Faora (Man of Steel) vs. John Connor

Started by Time-Immemorial6 pages

Originally posted by FrothByte
You need to rewatch the movie. Multiple times he dissolved into a cloud and flew/moved around. Briefly yes but it was more than just levitating.

You still haven't answered the question of how Faora can throw him if he becomes a nanite cloud.

He can't fly anymore then Faora could. In fact Faora can "fly" further then anything he did. Where is your proof he can move vast distances while being tossed at supersonic speeds?

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
He can't fly anymore then Faora could. In fact Faora can "fly" further then anything he did. Where is your proof he can move vast distances while being tossed at supersonic speeds?

Before we get into that, you first need to prove that Faora can toss him at supersonic speed. You still haven't ansered how Faora can grab hold of him and throw him if he dissolved into a nanite cloud.

Originally posted by FrothByte
Before we get into that, you first need to prove that Faora can toss him at supersonic speed. You still haven't ansered how Faora can grab hold of him and throw him if he dissolved into a nanite cloud.

Considering Namek tossed a train at extremely fast speed and the average hits from Mos was doing the same to Zod when he had to fly to catch up to him after each hit. There is no nanite cloud btw.

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
Considering Namek tossed a train at extremely fast speed and the average hits from Mos was doing the same to Zod when he had to fly to catch up to him after each hit. There is no nanite cloud btw.

What do you mean there's no nanite cloud? Are you simply going to ignore feats from the movie?

Besides, the Kryptonians were throwing each other around a couple blocks only, maybe a couple of kms max. So even if Faora managed to throw John she'd just throw him to another part of NY a kilometer or so away. That's not BFR. And nowhere close to throwing him into orbit.

Pretty sure if someone can toss a train a like a toy across town they can toss a smaller object much further.

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
Pretty sure if someone can toss a train a like a toy across town they can toss a smaller object much further.

Who's using no limits fallacy now?

If it was that easy then Superman could have simply thrown Namek or Faora into orbit. He's the strongest kryptonian and the other teo couldn't fly. But he wasn't able to throw them anywhere near that distance. You're grasping at straws here.

Same reason why ****ing Armstrong and Raiden don't punch eachother into ****ing orbit when they hit eachother, even though Raiden can chuck ****ing Metal Gears and Armstrong can overpower him, despite both being only human sized

You could use that argument in any fictional universe between characters of a similar calibre

Originally posted by FrothByte
Who's using no limits fallacy now?

If it was that easy then Superman could have simply thrown Namek or Faora into orbit. He's the strongest kryptonian and the other teo couldn't fly. But he wasn't able to throw them anywhere near that distance. You're grasping at straws here.

You lost the argument, just give up.

1,000 ton train vs 200lb's..

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
You lost the argument, just give up.

1,000 ton train vs 200lb's..

Couple of blocks vs. 70 miles.

IIRC it wasn't even Faora who threw that train car.

You can't get around the nanite cloud problem so you choose to simply ignore it. You have no proof that the Kryptonians can throw something into orbit so you ignore it. Heck, you're even attributing a strength feat to Faora that was done by someone else. You probably don't even know what John's weight is.

Oh wait so cause Nam threw it, it means Faora can't?

SMH..it was very clear they all had equal strength.

It could not have been more clear.

Guess you conveniently dodged (again) the other points I raised.

Originally posted by FrothByte
Couple of blocks vs. 70 miles.

IIRC it wasn't even Faora who threw that train car.

You can't get around the nanite cloud problem so you choose to simply ignore it. You have no proof that the Kryptonians can throw something into orbit so you ignore it. Heck, you're even attributing a strength feat to Faora that was done by someone else. You probably don't even know what John's weight is.

There is no nanite cloud problem, it simply does not exist. He moved his body from one place to another, which you have now said based on that "He can fly", "he's intangible" and whatever else. Might as well say he can teleport and become god.

Connor will be tough to put down, but I wouldn't really call it a stalemate when one is like 100 times stronger and faster than the other, because the superior combatant will be controlling the fight.

Connor's not always intangible, so there will definitely be small opportunities to throw him. And Faora should be fast enough to take advantage IMO.

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
There is no nanite cloud problem, it simply does not exist. He moved his body from one place to another, which you have now said based on that "He can fly", "he's intangible" and whatever else. Might as well say he can teleport and become god.

I think I understand where you're coming from now. I just realized you have yet to watch Terminator Genisys. That's the only explanation why you're completely unfamiliar with Connor's feats.

Originally posted by FrothByte
I think I understand where you're coming from now. I just realized you have yet to watch Terminator Genisys. That's the only explanation why you're completely unfamiliar with Connor's feats.

Just like you are unaware of Faora's feats.

And what DarkThor said.

Strength and speed was not equalized among the Kryptonians. Faora was fast, Nam-Ek was strong. Zod developed all his powers fast.

All of them excelled in different areas and lacked in others.

Originally posted by KingD19
Strength and speed was not equalized among the Kryptonians. Faora was fast, Nam-Ek was strong. Zod developed all his powers fast.

All of them excelled in different areas and lacked in others.

Zod got them faster cause he took his suit off.

Namek was not any stronger then any of them.

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
Zod got them faster cause he took his suit off.

Namek was not any stronger then any of them.

Zod got them faster because he was Zod. Faora got her helmet knocked off and didn't fully recover. Zod got his off and became a match for Clark almost immediately.

Nam-Ek beat him down better than Zod did. It was clear from his size he was supposed to be the tank of the group.

Actually MoS took care of Nam, and then he had to launch a train at him to pin Mos down for a period of time. It was clear MOS was just as strong.

Zod got his powers together cause he knew if Kal could have the powers, so could he. Faora, Nam was never given the chance.

And it was clear Clark was stronger than Faora.

As for Nam-Ek, Zod and Clark fought evenly pretty much the entire time. Nam-Ek on the other hand slung Clark around and physically overwhelmed him for a bit.

And Zod got his powers because he was a military genius designed for this type of thing. He did in minutes what it took Clark decades to figure out. Let's no compare the soldiers to the general in terms of tactical effectiveness.