Originally posted by BeyonderGod
Superman was/is Herald level....
Even in this non-canon crossover Superman with the Power Cosmic was the second most powerful being in the Universe, as stated by your scan, a Universe with Odin, Ego, Dormammu, Celestials etc in it. Yeah Herald level my ass.
Oh and I would still rank this Kryptonian below OWAW Superman, FC Superman and Sundipped Superman.
Originally posted by Mr Master
That's the concept of 'synergy' at work if you ask me.It's impressive that the culmination of their clashing rang a bell across the universe,
but this is not a universal feat, even taking the 'synergetic' affect into account.Why? Because they didn't cause universal adverse affects. The damage was infinitely below that.
I get what you are saying, but also even being able to ring a bell that sounds across the whole universe should be way way beyond someone who is merely herald level. Herald level beings shouldn't even be able to have an effect like that on an entire galaxy let alone the universe.
Originally posted by Juntai
Theres many creation tales.Just as Rao is the creator of the universe in kryptonian mythology.
Just as The Source is the creator to the New Gods.The same is true of multiple creation stories in Marvel.
But it doesn't matter if it was called a universe. We know creation isn't because we've seen other universes and timelines.
No random character statement is going to change that.
It was just being used interchangably, as multiverse was also used by the same character/author/title.
This is plain hypocrisy is the issue at hand though. For example, we've seen DC fans come here and argue the IG is only universal. Citing how in some arcs where Thanos had the IG universe was mentioned.. Even though, in the same arc this universe and ALL universeS were mentioned. Other issues with the IG show it having feats beyond Universal. Yet, we see the same people go nope, it said universe. So the same standards would have to apply here, and that is the issue at hand
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
This is plain hypocrisy is the issue at hand though. For example, we've seen DC fans come here and argue the IG is only universal. Citing how in some arcs where Thanos had the IG universe was mentioned.. Even though, in the same arc this universe and ALL universeS were mentioned. Other issues with the IG show it having feats beyond Universal. Yet, we see the same people go nope, it said universe. So the same standards would have to apply here, and that is the issue at hand
Which people here are doing what you are accusing them of doing? Apparently you can remember which specific posters were against the IG being more the universal, so enlighten us.
If the IG has feats that are beyond universal, then yes it is wrong to say it is universal. But because one character was lowballed it makes no sense to say "we must lowball another as well then". Instead, we should learn from it so it doesn't happen in the future.
Originally posted by KuRuPT ThanosiThis is plain hypocrisy is the issue at hand though.
For example, we've seen DC fans come here and argue the IG is only universal.
Citing how in some arcs where Thanos had the IG universe was mentioned..Even though, in the same arc this universe and ALL universeS were mentioned.
Other issues with the IG show it having feats beyond Universal.Yet, we see the same people go nope, it said universe.
Originally posted by Surtur
If the IG has feats that are beyond universal, then yes it is wrong to say it is universal.But because one character was lowballed it makes no sense to say "we must lowball another as well then".
Instead, we should learn from it so it doesn't happen in the future.
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Is somebody going to post something remotely impressive besides the Spectre showing
If you don't find the ability to destroy creation, multiversal creation, destroying dimensions by mere presence, and a boatload of statements from nigh-omniscient abstracts and writers to be "remotely impressive", then no. Nobody is going to post anything remotely impressive.
Lucifer and Michael are street level thugs.
Originally posted by Surtur
Which people here are doing what you are accusing them of doing? Apparently you can remember which specific posters were against the IG being more the universal, so enlighten us.If the IG has feats that are beyond universal, then yes it is wrong to say it is universal. But because one character was lowballed it makes no sense to say "we must lowball another as well then". Instead, we should learn from it so it doesn't happen in the future.
I don't need to name people really. However, OneZee (Abi) is one of them. Even the person I directly quoted and replied to has said the same thing. Oh it talked about Universe when thanos had the IG so the IG is only universal. Even though other terms were used and the feats back it up being more than universal. Yet here, it's oh don't mind that it said Universe... it also said this 2.... ummmm No, you've argued the opposite with other marvel artifacts. I agree with what you're saying in principle. I also never aligned myself one way or another on Lucifer and the universe question. All I'm illustrating is the blatant hypocrisy that goes on around here.
Originally posted by Cogito
If you don't find the ability to destroy creation, multiversal creation, destroying dimensions by mere presence, and a boatload of statements from nigh-omniscient abstracts and writers to be "remotely impressive", then no. Nobody is going to post anything remotely impressive.Lucifer and Michael are street level thugs.
You don't say... He was able to do all that on his own?