Goku vs Superman Death Battle-Discuss

Originally posted by carver9
I'm pretty sure this didn't happen. Let's say it did happen (even though it didn't) 'before' Gohan unlocked his 'full/hidden potential' (I know you see where I'm going with this) then his statement was still true. Also, my statement above wasn't even about King Kai. It was mainly about Supreme and Old Kai. The see'ers of the Universe. The ones who knows all...especially about Beerus. If you're exempting one thing they said about Beerus, you need to exempt ALL, including the organ and his purpose in the Universe. If they don't know how powerful this guy is, who does and how can we take any of what they say about him for granted? Yungz just retconned DBS.

the point is yall saying staements equal feats when there is no other information other than the person saying it. example can you tell me how beerus destroys universe

your calling king kai an a knowing diety yet he doesnt know that goku had the potential to beat a super saiyan

Originally posted by yungz22
the point is yall saying staements equal feats when there is no other information other than the person saying it. example can you tell me how beerus destroys universe

your calling king kai an a knowing diety yet he doesnt know that goku had the potential to beat a super saiyan

Yeah, you are most def blind. Like need two sets of contacts in one eye blind. When did I say ANYTHING about King Kai? Direct me please.

Also, the see'ers of the Universe said Beerus is a Universe buster. Argue with them. Statements in DBZ is different than statements in comics.

Example, when Gohan was asked to fight Frieza, he said "I can't beat him". Was this a true statement Yungz? Gohan didn't fight Frieza with his new power. Is that a hype statement for Frieza. How is that true and would we accept that statement as an indication of power for Frieza. After all, it is just a statement. What if someone said first form Frieza is>>>>>> super Buu (the same Buu that Gohan stomped who is also greater than Super Saiyan 3 Goku), would that be a lie? After all, it's just a statement and per Yungz, we do not accept power statements in DBZ. Please answer this and explain why.

My question to you Yungz is, can FIRST FORM FRIEZA, beat Super Buu? If so, why can he beat him? If not, please explain why he can't beat him.

Haven't you discovered not long ago that he's a sock account?

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Haven't you discovered not long ago that he's a sock account?

Lol...yeah, I was the one to discover it.

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Originally posted by carver9
Scans?

Don't give me scan bullshi Carver. You and I both know what comic am referring too.

Some people may call you a fanboy when it comes to you're characters, but at the end I know you're decent debater, so let's not insult each other intelligence by asking for scans, when we all know the comic I refer too.

ahh its funny how they deflect..... btw i love dbz its a legendary anime goku just cant beat superman. this man has lifted infinity among many other feats that show he has zero limits as a character. superman is a broken character his limits are unbound.

Originally posted by yungz22
superman is a broken character his limits are unbound.

Yet he gets his ass handed to him all the time, like every other comic character.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Yet he gets his ass handed to him all the time, like every other comic character.

deflection again but i digress.

btw also i even like goku more than superman for the fact that he isnt broken i just kno he cant beat superman because supermab is always as strong as he needs to be. goku isnt and he needs to work hard to reach new heights

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Yet he gets his ass handed to him all the time, like every other comic character.

And you act like Goku doesn't get his ass kicked all the time. Goku is even worse than Kal when it comes to aspect.

Originally posted by SquallX
Don't give me scan bullshi Carver. You and I both know what comic am referring too.

Some people may call you a fanboy when it comes to you're characters, but at the end I know you're decent debater, so let's not insult each other intelligence by asking for scans, when we all know the comic I refer too.

Magical book with infinite pages?

Originally posted by yungz22
ahh its funny how they deflect..... btw i love dbz its a legendary anime goku just cant beat superman. this man has lifted infinity among many other feats that show he has zero limits as a character. superman is a broken character his limits are unbound.

And he takes a beating by people that Goku would annihilate. The ONLY way Superman stands a fighting chance against Goku is if we debate entirely on high showings. On average, Superman gets creamed.

Originally posted by yungz22
deflection again but i digress.

btw also i even like goku more than superman for the fact that he isnt broken i just kno he cant beat superman because supermab is always as strong as he needs to be. goku isnt and he needs to work hard to reach new heights

This isn't true. Superman has failed to lift things and hurt characters just like any powerful person has.

Originally posted by carver9
I'm pretty sure this didn't happen. Let's say it did happen (even though it didn't) 'before' Gohan unlocked his 'full/hidden potential' (I know you see where I'm going with this) then his statement was still true. Also, my statement above wasn't even about King Kai. It was mainly about Supreme and Old Kai. The see'ers of the Universe. The ones who knows all...especially about Beerus. If you're exempting one thing they said about Beerus, you need to exempt ALL, including the organ and his purpose in the Universe. If they don't know how powerful this guy is, who does and how can we take any of what they say about him for granted? Yungz just retconned DBS.

The same Kai's that didn't know anything about Saiyans? The ones that "know all" that were surprised when Gohan powered up? The same all knowing beings that didn't know what the Z Sword was all about? Those guys?

Originally posted by juggerman
The same Kai's that didn't know anything about Saiyans? The ones that "know all" that were surprised when Gohan powered up? The same all knowing beings that didn't know what the Z Sword was all about? Those guys?

Akira explained it best. Thanks for the post Galan.

In the film Dragon Ball Z: Battle of Gods, coming out in March 2013, a new god, the "God of Destruction", appears. In this [book], Kaio-sama and Kaioshin-sama are described as "Gods of Creation", but do they have the power to create things like planets?

AT:_"Rather than Kaioshin-sama making planets, he is able to provide the impetus for them to be born. Also, he will sometimes divide up one planet and increase the number of planets. He will even do things like create life-forms, or transplant them from another planet, but his basic job is to watch over the numerous planets._Because the number of planets is so very large, the four Kaio-sama help him out as well. They intervene if it appears that the world's balance will crumble, but normally, they merely act in an advisory role for new life-forms, and don't get involved. In order to provide a balance to the constantly increasing number of planets, the God of Destruction destroys [them], but he does not act on Kaioshin's orders; he destroys according to his own individual judgment. Except, he is capricious, so he will destroy even an important world without a second thought, or when he finds it bothersome, let someone else act as an agent of destruction."_

They oversee everything in the Universe but they don't put their attention everywhere but they sure as hell know about Beerus and everything they've said has been right so far. Like I said before, if you're going to discredit one thing that has been said about someone's power level, you need to discredit ALL; every franking statement. There's no picking and choosing here and from what I am seeing, that's exactly what 'you' are doing since I've seen you debate exactly on that, statements. I remember having a debate with you on Goku Super Saiyan 3 transformation being more powerful than Super Buu and you brought up a statement from Goku where he said he still couldn't beat this Buu. Let's not be a hypocrite. Stay consistent my friend.

KibitoKai is definitely not all-knowing, lol... Not even close. For example: he didn't know a thing about Beerus, the friggin God of Destruction, who's been around form millionS of years destroying shit. He also had no clue there were powers in the universe(aside from Majin Boo) that vastly eclipsed his own--he knew of Freeza, and that's about it. It's clear he paid very little attention to the mortal plane, and was content spending his time building worlds and seeding them with life. After all, he did have to take-on the jobs of 4 other Kaioshin after Boo slaughtered them... That's one hell of a burden, so I don't mind him being exceptionally uninformed at times.

Conversely, Elder Kaioshin, while certainly not omniscient, is probably the closest thing to an all-knowing character we've seen in DB. He seems to have an answer for pretty much everything.

Originally posted by carver9
Akira explained it best. Thanks for the post Galan.

In the film Dragon Ball Z: Battle of Gods, coming out in March 2013, a new god, the "God of Destruction", appears. In this [book], Kaio-sama and Kaioshin-sama are described as "Gods of Creation", but do they have the power to create things like planets?

AT:_"Rather than Kaioshin-sama making planets, he is able to provide the impetus for them to be born. Also, he will sometimes divide up one planet and increase the number of planets. He will even do things like create life-forms, or transplant them from another planet, but his basic job is to watch over the numerous planets._Because the number of planets is so very large, the four Kaio-sama help him out as well. They intervene if it appears that the world's balance will crumble, but normally, they merely act in an advisory role for new life-forms, and don't get involved. In order to provide a balance to the constantly increasing number of planets, the God of Destruction destroys [them], but he does not act on Kaioshin's orders; he destroys according to his own individual judgment. Except, he is capricious, so he will destroy even an important world without a second thought, or when he finds it bothersome, let someone else act as an agent of destruction."_

They oversee everything in the Universe but they don't put their attention everywhere but they sure as hell know about Beerus and everything they've said has been right so far. Like I said before, if you're going to discredit one thing that has been said about someone's power level, you need to discredit ALL; every franking statement. There's no picking and choosing here and from what I am seeing, that's exactly what 'you' are doing since I've seen you debate exactly on that, statements. I remember having a debate with you on Goku Super Saiyan 3 transformation being more powerful than Super Buu and you brought up a statement from Goku where he said he still couldn't beat this Buu. Let's not be a hypocrite. Stay consistent my friend.

Im just pointing out that you were wrong when you said they knew everything. They don't and have been wrong about things so their word is not infallible as you claim. I'm not at all saying they are wrong about this particular situation but for you to paint them as beings that can't be wrong is out and out wrong. Sorry you have a problem with that friend.

I based it on more than just a statement. There was also the fact that Goku stated that Buucolo could be beaten by Gohan but left himself out, there was Piccolo telling us SSJ1 Gotenks was around SSJ3 Goku's power, there was the fight between SSJ1 Gotenks and Buu which showed that level was insufficient, then we have Gotenks only able to take he fight to Bui after going SSJ3 which is a boost of 8x over SSJ Goku. Don't omit stuff to try to prove your point cuz you'll just end up looking bad bud

That's not the only time you used statements though. When you (yes you) debate DBZ characters, your entire debating style is based on statements. Let's not point out the statements you used proving DB GT Goku power level vs DBZ characters power levels. Your entire argument is based entirely on statements while ignoring fts. If you want to debate nothing but fts concerning DBZ characters, then be consistent and if you are being consistent then you yourself need to admit that Frieza, even while weakened is greater than anything in DBGT based solely on fts.

You are picking and choosing when it comes to the Kai's by the way.

Statements are the primary source of canon information in DB. Remember, these are characters who are intimately familiar with controlling, and sensing, ki... Toriyama doesn't have them just walking around spouting nonsense/hyperbole all the time.

That said, statements made in DB should be taken as fact until proven otherwise. There are some exceptions to this, but not many.