Rank Lucifer and Michael In Marvel Cosmology

Started by abhilegend15 pages

Originally posted by zopzop
No, you jumped in the middle of a discussion Surtur and I were having.

It started off with Big Bangs and ended here. Move along.


So nothing but your anguish over vertigo characters.

Keep hating Zop.

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Originally posted by abhilegend
So nothing but your anguish over vertigo characters.

Keep hating Zop.

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The only haters are the people losing their minds and attacking others for debating ambiguous feats by fictional characters.

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Originally posted by zopzop
The only haters are the people losing their minds and attacking others for debating ambiguous feats by fictional characters.

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So just you? Gotcha.

Not much impressive about Lucifer and Michael really... I'd say they are below eternity level.

Well, no scans, no argument for you.

And nobody cares, mind you.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Not much impressive about Lucifer and Michael really... I'd say they are below eternity level.

lol

Originally posted by abhilegend
Well, no scans, no argument for you.

And nobody cares, mind you.

Sure thing there OneZee... Get back to me when they do something remotely impressive on their own. Do tell me how powerful Lucifer... when he needs Michael's power to do anything impressive.

One-shotting Spectre isn't impressive?

Spectre fluctuates so much. It could be impressive sure, but it could also be meh worthy as well. Point is, they are complete powerful beings. One has the power, the other the will. If they each had both, that be an impressive being. However, when you're that limited as a whole, you can never go that high up on the hierarchy. Just the way it is. Though I would say it's an impressive feat... just nothing about Eternity

This was when Spectre was uber. Plus it was 3 times. I don't see any "skyfather" level being doing that.

Stupid has reached new heights mmm

Originally posted by Surtur

Marvel is so utterly retarded they wrote a bunch of people surviving an event
they couldn't of possibly truly survived on their own power
.

That just makes Marvel look shitty and like their writers don't know what they are doing.


Hey there friend.

I remember those scenes Zop is referring to, he didn't add, the reason why they are surviving:

It's because they're not meant to be hurt by said Big Bangs.

The "Big Bang" is different than a cosmic level blast,
because it is taking place in the first void, (there's only been one true "Big Bang," which others have repeated)
it appears, evidently actually,
anyone who is somehow present in this first void
rides the blast to their point of origin. (where ever they were supposed to be prior to reality imploding)

ie. They are 'participants' of the Big Bang, and as such play a small part in its purpose. So they can't be harmed by it likewise.

Durability is not a factor for those associated with the Big Bang.

Originally posted by Zack M
This was when Spectre was uber. Plus it was 3 times. I don't see any "skyfather" level being doing that.

Was he really uber? Do tell me the uber feats he had in the arc or just prior.

It's laughable to think somebody is that powerful when they aren't a complete being. It's like thinking Eternity is uber if he has the will power to do everything but is just lacking the power and needs to get it elsewhere. Would we really think Eternity is THAT badass? Of course not. He's incomplete. Same thing here

Originally posted by Mr Master
Hey there friend.

I remember those scenes Zop is referring to, he didn't add, the reason why they are surviving:

It's because they're not meant to be hurt by said Big Bangs.

The "Big Bang" is different than a cosmic level blast,
because it is taking place in the first void, (there's only been one true "Big Bang," which others have repeated)
it appears, evidently actually,
anyone who is somehow present in this first void
rides the blast to their point of origin. (where ever they were supposed to be prior to reality imploding)

ie. They are 'participants' of the Big Bang, and as such play a small part in its purpose. So they can't be harmed by it likewise.

Durability is not a factor for those associated with the Big Bang.

Which is EXACTLY why Lucifer "tanking" the multiversal energies of the big bang is utterly retarded. He did no such thing. The big bang was used to CREATE not destroy. Which is why it's not a durability feat. It's idiotic to even assume somebody responsible for the big bang and creating thing is himself subject to being hurt. Doesn't get much dumber than that. How are energies meant to create also meant to destroy and erase? how does that work exactly?

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Which is EXACTLY why Lucifer "tanking" the multiversal energies of the big bang is utterly retarded. He did no such thing. The big bang was used to CREATE not destroy. Which is why it's not a durability feat. It's idiotic to even assume somebody responsible for the big bang and creating thing is himself subject to being hurt. Doesn't get much dumber than that. How are energies meant to create also meant to destroy and erase? how does that work exactly?

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I needed a good laugh, thank you for that.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Which is EXACTLY why Lucifer "tanking" the multiversal energies of the big bang is utterly retarded. He did no such thing. The big bang was used to CREATE not destroy. Which is why it's not a durability feat. It's idiotic to even assume somebody responsible for the big bang and creating thing is himself subject to being hurt. Doesn't get much dumber than that. How are energies meant to create also meant to destroy and erase? how does that work exactly?

It is repeatedly said that Michael's energies would destroy all of creation. Nowhere did it say they would destroy all of creation except anyone in real close proximity because they'd be carried back through time to their origin point.

Don't try to impose Marvel's point of view on anyone else's universe.

Originally posted by Cogito

It is repeatedly said that Michael's energies would destroy all of creation.

Nowhere did it say they would destroy all of creation
except anyone in real close proximity because they'd be carried back through time to their origin point.

Don't try to impose Marvel's point of view on anyone else's universe.


But there's no "creation" to destroy in a void, good friend.

If any of those Marvel Big Bangers would've released those energies withIN reality,
then all creation would have exploded with it.

But from the "void" ... those energies can only create. Because logically there's no space-time to destroy.

In Marvel at-least.

Originally posted by zopzop
The very next page has the shockwave flowing through the entire universe and I think even adjacent dimensions! 😆

Next.

Okay but you realize that if these characters can do that..they are not heralds, but far above them.

Originally posted by Cogito
Don't try to impose Marvel's point of view on anyone else's universe.

That's the very point of this thread! Where do Lucifer/Michael rank in Marvel Cosmology.

We're comparing them to beings in the MU, so we're gonna use MU characters as measuring sticks (feats and all).

Originally posted by Surtur
Okay but you realize that if these characters can do that..they are not heralds, but far above them.

Not really.

Here's FOUR MARVEL HERALDS shoring up the multiverse to save it from collapsing :

Heralds. Marvel Heralds.