Gladiator vs Black Adam

Originally posted by abhilegend
No, I just don't take these "feats" seriously. Three issues later in the same series Grey Hulk destroyed an asteroid twice the size of earth and he was weaker than ****ing Thing.

So Thing>Grey Hulk>Gladiator? Right?

I really don't give a damn. You are completely hypocritical and whenever the criteria doesn't work out in your favor, you try to move the goalposts. Feats didn't work out so now you are trying A/B/C logic. Anything until you can find a match. Do you actually think everyone isn't onto your methods?

Are you two always like this?

Split

Black Adam in both.

Adam wins. Just overall more impressive in combat feats.

Originally posted by abhilegend
No, I just don't take these "feats" seriously. Three issues later in the same series Grey Hulk destroyed an asteroid twice the size of earth and he was weaker than ****ing Thing.

So Thing>Grey Hulk>Gladiator? Right?

Gladiator is one of those guys who looks good on paper but no so much in action. He did one shot Vulcan though for what it's worth.

I have about the same amount of respect for either of these characters. Neither are really great or skillful combatants, and rely on strength/powers most of the time. Gladiator just has more tools which is why i would give him a slight nod. I mean Gladiator would only need to stare into BA's eyes to gain a heavy crippling majority against BA with his laser vision. How hard would it be to blind him?

Originally posted by JBL
Lowballing at it best. In another thread you think superman can beat both Adam and Zod at the same time, but here you claim ( BS ) that Adam can beat gladiator who has strength enough to destroy planets ( which none of your heros can or has done in their careers ) and then you take a scene out of context as you so often do by bring up grey hulk feat??????? Did grey hulk land on that asteriod and punch it to dust or did he ram it at high speed ( which you so pointed out when that feat was used against superman a while ago) Gladiator is stronger, faster and a far better fighter than Adam and he does not give a rats behind about killing anyone he faces. Gladiator wins in both forum and feat battle.

That's Abby at his core, refusing to debate with a shred of consistency or integrity. He uses whatever path he can blaze to get to his oh so obvious predetermined destination.

Originally posted by Sin I AM
Gladiator is one of those guys who looks good on paper but no so much in action. He did one shot Vulcan though for what it's worth.

Actually, he only exists on paper, so.....

Originally posted by Stoic
I have about the same amount of respect for either of these characters. Neither are really great or skillful combatants, and rely on strength/powers most of the time. Gladiator just has more tools which is why i would give him a slight nod. I mean Gladiator would only need to stare into BA's eyes to gain a heavy crippling majority against BA with his laser vision. How hard would it be to blind him?

Largely agree. I'd add that Gladiator has a skill advantage, but it's all but negated due to his personality. He show good combat prowess occasionally, he was brilliant against Supreme. But again, he'd be extremely confident against BA, resulting in a win.

Originally posted by Stoic
I have about the same amount of respect for either of these characters. Neither are really great or skillful combatants, and rely on strength/powers most of the time. Gladiator just has more tools which is why i would give him a slight nod. I mean Gladiator would only need to stare into BA's eyes to gain a heavy crippling majority against BA with his laser vision. How hard would it be to blind him?

Adam would cripple him with his magic lightning. Gladiator doesn't have the combat feats Adam does. Adam went up against the JSA by himself.

Originally posted by Zack M
Adam would cripple him with his magic lightning. Gladiator doesn't have the combat feats Adam does. Adam went up against the JSA by himself.

What's so impressive about his lighting strikes? Gladiator should take them to the chest with little problem.

Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
What's so impressive about his lighting strikes? Gladiator should take them to the chest with little problem.

It's taken out top tiers before.

Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
I really don't give a damn. You are completely hypocritical and whenever the criteria doesn't work out in your favor, you try to move the goalposts. Feats didn't work out so now you are trying A/B/C logic. Anything until you can find a match. Do you actually think everyone isn't onto your methods?

Be consistent or shut up.

Originally posted by JBL
Lowballing at it best. In another thread you think superman can beat both Adam and Zod at the same time, but here you claim ( BS ) that Adam can beat gladiator who has strength enough to destroy planets ( which none of your heros can or has done in their careers ) and then you take a scene out of context as you so often do by bring up grey hulk feat??????? Did grey hulk land on that asteriod and punch it to dust or did he ram it at high speed ( which you so pointed out when that feat was used against superman a while ago) Gladiator is stronger, faster and a far better fighter than Adam and he does not give a rats behind about killing anyone he faces. Gladiator wins in both forum and feat battle.

And yes, Superman has destroyed planets against Emperor Joker, against Kal-L and literally destroyed a planet size hole in ****ing source wall.

Gladiator rammed into the planet at high speed too. It was intact.

Adam would beat the shit out of this mewling coward.

Originally posted by Zack M
It's taken out top tiers before.

That doesn't really mean much to a guy that has resistance to that sort of attack. if it came down to a quick draw contest to determine who gets hit first, I'd place my money on the guy that simply has to stare into the others eyes to blind them. Gladiator also has freeze breath which would slow BA down. This is an argument that many people fall back on when Superman is involved in a battle. Gladiator has the exact same ability. Like I said in my post before this, Gladiator has more tools that he can use, and the ones that he have, can be depended on more efficiently.

I can see how the magic lightning may be able to stun Gladiator for a moment, but that laser vision would blind BA for a very long time, if not cause permanent damage. Surely you don't believe that BA's eyes are more durable than the Hulk's hide? Gladiator burned through the Hulk's chest immediately. If not for the laser vison, and the freeze breath I'd give BA the slight nod.

Let's weigh them out shall we?

Speed - About the same
Strength - About the same
Durability - About the same or slight advantage to BA (very slight)
Magic - BA holds all of the cards
Freeze breath - Gladiator
Laser vision - Gladiator
Super hearing - Gladiator
Ultra vision - Gladiator
Combat effectiveness - Both fight like bricks. Neither are world class MA's because they rely mostly on their powers.
Energy resistance - About the same on average
TP resistance - Irrelevant in this case

There may be more that I have missed, but the tools that Gladiator has, are definite advantages, and while we can't argue solely on power set, it does not give us the okay to dismiss power set altogether.

Gladiator has a very limited amount of showings, so in a feat war BA sort of wins. WWiii was BS IMO, because most of the heroes fought like the discovered that they had powers the moment the confrontations began. IMO, it was one of the worst written mini's in existence, and I'd be hard pressed to listen to anyone's positive views on BA's performance throughout that terrible mini.

As for Gladiator, I can't see any of the characters that have defeated him not being able to give BA a hard time or outright crush him as well. So to put this into perspective, perhaps we should look closer at the characters that Gladiator has been pushed by or who actually defeated him. I've already done this, which is why I give Gladiator the slight nod.

Originally posted by Stoic
Gladiator also has freeze breath which would slow BA down. This is an argument that many people fall back on when Superman is involved in a battle. Gladiator has the exact same ability.

What has Gladiator done with his freeze breath? Superman does have the feats to back people citing it. Saying "Gladiator has the same ability" without any examples is a circular argument.

Originally posted by Delta1938
What has Gladiator done with his freeze breath? Superman does have the feats to back people citing it. Saying "Gladiator has the same ability" without any examples is a circular argument.

Why would it be a circular argument? One character is used on a bi-weekly basis, while the other may not be seen for several yrs from now. Does this give you the leeway to argue that he does not, or can not freeze a character with his breath attack? Or course it doesn't. Gladiator actually has this power. Or what are you saying? That I'm giving him an ability that he does not possess? How many times has Gladiator used his running speed in a fight? Once? Should I discount it because of the fact that he doesn't actually have that many showings? Of course not. Let's not resort to cherry picking in some inane attempt to discount fictional facts.

Originally posted by Stoic
Why would it be a circular argument? One character is used on a bi-weekly basis, while the other may not be seen for several yrs from now. Does this give you the leeway to argue that he does not, or can not freeze a character with his breath attack? Or course it doesn't. Gladiator actually has this power. Or what are you saying? That I'm giving him an ability that he does not possess? How many times has Gladiator used his running speed in a fight? Once? Should I discount it because of the fact that he doesn't actually have that many showings? Of course not. Let's not resort to cherry picking in some inane attempt to discount fictional facts.

How am I "cherry picking in some inane attempt to discount fictional facts" by asking what Gladiator has done with his freeze breath? I asked what he's done. It's a circular argument if you're assuming just because he has freeze breath that he can slow others down since Superman has.

Originally posted by Delta1938
How am I "cherry picking in some inane attempt to discount fictional facts" by asking what Gladiator has done with his freeze breath? I asked what he's done. It's a circular argument if you're assuming just because he has freeze breath that he can slow others down since Superman has.

Because like Superman's breath attack, Gladiator would slow his opponent down, and when taking into account just how fast these guys are, even being a little slower could be disastrous for the character being frozen. So yes it's cherry picking when you consider all of the other abilities that Gladiator actually has. What about the laser vision? If it came down to a quick draw contest I'd go with the guy that only has to stare into the others eyes. What would BA do once he was blinded? Gladiator is fast, and if BA is hit by this attack (highly likely), Gladiator would turn him into a speed bag. It isn't as if Gladiator didn't defeat Hyperion. The one that he defeated has given the Hulk, and Thor trouble, so even with his limited showings, he has shown that he is on the level. Again, why don't we really look at who has beaten Gladiator, or given him a hard time? I'm certain if you looked at them, and compared them to BA, you may see that Gladiator and BA are very close in terms of being physical piers. The only problem is that Gladiator has more tools to rely upon.