Originally posted by Surtur
I don't get why they set up rules for these debates and then just let the candidates break them.
The moderators did not follow the rules, why should the candidates?
Cavuto:
"Now I would be remiss if I did not acknowledge the elephant in the room, and I’m not talking about your party’s fine symbol. I’m talking about the purpose of tonight’s debate.
The economy and what each of you would do to improve it. No more, no less. We are focused on those issues, and what you have said on those issues in your words and what your opponents have said in their words about your words. That is the agenda tonight. How each of you plans to make America better tomorrow."
Cavuto:
"Dr. Carson, to you. You recently railed against the double- standard in the media, sir, that seems obsessed with inconsistencies and potential exaggerations in your life story, but looked the other way when it came to then-Senator Barack Obama’s. Still, as a candidate whose brand has always been trust, are you worried your campaign—which you’ve always said, sir, is bigger than you—is now being hurt by you?"
That is not an economic question.
It is a platform for Carson to deflect questions about the veracity of his own statements.
Questions like this make the "debate" seem more like an exercise in home-team image building than in candidate vetting.
Do you really think if John Kasick could not control his temper or his tantrums, the moderators could? He was basically up there screaming the whole time because his campaign is running on fumes. He was doing what he had to do to make it to another debate. He was twitching and his face was curling up durning the other candidates time, looked like he had turrets syndrome.
Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
The mods didn't follow the rules now?😂
The Fox Business moderators opened the debate by chastising the CNBC moderators for not restricting their questions to the economy, promised that they would restrict their questions to the economy, and then asked questions completely unrelated to the economy.
Not only does that break the rules they set forth at the beginning of the debate, but they did the exact thing they criticized another network for, only in the other direction.
If it was unfair when CNBC did it, then it should not be okay when Fox Business does it.
Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
Do you really think if John Kasick could not control his temper or his tantrums, the moderators could? He was basically up there screaming the whole time because his campaign is running on fumes. He was doing what he had to do to make it to another debate. He was twitching and his face was curling up durning the other candidates time, looked like he had turrets syndrome.
Unrelated, I do think he made some good points though, probably my favourite in the race, at least top 3.
Originally posted by draxx_tOfU
The debate last night was better than the last, not because of the questions or the moderators, but because there were fewer candidates imo. While still a cluster****, it's a slight improvement.I don't watch the GOP debates for answers on how to improve our country, but for the comedy.
That's funny because I feel exact same way towards the dumbasscratic debate. Too bad as much as I hate that ugly b**** Hilldog though I can't even watch it for that because listening to her lying mouth or looking at her ugly pruneface ass for an extended period makes me feel like throwing up. 👆
Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
Thats not what I said, and what you are describing is what Obama did. Also quit being stupid and immature when you know the truth and now you just trying to hide it. We all know Obama campaigned on a bed promise filled lies.
No, you think you know that. What I know is that Obama campaigned for a stimulus, which he fulfilled, and it worked. What I know is he campaigned for universal health care, which he fulfilled, if not quite as good as he wanted, and it worked.
What I know is third party people have also kept track of 500 of Obama's campaign promises, and Charted how many he's fulfilled, tried to fulfill but be blocked, done a compromise solution on, and broken. Even with his opponents trying to stop him at every turn and openly pledging to stop everything he does, there's 45% kept, 25% compromise, 8% still in the works or stalled. 78% of things he promised he has either made come to pass to varying extents or tried to.
And the promises of the Republican congress at the same time, does not add up nearly as well.
What I know is his opponents try and present 'doing stuff they don't like' as lies, and quibble over minor factors ("I said you could keep this but really I'm giving you better"😉 when the main, major promises like providing universal health care have been fulfilled.
Like, you know how a lot of Republicans support Trump because they're unsatisfied by how much their party's representatives have promised them stuff and not followed through? We on the Democratic side don't have that. Barack Obama made many promises, and we saw him not only fight for the vast majority of them, but succeed in many.
The President has been genuinely trying to do what the majority of the citizens of the United States elected him to do, and among both honest and promises fulfilled does reasonably well when stacked up against other presidents, or to my eyes, looks to be a fair bit better than his opponents. He may not be perfect, but I can live with that.
Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
*coughbama*
You know, as much as you and others complain about the 'unconstitutional stuff' Obama supposedly does, he actually does still within his authority and the SC signs off on the major measures being complained about.
Ultimately, Obama's biggest 'crime' out of the stuff the Republicans complain about, is doing things they don't want but that a good portion of the populace does and it's in his authority to do.
He cares about law and such, it's just that a lot of people have mistaken 'things they don't like' with 'illegal.' It's not, and people who don't like it should spend more time on building a dialog trying to get people on their side or trying to get compromising on the subject, rather than trying to paint the opposing side as illegitimate and thus not worth talking to. That's how the system is supposed to work, if you don't want something to happen, you need to build the support to stop it and/or make a deal with those who have the support, and if you can't do so, you don't get your way and that is *normal* because this is a big country and no-one is guaranteed to get their way on each major issue in a republic that represents 300 million people and that doesn't mean not getting their way is illegal, unconstitutional, anti-American, or whatever other complaints that get levied.
Disliking something ultimately doesn't make it illegal, unconstitutional, unamerican, or even unpopular, even if many have trouble believing that. Immigrating executive orders? Constitutional. Universal health care? Definitely so. The constitution does have clauses for the common good, which is exactly what that falls under, the only question is whether or not we want to do so- and if we don't, the way to stop it from happening is not to try and pretend it's illegal, it's to get enough support to change health care into something you do like.
Heck, I have a problem with the implication that supposedly, the US people is not allowed to decide it's government should do this stuff. We vote for it and support it because it'd benefit it us on the whole, but even though we've got to do so, you want to say we can't, and your opinions take precedence over the majority?
That's not how a democracy or a republic is supposed to work.
Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
Also Q99 there is thishttp://www.westernjournalism.com/top-7-hillary-clinton-lies-liberal-medias-trying-hide/
Oh... wow, a partisan blog post with meme photos. Who's so-called lies include her saying 'she's just like you.' You know, like every politician ever.
See, this is what I'm saying. For 'facts,' you're just fine relying on total opinion pieces, including ones obviously so and which include 'lies' that have nothing to do with anything. If someone's 7 biggest lies ever include 'I'm just like you,' they're really batting above the curve, you know?
Of course you can always find some random place that'll find something that'll agree with you, but it has no more weight than you just saying it yourself. It's not fact-checked, it's not non-partisan, it's not even a news source, it's just someone else saying they don't like Hillary, and what's the point in that?
Originally posted by Q99
No, you think you know that. What I know is that Obama campaigned for a stimulus, which he fulfilled, and it worked. What I know is he campaigned for universal health care, which he fulfilled, if not quite as good as he wanted, and it worked.
As I've posted before, some economists think the bailout was bad ( and it is not just the fringe economists saying that). Granted, the bailout was not the only thing that was part of the economic stimulus package. Also, as I've pointed out, I think Obamacare has cost the average American more money and it should be scrapped.
You're right: Obamacare is a shitty version of a universal healthcare option that America needs. We have the GOP to blame for that.
Originally posted by Q99
What I know is third party people have also kept track of 500 of Obama's campaign promises, and Charted how many he's fulfilled, tried to fulfill but be blocked, done a compromise solution on, and broken. Even with his opponents trying to stop him at every turn and openly pledging to stop everything he does, there's 45% kept, 25% compromise, 8% still in the works or stalled. 78% of things he promised he has either made come to pass to varying extents or tried to.
You and I have talked about this, before. Obama broke some of his most important and major campaign promises. You're right that he keeps more promises than many others. But the reason democrats have become...jaded towards Obama is the major broken campaign promises.
Just looking at the very first one he broke, ending the war in Afghanistan, that's a fairly huge one. Don't you think?
Originally posted by Star428
That's funny because I feel exact same way towards the dumbasscratic debate. Too bad as much as I hate that ugly b**** Hilldog though I can't even watch it for that because listening to her lying mouth or looking at her ugly pruneface ass for an extended period makes me feel like throwing up. 👆
You took that to 11...