For Blacks Americans, US about as dangerous as Rwanda

Originally posted by Bardock42
There is racism in white liberals of course, it's just not really the way you describe it. What you are complaining about is really mostly a misunderstanding of the white saviour complex, which does exist, but is not generally aimed at black people living in the US, it's more liberal and religious white Americans thinking they have to save "Africa" in some way.

People who are in favour of the civil rights movement is a completely different thing though. Almost no one in favour of civil rights thinks that Black people are savages or incapable of helping themselves, they just want to support the efforts that already exist in black communities. And that's not a semantic difference, it's a fundamentally different mindset.

What is your experience in this matter, or is all of this just your opinion, because opinions are like assholes, everyone has one. All you see and hear is what the media tells you, have you ever lived in a diverse area such as LA, NYC, LV, or the South?

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
Lets not forget that liberal democrats raised the confederate flag, and started slavery. But its the republicans fault for not talking the confederate flag down quicker.

Still this was hung on the republicans neck, remember?

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
What is your experience in this matter, or is all of this just your opinion, because opinions are like assholes, everyone has one. All you see and hear is what the media tells you, have you ever lived in a diverse area such as LA, NYC, LV, or the South?

A lot of the people I talk to and follow online are in favour of the civil rights movement and discuss just these kinds of issues. I read and watch a multitude of international and US media and pundits discussing issues of race in the US and abroad. Also the "white saviour complex" is a very well known trope you can read more about yourself if you are interested. Additionally I lived in multiple countries with different circumstances, but anecdotal evidence is obviously the weakest thing to go on.

Originally posted by dadudemon
Because they think the black community cannot "do it without me", they are indirectly implying that even if they do not acknowledge it directly. Uhh...racism with an ugly and misplaced sense of righteousness is the best way to describe that.

It gets tiring reading about how white people need to help the poor, ignorant, savage, black man.

A desire to help solve a verified problem does not mean you think the other people are stupid or incapable of doing anything. It simply shows that you understand a problem is present and you want to help. In the case of social issues it actually is better the more people understand there is a broken system/cultural bias that needs to be fixed because it does help make solving the problem easier.

Originally posted by Bardock42
A lot of the people I talk to and follow online are in favour of the civil rights movement and discuss just these kinds of issues. I read and watch a multitude of international and US media and pundits discussing issues of race in the US and abroad. Also the "white saviour complex" is a very well known trope you can read more about yourself if you are interested. Additionally I lived in multiple countries with different circumstances, but anecdotal evidence is obviously the weakest thing to go on.

Ok but we are specifically talking about America. Which you primary focus on, hearing from friends across the pond off some text on a computer screen is not the same thing as living in a culturally diverse area such as LA or NYC or Vegas or the South, or Texas. Did you know in California, whites are the minority now? Have you ever been robbed at gunpoint?

The race talks abroad are not relevant to this conversation. Anecdotal is real life, vs , your made up theories of how things are. But since you are liberal, no experience is necessary for a say running for president.

Originally posted by Bardock42
There is racism in white liberals of course,

K, we are getting somewhere...maybe...

Originally posted by Bardock42
..it's just not really the way you describe it. What you are complaining about is really mostly a misunderstanding of the white saviour complex, which does exist, but is not generally aimed at black people living in the US, it's more liberal and religious white Americans thinking they have to save "Africa" in some way.

Ha! So close! Sorry, no, that's not it. It's literally about progressives thinking and actually coddling black [American] people. What you describe is an entirely separate issue.

Originally posted by Bardock42
Almost no one in favour of civil rights thinks that Black people are savages or incapable of helping themselves

Granted, this is a strawman of my actual point. So, at this point, it is not necessary to address this. 👆

Originally posted by Newjak
I'm sorry but that just is not logically true. It does not conclude that the desire to help...

Depends on your motivations for helping and exactly what constitutes that help.

Since I'm referring to a specific type of white person*, yeah, it does mean that.

*And they are numerous.

Originally posted by dadudemon

Originally posted by Bardock42
Almost no one in favour of civil rights thinks that Black people are savages or incapable of helping themselves

Granted, this is a strawman of my actual point. So, at this point, it is not necessary to address this. 👆

Originally posted by dadudemon

"ohhhh, poor black people! They are so savage and helpless! They need me to rescue them." <- That's pretty racist and that's what quite a bit of the American liberal sentiment boils down to.

Just leaving this here.

Did you know that a black person can get a job at McDonalds now a days and do well for themselves? Or many other places, like Walmart. I'm sick and tired of hearing black people cannot move up, its completely untrue. And that somehow they are still oppressed.

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
Did you know that a black person can get a job at McDonalds now a days and do well for themselves? Or many other places, like Walmart. I'm sick and tired of hearing black people cannot movie up, its completely untrue. And that somehow they are still oppressed.

You're joking, right?

Originally posted by dadudemon
If you refuse to acknowledge that there is a large swathe of racism endemic in Liberal America (which is acknowledged by liberal and/or black Americans (not mutually exclusive groups)), then you have no part in this conversation. We can't discuss moving a large rock if you refuse to believe the rock exists to begin with.

That much is obvious. But people like Bardock42 think that issue doesn't exist and the liberal white people in America just can't be racist because all they want to help the "poor savage black people."

http://www.columbiatribune.com/a/rop/progressives-coddling-hurts-blacks/article_d331ed30-0c1e-11e3-99b6-10604b9f1ff4.html

I don't agree with this guy's cut-throat education solution but I do agree with his underpinning point: progessive coddling is just another form of racism.

And let's not forget that if you're black and not liberal, "you're a dumb person of color that has been brain-washed by racist white people."

http://www.nationalreview.com/article/275013/patronizing-progressives-pallor-michelle-malkin

Let me try to explain it to you.

Let's say we have two people. They have the same mental and physical abilities. The only difference is that one has blue eyes the other has brown. These two people exist in a world where the only job is moving basketball sized debris from one area to another. That is how they get payed that is how they earn a living. The only technology that exists to help with this job is wheel-barrows. Now the problem is that the blue eyed people were not allowed to own wheel-barrows so that guy couldn't use one while the brown eyed person owns 10. This makes the brown eyed person more productive even though they have the same physical/mental facilities. Now at some point it becomes legal for the blue eyed person to have a wheel barrow but the brown eyed person already has most of the wheel barrows and the blue eyed person can not afford a new one because they haven't been as productive as the brown eyed person. They want to make one but the materials for making wheel barrows are also costly to come by. Eventually though he is able to scrap by and get one wheel barrow. In the mean time the one with ten was able to get another ten i nthat same time span.

Now the two people die soon after that though and have two children each. The brown eyed person passes 10 wheel barrows to each child of his while the blue eyed person could only pass down one wheel barrow that his children have to share.

The brown eyed people continue to thrive while the blued children are just barely getting buy. Once again these children are like their parents completely equal in every way. Each of the brown eyed kids can use a wheel barrow and so they are twice as productive as their parent was. The blue eyed kids each have to take a turn with the wheel barrow while the other one has to use their hands. They are still not as productive as the brown eyed people because they simply do not have the means to keep up. They work hard though and procure another wheel barrow before they die. The brown eyed ones not forced to worry get another ten wheel barrows each.

Now each of those people also have two children a piece. So now each brown eyed child still gets 10 wheel barrows apiece. Only 2 of the blue eyed children can have a wheel barrow but one still get left out.

Now one of the brown eyed people are starting to notice a unfair pattern. The blue eyed people simply can not keep up because they're ability to gain wheel barrows as been extremely limited and biased from the beginning even though they know they are equals. That brown eyed person decides to help fix a broken system by offering 2 of their wheel barrows to the blue eyed community not because he thinks they are weak or savagee or can not produce but because the system has stacked the deck against them and they need help.

You're that one guy saying the person trying to help is the racist one when all they're doing is confirming a broken system and trying to help fix a system that has overtly favored them over another group. You're whole line of reasoning is absurd and your reasoning is part of the problem.

Originally posted by AbnormalButSane
You're joking, right?

No, and with free education that many blacks can easily qualify for, its entirely possible to move up as far as a person wants to go. Politician, Doctor, CEO, President.

Obama is primary example.

Originally posted by dadudemon
Depends on your motivations for helping and exactly what constitutes that help.

Since I'm referring to a specific type of white person*, yeah, it does mean that.

*And they are numerous.

So please by all means tell me what your source is.

Originally posted by Bardock42
Just leaving this here.

Just leaving this here:

Originally posted by dadudemon
You really did miss my point.

"ohhhh, poor black people! They are so savage and helpless! They need me to rescue them." <- That's pretty racist and that's what quite a bit of the American liberal sentiment boils down to.

Originally posted by dadudemon
Because they think the black community cannot "do it without me", they are indirectly implying that even if they do not acknowledge it directly.

Do you honestly think that I think that American Progressives say: "ohhhh, poor black people! They are so savage and helpless! They need me to rescue them."

Because that is quite a bit of mental gymnastics on your part. 😐

Originally posted by dadudemon
Just leaving this here:

Do you honestly think that I think that American Progressives say: "ohhhh, poor black people! They are so savage and helpless! They need me to rescue them."

Because that is quite a bit of mental gymnastics on your part. 😐

There are stats to back up your claim. It's just a way you're trying to demonize liberals while ignoring an actual racial discrimination problem.

Originally posted by dadudemon

Do you honestly think that I think that American Progressives say: "ohhhh, poor black people! They are so savage and helpless! They need me to rescue them."

Because that is quite a bit of mental gymnastics on your part. 😐

Damn this was ownage.

Originally posted by dadudemon
Just leaving this here:

Do you honestly think that I think that American Progressives say: "ohhhh, poor black people! They are so savage and helpless! They need me to rescue them."

Because that is quite a bit of mental gymnastics on your part. 😐

You can't exactly blame Bardock for your poor argument.

Originally posted by Newjak
You're that one guy saying the person trying to help is the racist one when all they're doing is confirming a broken system and trying to help fix a system that has overtly favored them over another group. You're whole line of reasoning is absurd and your reasoning is part of the problem.

Let's avoid false-analogies and strawman metaphors and literally stick with what I stated. It avoids lengthy posts.

Nope. I'm not that one guy. I'm that one guy literally stating that racist progressives are being racist when they think black people are too dumb, stupid, and incapable of helping themselves and need white power to get anywhere.

I asked for an example from Bardock42 that avoids this conondrum and he hid behind words (he does that). He didn't actually offer anything.

Here's a hint: throwing money at black people is not a solution and that represents part of what I'm talking about. Sure, money helps, but it needs to be done in a way that is more than just trying to help subversively racist white people rid themselves of their white guilt.

But I'm open to actual solutions. Do you have any? Several black professors have solutions...I should research those...

Originally posted by dadudemon
Let's avoid false-analogies and strawman metaphors and literally stick with what I stated. It avoids lengthy posts.

Nope. I'm not that one guy. I'm that one guy literally stating that racist progressives are being racist when they think black people are too dumb, stupid, and incapable of helping themselves and [b]need white power to get anywhere.

I asked for an example from Bardock42 that avoids this conondrum and he hid behind words (he does that). He didn't actually offer anything.

Here's a hint: throwing money at black people is not a solution and that represents part of what I'm talking about. Sure, money helps, but it needs to be done in a way that is more than just trying to help subversively racist white people rid themselves of their white guilt.

But I'm open to actual solutions. Do you have any? Several black professors have solutions...I should research those... [/B]

AND it is not a conundrum. You're only making it out to be one. By wanting to help solve the racial problem does not make you a racist or a person believes black people are inferior in anyway in terms of actual human capabilities.

At this point I actually feel like you're derailing this thread with just silly claims.