Originally posted by Newjak
While you might think it is fun to mock liberals there is data and studies to support that growing up black adds additional barriers and bias to achieving success.
You really did miss my point.
"ohhhh, poor black people! They are so savage and helpless! They need me to rescue them." <- That's pretty racist and that's what quite a bit of the American liberal sentiment boils down to. I think I've posted this 3 times now but some black people find that shit offensive. Youtube has some videos of semi-famous black youtubers addressing that notion, directly, if you're curious.
Originally posted by dadudemonYeah that's not what I took from your comment sorry for the misunderstanding.
You really did miss my point."ohhhh, poor black people! They are so savage and helpless! They need me to rescue them." <- That's pretty racist and that's what quite a bit of the American liberal sentiment boils down to. I think I've posted this 3 times now but some black people find that shit offensive. Youtube has some videos of semi-famous black youtubers addressing that notion, directly, if you're curious.
I don't think most people think Black people are savage or in capable of doing things for themselves. I think most people simply are trying to get people to admit that there is a problem and that if it is a problem we are going to fix it is going to take people from all sides to focus and figure out ways to handle these problems.
There is a group of people that don't even want to admit that there is a problem or that the problem is strictly the fault of African Americans.
Originally posted by Newjak
I don't think most people think Black people are savage or in capable of doing things for themselves.
Because they think the black community cannot "do it without me", they are indirectly implying that even if they do not acknowledge it directly. Uhh...racism with an ugly and misplaced sense of righteousness is the best way to describe that.
It gets tiring reading about how white people need to help the poor, ignorant, savage, black man.
I don't think your accusation of how liberals think is at all accurate. In my experience no one who supports civil rights thinks that black people are savages or incapable of doing things themselves, nor do they think they themselves are needed. They just want to make a positive contribution to an actual problem that exists.
Or to put it more in the terms you put it:
Not "ohhhh, poor black people! They are so savage and helpless! They need me to rescue them." but "ohhh, poor black people! They have a shitty deal and I and people of my race benefit from the double standards that exist! I should support their efforts to right this wrong"
And not "the black community cannot do it without me" but "the black community can benefit from my support and I want to lend it"
Originally posted by Bardock42
I don't think your accusation of how liberals think is at all accurate. In my experience no one who supports civil rights thinks that black people are savages or incapable of doing things themselves, nor do they think they themselves are needed. They just want to make a positive contribution to an actual problem that exists.Or to put it more in the terms you put it:
Not "ohhhh, poor black people! They are so savage and helpless! They need me to rescue them." but "ohhh, poor black people! They have a shitty deal and I and people of my race benefit from the double standards that exist! I should support their efforts to right this wrong"
And not "the black community cannot do it without me" but "the black community can benefit from my support and I want to lend it"
I disagree with what you're saying, here, and I think you're just playing word games to make sentiments like yours seem less racist. You're just shifting the degrees, ever so slightly, to come out from under the racist radar.
What do your points actually boil down to? That you are privileged and that you think they need your help AND that they can't improve without your help. Don't candy-coat it to make yourself feel better. 👆
When it comes to racism, I don't think word games do any good.
What do you think a financially successful white American should be doing to combat American racism without coming off as racist in the manner I describe?
Originally posted by Bardock42
Not talk to any insane people that have completely skewed views of what racism is?
You didn't actually give an answer, at all. You said what not to do. That question was about what we should/could do.
So I can assume you are full of empty rhetoric? You just want to state what is or is not racist while posting what you think are feel-good ideas on a message board?
Originally posted by dadudemon
You didn't actually give an answer, at all. You said what not to do. That question was about what we should/could do.So I can assume you are full of empty rhetoric? You just want to state what is or is not racist while posting what you think are feel-good ideas on a message board?
Spot on. Been saying this for years.
Your question was based on your skewed view. You can't preoccupy yourself with what some people will perceive incorrectly (you). The correct answer to it is still in my first post, i.e. no one thinks that black people need them and can't do it without them, they just see that there are problems and want to help. So just do your best to help and don't care about the non-issue of what dadudemon might think.
Originally posted by Bardock42
Your question was based on your skewed view. You can't preoccupy yourself with what some people will perceive incorrectly (you). The correct answer to it is still in my first post, i.e. no one thinks that black people need them and can't do it without them, they just see that there are problems and want to help. So just do your best to help and don't care about the non-issue of what dadudemon might think.
If you refuse to acknowledge that there is a large swathe of racism endemic in Liberal America (which is acknowledged by liberal and/or black Americans (not mutually exclusive groups)), then you have no part in this conversation. We can't discuss moving a large rock if you refuse to believe the rock exists to begin with.
Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
Liberal mentality has always been keep blacks dumbed down and reliant on the system. This fact is indisputable."Don't worry about it, let US take care of you."
"Well get you to the voting center's for free, just vote for us."
That much is obvious. But people like Bardock42 think that issue doesn't exist and the liberal white people in America just can't be racist because all they want to help the "poor savage black people."
I don't agree with this guy's cut-throat education solution but I do agree with his underpinning point: progessive coddling is just another form of racism.
And let's not forget that if you're black and not liberal, "you're a dumb person of color that has been brain-washed by racist white people."
http://www.nationalreview.com/article/275013/patronizing-progressives-pallor-michelle-malkin
Well Bardock lived in the US for a short time, 6 months I believe, and lived in the the whitest state in America, Maine, so he has true culture diversity training in America.
And yes,
"And let's not forget that if you're black and not liberal, "you're a dumb person of color that has been brain-washed by racist white people."
So true. You have to be black and liberal to be a smart black person, if you are not, you have been brainwashed by Rush Limbaugh.
There is racism in white liberals of course, it's just not really the way you describe it. What you are complaining about is really mostly a misunderstanding of the white saviour complex, which does exist, but is not generally aimed at black people living in the US, it's more liberal and religious white Americans thinking they have to save "Africa" in some way.
People who are in favour of the civil rights movement is a completely different thing though. Almost no one in favour of civil rights thinks that Black people are savages or incapable of helping themselves, they just want to support the efforts that already exist in black communities. And that's not a semantic difference, it's a fundamentally different mindset.