Captain America vs Superman

Originally posted by Rao Kal El
Oh now you "read" comics?

By reading you mean looking at the pretty pictures?

Can't believe you were not able to understand that my message was for Carv and you can't even follow DS argument, honest question (no offense) is your intelligence below average? Or is it something else?

BTW Superman wins and if he decides to get the ring off CA there is nothing CA can do

Dude, I just posted. Get back on topic.

Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
You are catching this and that's all you have to say? So I have to listen to this clown tell me that I don't read comics when I'm literary at the comic book store right now reading Civil War III?

No, you don't. He just doesn't have to listen to your crap either.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
If you can't answer, that's ok.

Do you have proof that Cap can react to Superman's speed? Or that GL autoshields can hold up?

No, I can't answer and enigmatic question and neither can you. You can ask it again, but nothing chances.

Do you have proof that Captain America with GL ring cannot effectively deal with Superman's speed?

Do you have proof that Captain America with a GL ring cannot defend against Superman?

The answer to both rhetorical questions is no. There is no proof either way as the character doesn't exist in comics. If there was "proof" then there wouldn't be anything to debate. What other new questions to you have that aren't guised versions of the old questions?

Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
No, I can't answer and enigmatic question and neither can you. You can ask it again, but nothing chances.

Do you have proof that Captain America with GL ring cannot effectively deal with Superman's speed?

Do you have proof that Captain America with a GL ring cannot defend against Superman?

The answer to both rhetorical questions is no. There us no proof either way as the character doesn't exist in comics. What other questions to you have?

I have proof that Cap is slower than Superman.

When a GL is too slow to react, their auto shields kick in. I have proof of that.

I then have proof that Kryptonians are either faster than these shields , or they just are too strong and smash them.

So...no, not rhetorical.

Cap is faster than John, Hal, etc. No question. But his reactions are not faster than Supes.

His willpower may well be stronger. But willpower means diddly when the autoshields kick in, as they are dependent on the ring not the user.

Best avi/sig combo in a long while, btw. Cracks me up every time I see it.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
I have proof that Cap is slower than Superman.

When a GL is too slow to react, their auto shields kick in. I have proof of that.

I then have proof that Kryptonians are either faster than these shields , or they just are too strong and smash them.

So...no, not rhetorical.

Cap is faster than John, Hal, etc. No question. But his reactions are not faster than Supes.

His willpower may well be stronger. But willpower means diddly when the autoshields kick in, as they are dependent on the ring not the user.

That's not my understanding of how the ring works. As far as the example of SG stealing the ring, that's one instance. The Batman showing is unrelated, he stole it while Hal wasn't paying attention and said such on panel. One instance is not a trend. So while it's a fact that it happened, it's not a fact that stealing a GL ring is a common practice among DC heralds.

Originally posted by Star428
Of course the troll conveniently left out the rest of fight where Superman casually handled her and she admitted she couldn't beat him. He also "forgot" (LOL) to mention that WW doing that was a sucker shot. You and he have a lot in common huh carver? You both love to leave extremely important deails out. 👆

Dude...stop bringing up that statement. It holds no weight here. Unless you accept the statement of Wonder Woman being faster than Superman, oooorrrrr, this statement.

Superman himself telling us that Wonder Woman and him are evenly matched.

How about this one. Lantern tells us that Wonder Woman is in Superman class of power.

Let me know if you want me to keep going. I feel safe at saying you will NOT accept these statements.

Originally posted by -Pr-
Dude, I just posted. Get back on topic.

I was on topic. I said "Superman wins and there is nothing caps can do if superman decides to take the ring"

Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
No, I can't answer and enigmatic question and neither can you. You can ask it again, but nothing chances.

Do you have proof that Captain America with GL ring cannot effectively deal with Superman's speed?

Do you have proof that Captain America with a GL ring cannot defend against Superman?

The answer to both rhetorical questions is no. There is no proof either way as the character doesn't exist in comics. If there was "proof" then there wouldn't be anything to debate. What other new questions to you have that aren't guised versions of the old questions?

I have to stop getting distracted with your red herrings and strawmans.

Anyhow

Your "argument " is invalid

Burden of proof fallacy
This is when someone attempts to make someone else prove a claim when the burden of proof is really on them to prove it. The burden of proof is always on the positive claim, and the person who makes the claim.

Example:

"Do you have proof that Captain America with GL ring cannot effectively deal with Superman's speed?

Do you have proof that Captain America with a GL ring cannot defend against Superman?"

In this case, the person in the example makes a claim (Cap with a GL will beat Superman), and without providing evidence for it himself, he asks his opponent to prove him wrong.

In reality, the person who made that claim would be the one required to prove it.

All in all WE provide evidence that suggest that Superman will be able to steal the ring away from GL Cap. As speedsters have done this in the past.

Captain America is no faster than a microsecond reaction time, superman is at least nanosecond reaction time meaning that superman has the advantage too.

Cap GL auto shields will also prove innefective against Superman as shown in scans that support this.

While you only base your argument in wishful thinking

I think it's funny that people argued vigorously for GL against Blue Marvel by citing feat after feat. Now the GL and the Superset character are from the opposite universes and not ONE of the DC fan posters who fought tooth and nail in favor of GL then are even saying a positive word about Cap GL now. Then aren't even considering his capabilities. What an incredible coincidence.

Originally posted by Rao Kal El
I have to stop getting distracted with your red herrings and strawmans.

Anyhow

Your "argument " is invalid

Burden of proof fallacy
This is when someone attempts to make someone else prove a claim when the burden of proof is really on them to prove it. The burden of proof is always on the positive claim, and the person who makes the claim.

Example:

"Do you have proof that Captain America with GL ring cannot effectively deal with Superman's speed?

Do you have proof that Captain America with a GL ring cannot defend against Superman?"

In this case, the person in the example makes a claim (Cap with a GL will beat Superman), and without providing evidence for it himself, he asks his opponent to prove him wrong.

In reality, the person who made that claim would be the one required to prove it.

All in all WE provide evidence that suggest that Superman will be able to steal the ring away from GL Cap. As speedsters have done this in the past.

Captain America is no faster than a microsecond reaction time, superman is at least nanosecond reaction time meaning that superman has the advantage too.

Cap GL auto shields will also prove innefective against Superman as shown in scans that support this.

While you only base your argument in wishful thinking

Please shut up and stick with blowing Saint. I have no respect for you, your limited knowledge, your biased approach to debating (the few instances you actually try to debate) or your troll tactics. You didn't want to debate then when you were acting like a complete ass and you simply don't count now. Apparently you had a hard time finding proof of me saying that I don't read comics. Then again, you probably don't know any comics exist outside of Superman titles so I see why someone like you could get confused. The onice was on you, you fell on your face. Lay there.

Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
Please shut up and stick with blowing Saint. I have no respect for you, your limited knowledge, your biased approach to debating (the few instances you actually try to debate) or your troll tactics. You didn't want to debate then when you were acting like a complete ass and you simply don't count now. Apparently you had a hard time finding proof of me saying that I don't read comics. Then again, you probably don't know any comics exist outside of Superman titles so I see why someone like you could get confused. The onice was on you, you fell on your face. Lay there.

Concessions accepted 👆

Originally posted by carver9
Dude...stop bringing up that statement. It holds no weight here. Unless you accept the statement of Wonder Woman being faster than Superman, oooorrrrr, this statement.

Superman himself telling us that Wonder Woman and him are evenly matched.

How about this one. Lantern tells us that Wonder Woman is in Superman class of power.

Let me know if you want me to keep going. I feel safe at saying you will NOT accept these statements.

LMFAO@you dude. Is that the best you got? Again, you leave out extremely important details just like you always do. Superman was mind-controlled there, moron. He wasn't himself (i,e, wasn't thinking clearly). Which means it wasn't actually Superman himself saying or thinking "We are evenly matched". WW herself said "I cannot beat you" to him in A League of One. Try again, loser.

Oh, and GL saying that doesn't mean jack when WW herself said she had no chance of beating him. I seriously doubt GL has ever fought Superman when Clark wasn't seriously holding back so he's not exactly an expert on the how the power-levels of WW and Superman compare. You lose. Like always.

I guess you're used to that though. 👆

Originally posted by Star428
LMFAO@you dude. Is that the best you got? Again, you leave out extremely important details just like you always do. Superman was mind-controlled there, moron, which means it wasn't actually Superman himself saying or thinking "We are evenly matched". WW herself said "I cannot beat you" in "A League of One". Try again, loser.

Oh, and GL saying that doesn't mean jack when WW herself said she had no chance of beating him. You lose. Like always. 👆

Sigh...dude, give up. Those were Superman own words. Those were Lantern own words. I can do better though.

Everything about Superman stats vs Wonder Woman stats in the Omac files are identical...

Superman stats...

Wonder Woman stats...

The ONLY difference is Superman fly faster. Do I need to keep going? Do you accept this or will you stop with your crazy talk of a freaking statement? Don't understand why you accept that statement but you don't accept Wonder Woman statement of being faster than him. Stop being a hypocrite bro.

*sigh*, yourself, moron. You lost. Superman was not himself. Hilarious how you pathetically act like u won when u actually lost. WW own words: "I cannot beat you". Period. You can't deny that no matter how much u pathetically try.

All that can be said about Supes vs WW has already been said hundreds of times over in numerous threads and you sad WW supporters never showed a shed of proof to your claim that she's on his level so I"m done engaging your trolling on this subject since that's not what this thread is about. So long... you pathetic loser.

edit: Go ahead and continue to post out-of-context scans if it makes ya feel better. Too bad you won't convince anyone who knows better though. 👆

Originally posted by Star428
*sigh*, yourself, moron. You lost. Superman was not himself. Hilarious how you pathetically act like u won when u actually lost. WW own words: "I cannot beat you". Period. You can't deny that no matter how much u pathetically try.

Glad we agreed on something. Wonder Woman said she is faster than Superman which makes it true. Superman said they are evenly match which makes it true. Lantern said Wonder Woman is in Superman bracket of power which makes it true. Statements for the win. Good job bro.

👆

So the bio I posted from OMAC files are out of context.? Please explain.

Carver is lying/twisting shit to favor his argument. Superman said that WW MAY BE evenly matched to him in terms of raw power. Not IS or ARE, but MAY BE. That second scan also says that WW operates somewhere in Supermans neighborhood. Meaning, she is close but not on his level.

Originally posted by The Nuul
Carver is lying/twisting shit to favor his argument. Superman said that WW MAY BE evenly matched to him in terms of raw power. Not IS or ARE, but MAY BE. That second scan also says that WW operates somewhere in Supermans neighborhood. Meaning, she is close but not on his level.

Still means she is within his tier. Doesn't mean she is over or under. Means that she is within that tier. He doesn't think she is close at all.

Originally posted by The Nuul
Carver is lying/twisting shit to favor his argument. Superman said that WW MAY BE evenly matched to him in terms of raw power. Not IS or ARE, but MAY BE. That second scan also says that WW operates somewhere in Supermans neighborhood. Meaning, she is close but not on his level.

Yeah, he always does and I"m done taking his troll bait on this subject. Again, Superman wasn't thinking clearly when he said that. As for GL saying that, it doesn't mean much when Superman holds back far more than any other character in comics. Doubt he knows what Clark is really capable of when he lets loose. WHat we do know is that WW herself said she couldn't beat him. She had to sucker shothim JUST TO SLOW HIM DOWN and yet she didn't really even accomplish that. The true power-levels between those two characters is not comparable, by any means, and this has been shown over and over and over and over and over and over and over AGAIN. Only people who think otherwise are those who view the very few number of fights where WW had an advantage or got a "technical win" out-of-context while ignoring all the times where Superman treated her like a child.