about Sidious' abilities, that even in this boosted state, he just barely managed to survive his fight Mace and Yoda who were both hindered at the same time?

And while I'm already at it: It was Kun who transformed Yavin 4 into a Dark Side nexus by building the network of temples there (which were not present before, save for the main temple). The amulet itself is a source of power, yes, but it is not tied to the place. Else, Kun would have realized an amplification of his powers when entering it and not just after he put the amulet on. Instead:

"What Exar Kun understands is that the dark rage that fills his own heart can be focused in this amulet, unleashing tremendous energies!"

Emphasis mine. How convenient, that you somehow "overlooked" what the true source of the amulets power was, while quoting from the very same page of the comic. Are you a bit one sided when reading the source-material, friend? And, gosh, Kun has his amulet for this fight. So where was the point again?

Oh, yeah. Kun not "replicating his feats" away from Yavin 4. Was there any reason for him to do something even remotely close to that, given that he either ragdolled,tKO'd or killed every opponent who dared to oppose him? And the only feat of Kun really tied to the focus point / nexus on Yavin 4 is force draining the entirety of the Massassi on the planet to fuel his final ritual. Give me a call when RotS Sidious does something similar without any aid. The giant Sith crystal he is utilizing in "Sithisis" would, by the way, count as "aid". And, of course, the galaxy level dark side boost from the unbalancing of the Force.

A Sith adept, whereas Sidious has rendered the Sith Lord Darth Maul utterly helpless, blasted the spirit of Mother Tazlin - an exceptionally powerful Force User - out of the body of Dooku, and reduced a group of Sith prophets to ash, something he did with equal nonchalant ease.

Cute. You still believe that Maul was a "Sith Lord"? I find that kind of funny.

"I appreciate, that you have trained him to be a fighting machine rather than a true apprentice" – Darth Plagueis on Maul, "Darth Plagueis", Chapter 23.

"Ultimately, Maul was nothing more than a tool" – Darth Sidious, The Essential Guide through the Force, p.169.

Maul was a Sith only in the title given to him by Sidious. He has pretty much zero feats when it comes to force powers, so one shouldn't be suprised, that he hasn't much to put up against Sidious attacking him with the force. Or do you think, that Maul could win a "wizard duel" against Aleema Keto. If yes, I'd love to see your reasons for that.

With telekinesis. Not Force Blast 😬

But if we are talking telekinesis now, then I raise you incapacitating Maul:

And later ragdolling him with ease:

Again: You're still assuming that landing force attacks on Maul should be impressive, which it clearly isn't. Maul is nothing but a tool that Sidious planned to get rid off from the start on. He was trained to lose against his master. So?

Killing Odan-Urr is all well and good, but not particularly impressive considering Urr indicates his powers had waned with age:

"I... am old... evil is loose... in the galaxy... and I cannot stop it..."

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Odan-Urr being 200 hundred years beyond his species natural lifespan, of course his powers had waned, this is not a particular impressive feat.

I was new to the concept of Force abilities waning with age. Thus far, they have – pretty much – increased in all examples that I have on top of my head. But, of course, that must be somehow different here and Odan-Urr somehow "lost" his power. Still: Killing a Jedi Master with a single force attack is beyond anything RotS Sidious has done with the force. So?

Are you seriously comparing Windu and Yoda to Massassi warriors and some oversized slugs? 😂

I was just remarking upon the fact, that all Sidious has done with his Force lightning so far, was putting Yoda on the ground for a few seconds, where Kun runs around and demolishes people with his force abilities.

And for the record, ROTS Sidious capably reduced a Sith spawn to dust with his lightning:

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Off-nexus, and could probably replicate Kun's nexus feats without an amp as well. 👆

How convenient, that you forgot to mention that Sidious summoned the same thing out of a giant Sith crystal moments before. And there is still this thing about the unbalancing of the force, which boosted his abilities in every second of his Sith career.

One could also mention, that the beast Kun was facing was a little bit bigger than that cute worm Sidious roasted:

So we're falling back on spirit feats now? Prove these are attributable to Kun's physical form - and without the help of Kyp Durron too.

Since Kun's spirit is described as "powerless" and was half-mad, it is only logical to assume that Kun in his regular shape would be capable of at least the same – and probably far more – than his spirit. Do you have any reason to suggest otherwise?

Sever Force is as only as potent as the one who wields it.
Where is the proof that Odan Urr is strong enough to sever Sidious?

I'm wondering where you get your information from. Since the ability attacks the connection to the Force of the target rather than the taget itself, I wonder what this has to do with the potential of its user. Furthermore: Odan Urr has utilized the technique successful against the Sith Lords surviving the Great Hyperspace War 1,000 years earlier.

So your equating Sidious with non-Force sensitives now? 😆

Oh, great. An argumentum ad absurdiam. Brilliant.
I have merely remarked upon the fact, that Sidious didn't have his force defense tested much. Oh wait...

Sidious' Force barriers were so strong that even Vader couldn't touch him:
What proof do we have the Keto can?
As for the logic. Darth Sidious is more powerful than Exar Kun, therefore his Force defenses, which directly correlate to power, should be superior as well. Sidious Force Barriers were strong enough.

Ah, yes. Of course the uncontrolled outburst of Vader at the end of RotS is compareable to a blast of dark side energy directed at a single target – or a wall of light attack. 🙄 And Sidious super Force Barriers couldn't even handle a force push from Yoda, whom Sidious had knocked to the floor moments earlier. How is he going to defend himself against Sith magic and dark side techniques that brought post-DE Luke Skywalker down?

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cont...

The various sources that place Sidious above Kun as a Force wielder. 👆

Since, despite of your effort to do so, you have failed to bring one source that clearly does so to the table, I'm still going to assume that such a source doesn't exist.

So Telekinesis and Force Blast. Hardly anything Sidious can't match. 😬

May I remind you that, the one time Sidious was attacked with telekinesis, he ended up upside down behind his desk? I could also point to the fact that he didn't ever encounter Sith magics in combat, and ask for prove that he is capable of defending himself against Kun's offensive abilities. Oh. Stop. He actually was attacked with a Sith ability in combat. His own force lightning. The effect was that he was melting of his own face with it. I suppose, we saw his powerful force barriers in action there. 👆

We're discussing lightsaber skill here not Force powers, try not to get sidetracked.

No. We're discussing combat here, and since Kun does use his dark side abilities in combat, and Sidious has never faced an opponent who did the same, that is something that Kun has in comparison to Yoda and Mace. And, of course, Kun, as a Dark Side user, wouldn't suffer from the effects of that nice imbalance in the Force that actively hindered the Jedi's abilities to use the Force properly.

Did Vodo train Yoda? Windu? No. This accolade is irrelevant.

How is it "irrelevant" that Kun is the best lightsaber fighter Vodo has trained in six centuries? To every reasonable reader, this translates into vast talent when it comes down to lightsaber action.

The accolade that establish Windu as superior in ability to the Jedi Council - who have been regarded as among the greatest lightsaber duelists in mythos - is. As is the accolade that touts Yoda as perhaps the greatest lightsaber duelist in galactic history.

If the accolade about Kun is irrelevant, so is everything said about Yoda and Mace. The accolade about Kun should be enough – if somebody was inclined on applying reasonable thinking to the situation – to put Kun on par with the likes of Dooku and Mace when it comes to nothing but swordsplay. At his command of the Dark Side to the equation and you have an opponent that is more than a match for RotS Sidious

Originally posted by Beniboybling
Sidious can counter Kun's unorthodoxy with versatility - as a master of all seven forms of lightsaber combat - and speed, which for the record is superior to anything Kun has shown.

Proof that Sidious is faster than Kun. I can just point to the fact again, that Force speed is an universal force power available to pretty much every force user in the mythos. If you want an instance for Kun:

While I, personally, don't consider instances of force speed that impressive, we can see here, that Kun is quite capable of speed blitzing the duo, before one of them has the chance to pull the trigger. And since he had to get his lightsaber into his hand in order to do so first, he is apparently pretty fast.

Which would only make Exar Kun reckless and therefore more vulnerable. And while sure a hit could short out his lightsaber, Sidious can still fall back on his Force powers to recover and regain the upper hand.

Oh, yes. Just ignore the potential advantage for Kun outright, and then proclaim, that Sidious will have no problem fall back on his force powers while Kun keeps slicing him into pieces. Very reasonable.

But you want proof? Very well then. In brief:

Strength
[list][*]Before receiving any training, possessed enough strength to tear off limbs and crush skulls.

[*]Warded off the combined strength of Maul and Savage and later overpowered Maul. Maul who has shattered spines and ripped off out the heart of a Wampa without Force augmentation, and Savage who has killed Padawan's with a single stroke, driven back Anakin and Kenobi at once and disarmed Dooku with a blow.[/list]

Boring.
Kun is seen physcially overpowering Sylvar, who was capable of tearing limbs and heads of war droids off with her bare hands. He also plunged his fingers through the skull of the Republic's chancellor and then lifted his weight (still suspended on his fingers) to utilize him as a handpuppet. He's also capable of contending with Ulic, who in turn was capable of overpowering his brother Cay, who had a mechanical arm that he used to punch straight through war droid heads.

Speed & Agility
[*]Blitzed three Jedi Council Members before they can react, all regarded to be among the best the Order had produced, in a few seconds.

Still debateable if this was just a speed feat or Sidious did influence them in another fashion as well. This while Sidious was boosted and they were hindered due to the unbalancing of the Force...

[*]Moved too fast for Maul to see, who in turn was too fast for Komari Vosa, and appeared invisible to holocameras.

Almost generic speed feat for almost every force user in the mythos. And, in case you didn't notice: When one character uses force speed, he will always be "invisible" for other characters not using the same technique at the same time. Where was the point again?

[*]Deflected omin-directional fire from waves of 200 battle droids.

Either you're incapable of reading or so desperate to make a point that you have to resort to lying. Yes. Sidious was training with a total of 200 battle droids, but they came at him and Plagueis "ring after ring", with the exact number per ring not specified. Not that impressive.

[*]Defeated an army of Kursid warriors using no offensive Force powers or lightsabers, merely Force pikes, and without sustaining a single hit.

This is even more fun. Aside from not mentioning Plagueis' involvement in that little confrontation, you also – conveniently – forgot to mention, that the Kursid warriors were primitives, attacking the Sith with spears and axes. And "force pikes" are pretty much lightsabers that work with electroshocks rather than deadly laserbeams, although they can cut through pretty much anything, when set to the highest power. It's still a "hit one and he's out of the fight" weapon. And in this case, it was used against primitives, who didn't have a connection to the force.

I assume you have something to support it, yes? Because I have:
The Star Wars Insider is a licensed Lucasfilm source, and you've given no reason to doubt its validity.

I've pretty much quoted the support already. Did you, by chance, not read it? Here again:

"I can help. Yes, that material is C-level canon. (And yes, the Insider is a "legitimate publication."😉 Leland vets the stuff I write for Insider that's fiction or includes new continuity. He's a busy man; I doubt he'd do that for kicks on his break." - Jason Fry.

Emphasis mine. The wording is pretty much specific. Everything in the insider, that is either fiction or includes new continuity, is C-level canon. Anything not (like the article in question) doesn't have any impact on the actual canon but is merely the opinion of an author. That's it.

I wonder if you take yourself seriously in attempting to undermine each and every one of Sidious' accolades.

I wonder if you will ever see, that the entirety of canon literature is built in a way that doesn't allow a definite say on who is the most powerful. That is LFL house policy according to Leland Chee for you.

On the other hand, what was your excuse for this one again?
Assuming you ever had one...

The New Essential Chronology is written from the perspective of historian Voran Na'al, making the statement the opinion of a character within the universe itself. That aside, I will quote Leland Chee, again – replying on a question to the quote in question:

There's always going to be room for interpretation and debate. Is the power being measured referring to his mastery over the dark side of the Force, the governmental powers he wields as Emperor, or some combination of both? - Leland Chee"

Emphasis mine.

[i]Originally posted by SunRazer
Nobody's crying yet, Nai.

"Yet."

Revan > Kun, btw. 😉

Lol at using a speed feat even Meetra Surik has beaten, to suggest Kun has speed on the level of Sheev mmm

Nai, if you had to compare Palpatine to any of the older Dark-siders from Kun's time, who would you think would be his equal?