Do you see the problem with thinking that?
What your saying is he can only be beaten by only certain plot devices.
Lasers didn't actually kill him, they slowed him down, so your saying he can only be defeated by speaker magnets and chronodevice.
Thats a no limits fallacy.
He never faced anyone even 1/1000's the power of Faora.
Originally posted by FrothByte
IMO, Connor's best chance at winning this is breaking Faora's helmet, hit her as hard as he can and hope to KO her. But I'm not sure if he's even strong enough to damage that helmet.
Breaking the helmet, could result in a overlord of Faora (all the new impressions similar to what happened to Zod) however it toke multiple punches from a pissed off Superman to break it, so I highly doubt Connor can do that. And if he should manage he would also risk Faora unlocking the full aspect of her kryptonian abilities.
Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
Do you see the problem with thinking that?What your saying is he can only be beaten by only certain plot devices.
Lasers didn't actually kill him, they slowed him down, so your saying he can only be defeated by speaker magnets and chronodevice.
Thats a no limits fallacy.
He never faced anyone even 1/1000's the power of Faora.
All those things I mentioned were proven ways to hurt John. John has also proven that blunt trauma attacks don't keep him down. Apply a little logic and understand how John's powers work and it should be obvious why simply hitting him won't work.
You throw around "no limit fallacy" a bit too freely. I could just as easily accuse you of no limits fallacy for thinking that Faora can overcome any obstacle by simply overpowering it.
If I give a child a whole tub of water and tell him to punch the water as hard as he can... do you think he'll destroy the water?
Then I get an adult and make him do the same thing. He's stronger than the kid so he must have a better chance right? Wrong. He fails at destroying water.
Your logic is that Faora can destroy the water because she's just so much stronger than the man.
If you can provide even 1 shred of proof that an overwhelming amount of blunt trauma can harm John then you'll have something. Otherwise you're the one using no limits fallacy. I'm just using logic.
Originally posted by Utrigita
Breaking the helmet, could result in a overlord of Faora (all the new impressions similar to what happened to Zod) however it toke multiple punches from a pissed off Superman to break it, so I highly doubt Connor can do that. And if he should manage he would also risk Faora unlocking the full aspect of her kryptonian abilities.
My memory of MOS is blurry but IIRC, it was Zod's helmet that took multiple hits from Superman. Faora's just needed 1 face slam to get damaged. Or I could be wrong.
Anyway, I'm also skeptical if John is strong enough to damage that helmet. I'm just pointing it out as a viable option.
Originally posted by FrothByte
All those things I mentioned were proven ways to hurt John. John has also proven that blunt trauma attacks don't keep him down. Apply a little logic and understand how John's powers work and it should be obvious why simply hitting him won't work.You throw around "no limit fallacy" a bit too freely. I could just as easily accuse you of no limits fallacy for thinking that Faora can overcome any obstacle by simply overpowering it.
If I give a child a whole tub of water and tell him to punch the water as hard as he can... do you think he'll destroy the water?
Then I get an adult and make him do the same thing. He's stronger than the kid so he must have a better chance right? Wrong. He fails at destroying water.
Your logic is that Faora can destroy the water because she's just so much stronger than the man.
If you can provide even 1 shred of proof that an overwhelming amount of blunt trauma can harm John then you'll have something. Otherwise you're the one using no limits fallacy. I'm just using logic.
You can't destroy water you can only evaporate it or dilute it.
You still can't counter him being tossed into space.
Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
You can't destroy water you can only evaporate it or dilute it.You still can't counter him being tossed into space.
I'm just trying to point out that pure strength and blunt trauma won't always be enough to destroy something. Considering that John can change his shape and become formless and nearly intangible then it's safe to say he shares some behavioral traits as water.
As for throwing him into space I already answered that. He disperses into a nanite cloud and just flies back.
Originally posted by FrothByte
At least there's proof he can fly. There's no proof Faora can grab something as intangible as a cloud of nanites.How's she going to throw him if he disolves into a nanite cloud when she grabs him?
No proof he can fly. Unless levitating a bit above the ground is "flying"
Funny you just make stuff up now. I might as well say Faira can "fly."
Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
No proof he can fly. Unless levitating a bit above the ground is "flying"Funny you just make stuff up now. I might as well say Faira can "fly."
You need to rewatch the movie. Multiple times he dissolved into a cloud and flew/moved around. Briefly yes but it was more than just levitating.
You still haven't answered the question of how Faora can throw him if he becomes a nanite cloud.
Originally posted by FrothByte
My memory of MOS is blurry but IIRC, it was Zod's helmet that took multiple hits from Superman. Faora's just needed 1 face slam to get damaged. Or I could be wrong.Anyway, I'm also skeptical if John is strong enough to damage that helmet. I'm just pointing it out as a viable option.
But wasn't their equipment basically similar? I mean the armor looked very identical, I must also admit that I don't recall Faoras mask being damaged, so I don't know.
I know, I'm just pointing out that damaging the helmet might not work out to his advantage, if he decides to go that route, which is possible, he will probably assume that the air is toxic to her, or something similar.
Originally posted by NemeBro
The longer the fight goes on, the stronger Fiora gets. This is ignoring that Faora should frankly be strong enough to put him into the atmosphere, incinerating him.Faora might have to get a little creative, but her opponent has no way of harming her.
Yes and no. More exposure to earth's atmosphere may get her stronger as time passes but more time fighting will also start to tire her. Plus it's questionable how much of earth's atmosphere she can absorb without removing her mask and armor.