Faora (Man of Steel) vs. John Connor

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
So extreme trama of getting his head ripped off won't work.

I highly suspect his head being ripped off would have worse affect them that cutting laser.

This does not have to be *** for tat here.

I get you like arguing as much as you can against kryptonias in every situation but this isn't even a fight.

It's a slaughter.

We already know that the T1000 can be damaged by extreme heat (or extreme cold). We also know that laser guns in the future can make short work of terminators so it makes sense that lasers can hurt John. Not because of how hard they hit but because of their extreme temperatures.

Faora can punch or kick, that's blunt trauma. Extreme trauma sure but still blunt trauma. Blunt trauma != heat/energy damage.

I don't recall the T1000 or T3000 ever sustaining severe damage from blunt trauma so you're going to have to prove that getting his head ripped off will incapacitate him.

You may not like me arguing about kryptonians but these are valid points I'm bringing up. Please don't diss them just because you think (incorrectly) that I have a bias against kryptonians.

Originally posted by FrothByte
We already know that the T1000 can be damaged by extreme heat (or extreme cold). We also know that laser guns in the future can make short work of terminators so it makes sense that lasers can hurt John. Not because of how hard they hit but because of their extreme temperatures.

Faora can punch or kick, that's blunt trauma. Extreme trauma sure but still blunt trauma. Blunt trauma != heat/energy damage.

I don't recall the T1000 or T3000 ever sustaining severe damage from blunt trauma so you're going to have to prove that getting his head ripped off will incapacitate him.

You may not like me arguing about kryptonians but these are valid points I'm bringing up. Please don't diss them just because you think (incorrectly) that I have a bias against kryptonians.

I agree with most of what you're saying here.. and agree this is a stalemate as I just don't know how she puts him down. That said, getting kicked and punched is pretty much the definition of blunt force trauma

Originally posted by FrothByte
We already know that the T1000 can be damaged by extreme heat (or extreme cold). We also know that laser guns in the future can make short work of terminators so it makes sense that lasers can hurt John. Not because of how hard they hit but because of their extreme temperatures.

Faora can punch or kick, that's blunt trauma. Extreme trauma sure but still blunt trauma. Blunt trauma != heat/energy damage.

I don't recall the T1000 or T3000 ever sustaining severe damage from blunt trauma so you're going to have to prove that getting his head ripped off will incapacitate him.

You may not like me arguing about kryptonians but these are valid points I'm bringing up. Please don't diss them just because you think (incorrectly) that I have a bias against kryptonians.

Might as well say T-1000 and Faora is a stalemate then, this is pretty stupid at this point.

You can have the last word, does not change the fact that Faora rips his head off and tosses it into space. Its a no limits fallacy to assume he can just keep reneging his head when he was shown to have trouble with a steak through his chest.

A couple speaker magnets gave Connor trouble.

Originally posted by Robtard
A couple speaker magnets gave Connor trouble.

LOL!

/thread

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
Might as well say T-1000 and Faora is a stalemate then, this is pretty stupid at this point.

You can have the last word, does not change the fact that Faora rips his head off and tosses it into space. Its a no limits fallacy to assume he can just keep reneging his head when he was shown to have trouble with a steak through his chest.

Connor can rearrange his particles so that his hand becomes his head and his legs become his torso. Ripping off his head won't be ripping off his head, it will just be ripping off part of him.

Besides, how does Faora throw it into space when the particles can just flow around Faora's hand as soon as she tries to throw it.

And yes, Faora would have similar trouble with T1000 though not as much seeing as John's particles are able to fly whereas the T1000's liquid metal can't.

And no, Faora doesn't have some bigass magnets on her that I recall.

Just because someone doesn't agree with your point doesn't make it "stupid". You can't keep basing the winner of these fights in just how strong or fast someone hits. At least not when one combatant is nigh intangible.

Nigh intangible, I think you are confusing Dr. Manhattan with Conner.

Once she gives him one good hit, why would he stay solid and try to scrap with someone so vastly stronger than him?

That's a good point on why is he getting a no limits fallacy here. He had trouble with vastly weaker creatures and tech. He was never hit with anything as powerful as Faora. One hit from her might completely overload his system and it isn't s stretch to think so based on him being harmed by speaker magnets.

But you can't really compare punching him to magnets screwing with him because they're magnets and he's a cloud of nanites.

It's like saying because tachyon energy dispersed Manhattan, a good punch to the jaw will beat him.

Not really because Manhattan could be intangible at will and still hold his form. Conner can't.

You're missing my point which is different types of damage will effect him differently. You can't compare a magnet interfering with his tech because of what he is to getting punched.

Someone can be bulletproof, but a random with a knife can ruin their day. That doesn't suddenly mean bullets work.

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
That's a good point on why is he getting a no limits fallacy here. He had trouble with vastly weaker creatures and tech. He was never hit with anything as powerful as Faora. One hit from her might completely overload his system and it isn't s stretch to think so based on him being harmed by speaker magnets.

What no limits fallacy are you talking about? In the movie whenever John gets hit with something too strong that he can't tank then he simply didperses with the blow and reassembles later.

Faora's punches aren't magnetic nor do they have extreme temperature. She ain't overloading his system by simple punches... unless you have proof to back up that claim?

Oh ur right. Conner wins based on him not beating anyone on top of not beating anyone on Faoras level.😂 keep dreaming

You might as well be using the argument that Khan beats MoS based on him never encountering the bootleg gun.

He never said Connor wins. He said Faora with her purely physical power set can't take him down.

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
Oh ur right. Conner wins based on him not beating anyone on top of not beating anyone on Faoras level.😂 keep dreaming

When did I ever say Connor wins? I called it a stalemate. At least unless Faora figures out a better way to take John out.

Lol right. Cause you have to have the exact same power set as what magnets?

Originally posted by Robtard
Making up powers isn't a valid argument though. It would be no different than someone saying "Faora wins via nanite-disrupter clap".

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
Lol right. Cause you have to have the exact same power set as what magnets?

Sigh. Do you even understand why John was susceptible to magnets?

Are speaker magnets the only way to defeat John now?