For Blacks Americans, US about as dangerous as Rwanda

well i think just that people do make judgements based on race in some cases unfortunately. and i really hate to say it but for the most part the examples i can think of involve my interactions with the police vs some other people i know of other races.

i mean i grew up around a lot of haitians and latinos who committed a lot of the same kinds of petty crimes that i committed and who i was friends with, yet pretty much all of them have bigger rap sheets than me just seemingly by virtue of being white. or maybe it's white + non-thuggish acting/innocent looking. like you said things like that do come into play as well.. but for whatever cultural reasons they all usually had that sort of thuggish way of dressing and speaking... which to a local cop often reads as a potential threat

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Originally posted by Omega Vision
I'm not arguing against a statistic, I'm simply explaining why that statistic is the way it is, and it isn't because blacks are inherently more violent. I wish people who bring up the black murder rate would just man up and admit that that's what they're trying to say.

I replied to this post via PM because I don't want my post being used to perpetuate racism. 🙂

Originally posted by MF DELPH
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What I took away from your first paragraph is that, essentially, anyone can have 'privilege' via class and wealth, but at some point that privilege can be revoked, and when it occurs to a black person it's because of their lack of white privilege and racism, but when it happens to a white person it's apparently some form of outlier and doesn't change the point that they have white privilege, which is always on, it just didn't kick in in those instances when a white middle class person or person of wealth ends up on the wrong side of the law or is a victim of some other form of circumstance, like not getting a job with thousands of dollars of student loan debt, falling victim to predatory lending practices by a bank or hedge fund manager and losing their home, and then winding up sitting in a drum circle in Central Park for Occupy.

Partially true, yes some privilege can be 'revoked,' but someone having privilege in an instance is not the same thing as immunity, and someone can have different privileges.

Another example would be marijuana usage- White people make up the majority of marijuana users, proportionally use marijuana more, but black people get arrested far more.

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You brought up an incident where a black law professor was detained as a possible home burglary suspect trying to enter his own home (the infamous "Beer Summit" incident). Just 3 weeks ago Sean Combs, aka Puff Daddy, aka P. Diddy (take that, take that, take that), a black rap producer, beat a white man with a f*ckin' kettlebell on the UCLA campus and wasn't shot on sight.

Yeeees, but nothing about privilege says 'this will ALWAYS' happen, and P. Diddy is a famous celebrity.

Coming up with specific instances demonstrates things do happen, but in order to tell what's common and what one is *likely* to encounter, one needs wider data.

That's why I find the concept of White Privilege bullshit. I'm black and have it better than a lot of white people, and I also have peaceful interactions with law enforcement because I:

Here's a thing, though: Statistically, the problems I'm talking about exist.

I mean, remember my post about the people-killed-by-police-in-NYC. 2/3rds of the black people in that group were killed were following the number one rule of not getting shot, 'don't be armed,' and were shot anyway. No white people who followed that rule got shot.

You may avoid problems, but white people can avoid many of those problems without having to act as nicely. What social class they're perceived in also affects how likely they are to be arrested, given the same attitude.

A white kid can go around smoking marijuana and be perceived as 'a good kid, just messing around.'

A black kid doing the same is much more likely to be, 'he's trouble, better take him to the station and get him off the streets.'

And, it varies by location:

Yes, in some communities, you're literally 10 or more times as likely to be arrested for the same crime if you're black than if you're white.

A level of behavior which may be brushed off in one area, may not in another.

Yes, your behavior definitely can protect you. That still is not the same as the races, on the whole, being treated at all equally by police.

Heck, investigation of Ferguson revealed that local laws were set up to extract money from the local black poor, and they came up with BS citations that they could apply to anyone for almost any reason- the number of 'outstanding tickets' outnumbered the actual populace by 50%, and included things like 'failure to comply' (which can and does include failure to comply with being frisked for no reason), 'manner of walking,' and 90% of them were to black residents.

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You may act well enough that in less racist communities you can get by just fine, but can you avoid manner of walking? I would like to see you try to avoid manner of walking.

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“Certain things make you a target,” a resident said. “If you walk with a book bag you’re suspicious, if you’re walking slow — it’s stupid stuff.”

“These are the type of decisions you have to make when you want a fountain soda or a bag of Doritos,” he said: “You have to decide if you want to spend the night in jail — or your girl.”

After Brown’s death, he said things got worse.

“There were guys who were afraid to walk down the street because they didn’t have an ID. The police, that’s just an excuse for them to take you in and fingerprint you,” he said.

“It was like a buddy system,” Seltzer said, “not because of criminals, because of the police harassment.”

Also, when things were brought to course, white residents were 68% more likely to have their cases dismissed.

The white people and black people in Ferguson were treated very differently, and it's not the only town like that, and as the article notes, it's quite unlikely to even be the worst. Other towns have a more mild slant, where it's just white people getting off for stuff black people wouldn't, but there is zero question that skin color, statistically, has a very large effect on your treatment by the law, and it can be 'not too noticeable but statistically present,' to 'massive.'

Ultimately, the difference in treatment is not really a matter of opinion. It's there and it's significant.

Originally posted by red g jacks
well i think just that people do make judgements based on race in some cases unfortunately. and i really hate to say it but for the most part the examples i can think of involve my interactions with the police vs some other people i know of other races.

i mean i grew up around a lot of haitians and latinos who committed a lot of the same kinds of petty crimes that i committed and who i was friends with, yet pretty much all of them have bigger rap sheets than me just seemingly by virtue of being white. or maybe it's white + non-thuggish acting/innocent looking. like you said things like that do come into play as well.. but for whatever cultural reasons they all usually had that sort of thuggish way of dressing and speaking... which to a local cop often reads as a potential threat

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And by contrast, I myself am black, and I also grew up around and rolled with a lot of my own people, latinos (Mexican, Guatemalan, Salvadorian, Puerto Rican, Dominican, Cuban) and Asians (Thai, Filipino, Cambodian) out here in Oakland, primarily in the Dubs and Flatlands of East Oakland, and we all dressed like we stepped off the set of a 2Pac video (well, Redman moreso in my case as I wore a lot of Karl Kani and Pelle Pelle in the 90s. I'm originally a New Yorker), but we were all artists and video game addicts and spent more time going to arcades, going to each others cribs to play Goldeneye, Madden, and NWO/WCW Revenge on N64, and going to movie theatres than we did standing around on the corner in white tees (which, by the way, I'm not sure if you're aware, and I'm not sure if the code is the same in West Palm as it is in Oakland and neighboring areas, though I'm pretty sure it's universal hood code via the songs I've heard, but out here in Cali a dude on a corner/block in a baggy white tee would signify he's selling cocaine and possibly weed as well, and a black tee would signify heroine [Black Tar] and possibly weed as well. Nowadays cats have even adopted purple tees to signify Purple Kush) or engaging in petty theft, and we had very little to no run-ins with police when we were in public. I guess it was our lack of availability in situations which could be perceived as suspect, like standing around on the block smoking, for example, which shielded us from possible police overreach. Also the fact that I'm in California and not in the South.

Ooooh, I just realize I left out the best stat to illustrate the point! Non-police involved, this time.

Ok, let's say Bardock goes and punches me out, and gets arrested for it. A conviction, serves his time, gets out.

Doing so drastically reduces his odds of being hired for a job in the US, of course.

So drastically, in fact, it would now equal yours, MF DELPH, with your crime avoidance and lack of convictions.

Assuming you have equal education. If he had greater education he'd still have the edge.

Now, if you both avoid convictions, different article, black college grads and white high school dropout have the same hiring odds.

Originally posted by Q99
Partially true, yes some privilege can be 'revoked,' but someone having privilege in an instance is not the same thing as immunity, and someone can have different privileges.

Another example would be marijuana usage- White people make up the majority of marijuana users, proportionally use marijuana more, but black people get arrested far more.

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Yeeees, but nothing about privilege says 'this will ALWAYS' happen, and P. Diddy is a famous celebrity.

Coming up with specific instances demonstrates things do happen, but in order to tell what's common and what one is *likely* to encounter, one needs wider data.

Here's a thing, though: Statistically, the problems I'm talking about exist.

I mean, remember my post about the people-killed-by-police-in-NYC. 2/3rds of the black people in that group were killed were following the number one rule of not getting shot, 'don't be armed,' and were shot anyway. No white people who followed that rule got shot.

You may avoid problems, but white people can avoid many of those problems without having to act as nicely. What social class they're perceived in also affects how likely they are to be arrested, given the same attitude.

A white kid can go around smoking marijuana and be perceived as 'a good kid, just messing around.'

A black kid doing the same is much more likely to be, 'he's trouble, better take him to the station and get him off the streets.'

And, it varies by location:

Yes, in some communities, you're literally 10 or more times as likely to be arrested for the same crime if you're black than if you're white.

A level of behavior which may be brushed off in one area, may not in another.

Yes, your behavior definitely can protect you. That still is not the same as the races, on the whole, being treated at all equally by police.

Heck, investigation of Ferguson revealed that local laws were set up to extract money from the local black poor, and they came up with BS citations that they could apply to anyone for almost any reason- the number of 'outstanding tickets' outnumbered the actual populace by 50%, and included things like 'failure to comply' (which can and does include failure to comply with being frisked for no reason), 'manner of walking,' and 90% of them were to black residents.

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You may act well enough that in less racist communities you can get by just fine, but can you avoid manner of walking? I would like to see you try to avoid manner of walking.

Another article

Also, when things were brought to course, white residents were 68% more likely to have their cases dismissed.

The white people and black people in Ferguson were treated very differently, and it's not the only town like that, and as the article notes, it's quite unlikely to even be the worst. Other towns have a more mild slant, where it's just white people getting off for stuff black people wouldn't, but there is zero question that skin color, statistically, has a very large effect on your treatment by the law, and it can be 'not too noticeable but statistically present,' to 'massive.'

Ultimately, the difference in treatment is not really a matter of opinion. It's there and it's significant.

The disparity of drug charges also has to do with the fact that more times than not a white person isn't standing on a street corner making hand to hand sales whereas black distributors primarily use that method and expose themselves to more police action. It's not as cut and dry as they both use and sell weed so why aren't they both arrested at the same rate, most arrests are from distribution and that entails exposure to suspicion. You're not going to get exposed if you're selling weed out of a tool box or cooler inside of your house and only to people you know.

Also, I'm not denying that racism exists, but as I said before, 'privilege' has more to do with class and location. I don't live in Ferguson and my city, while crime ridden and primarily black, is a major city in California. I don't live in an impoverished suburb in the South or Midwest. Ferguson had Mike Brown. Oakland had Oscar Grant and the Oakland Riders. And yet I can walk down the street in my Ecko Polo, baggy jeans, and Jordans or drive around in my GTP on Helos and not have the police approach me about anything at all. The last time I had interaction with the police was reporting a crime in 2007. And I'm not a special case.

Originally posted by MF DELPH

Also, I'm not denying that racism exists, but as I said before, 'privilege' has more to do with class and location.

Well, that's the thing, race and class are very, very often linked, and plenty of locations - and circumstances in almost any location in the US - will treat you more negatively because you're black, much more so than white people have to worry about.

It does vary place to place, it's not universal, but it's definitely a thing.

Even where you are, there's certainly a difference in treatment. Sure, you've gotten pretty good at avoiding it, your areas good enough that it's relatively easy, but it remains that there is things you have to be more conscious of than a white person, and stuff like being hired for a job is a concern wherever you are (see my post above your latest one).

I had no issue seeking employment, went to public schools in "The Hood" and have never been in any form of legal trouble. It's not really a matter of getting good at avoiding it, I've simply lived my life. I don't have to be extra cautious to avoid being associated with criminal activities or criminal elements. I've never rolled in those circles to begin with. Regular dealings with law enforcement is not synonymous with the Black Experience. If a person is interacting with Police often there's likely some life choices they've made that have put them in that situation. Whether it be association with people involved in criminal activity or frequenting locations known for that kind of activity. I'm fairly certain that most of the black people on this site other than myself don't interact with law enforcement on a regular basis and are either employed or going to school. That's just common behavior.

Originally posted by MF DELPH

And that fine bureaucratic mess doesn't even take into account the kinds of households a lot of these students come from where education isn't made a priority, or people who just come from broken homes and neighborhoods where criminality, hustling, sex bartering, and narcotic abuse are commonplace and they've been indoctrinated into the pariah mindset at a young age. A 4th period Trigonometry teacher making $42k a year isn't going to convince a student in 50 minutes a day that making fast money as a stripper or thief/dealer and pulling 5 figures a month isn't as beneficial or lucrative as sitting in that class room figuring out parabulas with a graphing calculator. Those kind of values really have to come from the home. The onice is on the parents and the neighborhood/influences those parents are bringing their children up around. As my Pops used to tell me, "You might be in it, but you're not of it".

I was avoiding the thread at first due to how these things tend to go, but I'll comment on this.

First some background. I live in I suppose southern part midwest, and while I live in the general region of ferguson I don't actually live in it. In my specific place the police aren't a problem they are pretty much on their jobs, yes they visit the black community a lot but because of increased open crime, and it's just easier to deal with crime you see versus the less public crime in other areas. I get asked by police all the time about information but never actually harassed or held against my will and most others here are the same.

Anyway though my city has a very large wealth gap between the races, most of the black people are segmented off in what are the remnants of the blacks only part of town (only not as well upkept) and the areas right outside of it that whites moved out of. The blacks only highschool from my father's early childhood still stands in my neighborhood. We don't go to what was likely a shitty school though, our white community is very wealthy likely more so than most other midwestern towns. And they pump their money into the public schools that they went into and send their kids to as such we have one of the best school districts in our state. We are very fortunate here, a lot of the nearby black areas have terrible schools that get shut down or lost their credits and as such many of them are bussed to us a large number have been sent here since they were 5 years old. We have a great school with proper funding and even have programs in place to help the black community here because it still suffers from the effects Jim crow era, we give them more attention and go out of our way to help, I know because I was in one of those programs. Now I didn't take advantage of it and mostly wasted it but that was on me. My brother and sister did better with it, because my mother and even my father(who normally wasn't around much) pushed them to make use of that education and better their lives so they didn't have to be like everyone else.

A large number of people in my community here don't give a shit for reasons delph states. They have the right schools and tools to get this education people speak so highly off but their family life and environment makes it so they don't care it prioritizes other stuff and encourages criminal activity. Where being a thug is cool and how to be a man, and snagging those kinds of men is what women are told to want so they act the part and go into the same trap instead of bettering themselves. Where older siblings spend all day in the streets causing trouble and tell their younger ones that it is what life is about, and they pass the same to their kids when they have them. Or worse just leave them to let the streets raise them like what happened to them. It's not just fathers either, some single mothers here are hard core criminals themselves who only tell their kids the importance of not getting caught instead of doing what is right. Access to education alone won't fix the problem here, we have to fix the mindset.

Racism is here, I've experienced it personally multiple times. But it's not the big problem in my specific area. And that's the thing you have to focus on what is needed for the group in question, not lump and point the blame at the police for every area.

Originally posted by MF DELPH
And by contrast, I myself am black, and I also grew up around and rolled with a lot of my own people, latinos (Mexican, Guatemalan, Salvadorian, Puerto Rican, Dominican, Cuban) and Asians (Thai, Filipino, Cambodian) out here in Oakland, primarily in the Dubs and Flatlands of East Oakland, and we all dressed like we stepped off the set of a 2Pac video (well, Redman moreso in my case as I wore a lot of Karl Kani and Pelle Pelle in the 90s. I'm originally a New Yorker), but we were all artists and video game addicts and spent more time going to arcades, going to each others cribs to play Goldeneye, Madden, and NWO/WCW Revenge on N64, and going to movie theatres than we did standing around on the corner in white tees (which, by the way, I'm not sure if you're aware, and I'm not sure if the code is the same in West Palm as it is in Oakland and neighboring areas, though I'm pretty sure it's universal hood code via the songs I've heard, but out here in Cali a dude on a corner/block in a baggy white tee would signify he's selling cocaine and possibly weed as well, and a black tee would signify heroine [Black Tar] and possibly weed as well. Nowadays cats have even adopted purple tees to signify Purple Kush) or engaging in petty theft, and we had very little to no run-ins with police when we were in public. I guess it was our lack of availability in situations which could be perceived as suspect, like standing around on the block smoking, for example, which shielded us from possible police overreach. Also the fact that I'm in California and not in the South.

the neighborhood i lived in had a haitian gang that didn't fly any particular colors, didn't make themselves easily identifiable to the police... and if you asked about the name of the gang (top 6) they would say they're not a gang they're a rap group.

Originally posted by red g jacks
tell us some more about how much you hate black people

Looks to me like they hate themselves enough with out me having to get involved.

Originally posted by Lek Kuen
I was avoiding the thread at first due to how these things tend to go, but I'll comment on this.

First some background. I live in I suppose southern part midwest, and while I live in the general region of ferguson I don't actually live in it. In my specific place the police aren't a problem they are pretty much on their jobs, yes they visit the black community a lot but because of increased open crime, and it's just easier to deal with crime you see versus the less public crime in other areas. I get asked by police all the time about information but never actually harassed or held against my will and most others here are the same.

Anyway though my city has a very large wealth gap between the races, most of the black people are segmented off in what are the remnants of the blacks only part of town (only not as well upkept) and the areas right outside of it that whites moved out of. The blacks only highschool from my father's early childhood still stands in my neighborhood. We don't go to what was likely a shitty school though, our white community is very wealthy likely more so than most other midwestern towns. And they pump their money into the public schools that they went into and send their kids to as such we have one of the best school districts in our state. We are very fortunate here, a lot of the nearby black areas have terrible schools that get shut down or lost their credits and as such many of them are bussed to us a large number have been sent here since they were 5 years old. We have a great school with proper funding and even have programs in place to help the black community here because it still suffers from the effects Jim crow era, we give them more attention and go out of our way to help, I know because I was in one of those programs. Now I didn't take advantage of it and mostly wasted it but that was on me. My brother and sister did better with it, because my mother and even my father(who normally wasn't around much) pushed them to make use of that education and better their lives so they didn't have to be like everyone else.

A large number of people in my community here don't give a shit for reasons delph states. They have the right schools and tools to get this education people speak so highly off but their family life and environment makes it so they don't care it prioritizes other stuff and encourages criminal activity. Where being a thug is cool and how to be a man, and snagging those kinds of men is what women are told to want so they act the part and go into the same trap instead of bettering themselves. Where older siblings spend all day in the streets causing trouble and tell their younger ones that it is what life is about, and they pass the same to their kids when they have them. Or worse just leave them to let the streets raise them like what happened to them. It's not just fathers either, some single mothers here are hard core criminals themselves who only tell their kids the importance of not getting caught instead of doing what is right. Access to education alone won't fix the problem here, we have to fix the mindset.

Racism is here, I've experienced it personally multiple times. But it's not the big problem in my specific area. And that's the thing you have to focus on what is needed for the group in question, not lump and point the blame at the police for every area.

^Exactly. I hate to say it but you could completely remove white people and Police from ever having contact with the black community at all and the conditions won't improve. We're talking generational apathy and victim/pariah indoctrination for significant segments of our community. Until that changes the Hood is going to keep churning out broken people. Hell, most of the school board, city council, and local public works administrators here in Oakland are black or Hispanic and the governance is rife with issues of nepotism, embezzlement and corruption. The creators of The Wire were going to do a follow up series based on Oakland but were turned away by then mayor Jerry Brown (now Governor) because he didn't want the show to shed light on the issues here in Oakland the way The Wire did for Baltimore. They wound up doing Tremé about post-Katrina New Orleans instead. Speaking of which, New Orleans is another good example of the issues communities like Oakland, Baltimore, Chicago, Indianapolis, and St. Louis face. There's actually a lot more black dudes like me and Lek out there, as in hard working, law abiding, tax paying citizens who DON'T have regular run ins with the law. We just don't end up on CNN. We wouldn't make for good memes. Ain't nobody got time for that.

Originally posted by Surtur
I'm not saying racism doesn't exist here, it just seems that..well, you tend to see some people who act like the biggest problems the community faces do not come from within the community.

So I think when people talk about "putting things in context" when the dude is talking about how you are a lot more likely to be killed if black..why not point out the rest, which is it is most likely a member of the same race who will be killing you?

The problem is I'm white..I can't talk about this. Or..well, I can, but it means something different if it comes from a person within the community.

Do you know who the biggest killers of Latino people are? Other Latino people.

Do You know who the biggest killers of Asian people are? Other Asian people.

etc., etc., etc.

People tend to kill the people they know and the people they're around the most.

The occurrence of black people killing other black more than white people committing hate crimes (perceived or factual) does not negate that or invalidate the hate crimes.

Originally posted by red g jacks
yea... well like take the white tee example... i understand what you mean about the code and all that. at the same time, corner stores sell those t's for 5 bucks a piece. you would see a lot of people wearing white or black tees down there. not all of them are drug dealers. but because that's the fashion... they look the part.

the neighborhood i lived in had a haitian gang that didn't fly any particular colors, didn't make themselves easily identifiable to the police... and if you asked about the name of the gang (top 6) they would say they're not a gang they're a rap group.

That's the fashion because it's supposed to emulate drug dealing/"Trap Life". Cats want to look like 'Trap Kings'. Just like sagging is a fashion trend which started in prison and permeated pop culture via gangsta rap, which glorifies the bullsh*t. That's kinda the point. Emulating a bad boy image. The catch being, however, you now look like a drug dealer in an area known for drug traffic, and the Police can't tell you're just dressed in Trapface, hence someone being treated like the drug dealers they are imitating on the same turf as the actual drug dealers. They make themselves decoys. The corner stores, on the other side of the coin, turn a profit by buying white and black (and purple and green nowadays) cotton tees in bulk and selling them to the dealers and the posers alike for a 200% or more mark up on wholesale. Corner stores out here also started selling white cotton towels that say "Town Biz" (Oakland's nickname is "The Town"😉 because hanging a white towel out your back pocket also signals you got that work and they can make money from it. Local taxi companies are in on the be BS as well taking money under the table to ferry drugs and prostitutes. Oakland's f*cked up man.

Originally posted by marwash22
Do you know who the biggest killers of white people are? other white people.

Do you know who the biggest killers of Latino people are? Other Latino people.

Do You know who the biggest killers of Asian people are? Other Asian people.

etc., etc., etc.

People tend to kill the people they know and the people they're around the most.

The occurrence of black people killing other black more than white people committing hate crimes (perceived or factual) does not negate that or invalidate the hate crimes.

So the point is people kill other people. Regardless of race.

Originally posted by MF DELPH
I had no issue seeking employment, went to public schools in "The Hood" and have never been in any form of legal trouble.

So? The point is there's a statistical disadvantage.

If 10 black and 10 white people do the same things, more black people will end up without jobs.

"Because it didn't hit me personally," doesn't mean it's not there and significant.

It's not really a matter of getting good at avoiding it, I've simply lived my life.

Of course. And so is everyone else, and your path- where you are, your choices, etc.- happened to not run into it.

To use a video game analogy, it's like encounter rates/loot drops/etc..

Give one type of character +3% encounter rate (+10% in certain areas), enemies more likely to attack that class when there's a chance, and -10% loot drops on the top-tier items, and... you will have a good number of players not even notice because some will still get the top tier loot by chance and stats and build choices will hide some of that data, but on the wide scale the class will be disadvantaged and not show up in the higher tiers as often- even if the players are otherwise just as skillful.

And if someone says, "Oh, all the classes are equal, look at the few who did make it in, they didn't do anything special," the latter part of the statement is true, but the first part isn't, because it's about odds and the odds are stacked.

The thing about odds is they are sometimes unnoticed, because you didn't run into one of the 'gotchas' or super-obvious disadvantages. Doesn't mean they aren't there, there is... ample evidence of that.

Bruh, I live in OAKLAND, CALIFORNIA, not Utopia. There's Police brutality and rampant poverty HERE (hence my Oscar Grant reference from before). Head over to Hegenberger or 98th and E 14 and tell me my encounter rate has been buffed. You're telling me that statistically my life sucks and I live in a perpetual threat of Police assault and White Subjugation, and statistically I shouldn't have been employed for the last 18 years, despite the fact I, in reality, have, because of my choices and work ethic. I'm thinking the subjects of those statistics might just engage in a lot of behavior that hinders their chances at progress and has them tangling with cops regularly, and I've witnessed it firsthand. This is starting to sound a lot like the "Kept" doctrine Liberals use. Your throwing numbers at me that don't depict the actual conditions on the ground and trying to make it seem that I, someone who actually is living this experience, don't know how bad I have it, because your chart says so. I'm pretty certain that these charts don't take into account the actions and behavior of those who make up the stats, like men and women who stay unemployed on paper and get paid under the table in order to keep their Section 8 vouchers and live in places like Piedmont or Antioch (while selling weed), or the cats with rap sheets as long as this exchange between us who fought with a cop and disregarded orders to submit before having a sidearm drawn on them, it just shows that they're unemployed or were involved in an incident with Police and are/were black. That's not the full picture. And to say things here are as bad as Hutu and Tutsi Rwanda? C'mon man. Ain't no one going after Beyonce with a machete because she's light skinned. This kind of sensationalism hurts more than it helps, and I actually find it insulting. I kinda took offense to your "Sure, you've gotten pretty good at avoiding it" comment, though I know there was no ill intent there. Your position gives me the impression that you think regular run ins with law enforcement are the norm for a black man and I just found a cheat code.

I'm glad you shared a piece of your life with us, makes me feel sympathetic for good working black Americans out there who complies and move along with their lives.

and you lived in Oakland? I made a vow to never step into that place, don't want to be robbed or killed by stray bullets.

Would you say he's a credit to his race vasonbee?

Originally posted by NemeBro
Would you say he's a credit to his race vasonbee?