Gladiator vs Black Adam

Originally posted by Stoic
Because like Superman's breath attack, Gladiator would slow his opponent down, and when taking into account just how fast these guys are, even being a little slower could be disastrous for the character being frozen. So yes it's cherry picking when you consider all of the other abilities that Gladiator actually has. What about the laser vision? If it came down to a quick draw contest I'd go with the guy that only has to stare into the others eyes. What would BA do once he was blinded? Gladiator is fast, and if BA is hit by this attack (highly likely), Gladiator would turn him into a speed bag. It isn't as if Gladiator didn't defeat Hyperion. The one that he defeated has given the Hulk, and Thor trouble, so even with his limited showings, he has shown that he is on the level. Again, why don't we really look at who has beaten Gladiator, or given him a hard time? I'm certain if you looked at them, and compared them to BA, you may see that Gladiator and BA are very close in terms of being physical piers. The only problem is that Gladiator has more tools to rely upon.

Yet, unless Gladiator actually has any feats to back it, your argument is irrelevant. For all intents and purposes, you're giving Superman's freeze breath feats to Gladiator simply because he has freeze breath. Do you even have one feat for Gladiator here, or are you assuming he can do the same because he also has it? That's a circular argument.

Everything else is a strawman because it has nothing to do with the one point I challenged. You could end this if you actually have a comparable feat for Gladiator.

Originally posted by Delta1938
Yet, unless Gladiator actually has any feats to back it, your argument is irrelevant. For all intents and purposes, you're giving Superman's freeze breath feats to Gladiator simply because he has freeze breath. Do you even have one feat for Gladiator here, or are you assuming he can do the same because he also has it? That's a circular argument.

Everything else is a strawman because it has nothing to do with the one point I challenged. You could end this if you actually have a comparable feat for Gladiator.

And I'm challenging you to attempt to dismiss any other power, and battle that he has had. You're only point is that he doesn't have as many showings. But then you still have yet to answer his laser vision advantage, the idea that he can see through solid objects, and hear BA from over a city away. There were no strawmen. Again you want to take one thing, and enlarge it to cover the BS that you want others to believe. Gladiator is just as powerful as BA, but he has more tools. I could see if BA was a better fighter, but that isn't the case here. What else do you have? Exactly nothing.

Wonder Man dismissed Gladiator's freeze breath.

HV. Note, that BA is power sharing here:

http://i.imgur.com/FJ2n0IS.jpg
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/10/104108/3589682-05.jpg

BA is starting to burn, yes....but he's not getting holes blasted in him. Even when weakened, and with a PG out for the kill. He would be fine here.

But since we're feat sharing, if Glads gets Supes' freeze breath feats, then surely BA gets Shazam's feats? Especially as they're the same company, same magic etc?

In that case, BA gets this pretty amazing feat from Billy. Same invulnerability, after all:

http://i.imgur.com/CdUkPQv.jpg

Also, how does Glads fare against lightning?

Sucker shot? Sure. But even if he braced...I mean, if you told me I was going to get hit by lightning, all the prep in the world would still hurt me.

Originally posted by Stoic
And I'm challenging you to attempt to dismiss any other power, and battle that he has had. You're only point is that he doesn't have as many showings. But then you still have yet to answer his laser vision advantage, the idea that he can see through solid objects, and hear BA from over a city away. There were no strawmen. Again you want to take one thing, and enlarge it to cover the BS that you want others to believe. Gladiator is just as powerful as BA, but he has more tools. I could see if BA was a better fighter, but that isn't the case here. What else do you have? Exactly nothing.

That's not it at all. I'm not dismissing anything because "Gladiator doesn't have as many showings." I asked for what freeze breath feats Gladiator has. I asked if he even has one comparable feat for it. You keep focusing on saying I shouldn't dismiss him because he doesn't appear as often while avoiding answering what has Gladiator done with it.

It is a strawman because it has abso-****ING-lutely(note, swearing isn't getting hostile, merely to emphasize) nothing to do with what I asked. I never even argued who would win. You say Gladiator will do the same thing and due to failure to give even one feat, I've come to the conclusion it's wishful thinking.

Btw, this is PG's HV. That's KC Superman. Not saying he was seriously hurt, but remember that BA was weakened in the first scan, PG was out for blood, and this is KC Superman, lol.

Originally posted by Delta1938
That's not it at all. I'm not dismissing anything because "Gladiator doesn't have as many showings." I asked for what freeze breath feats Gladiator has. I asked if he even has one comparable feat for it. You keep focusing on saying I shouldn't dismiss him because he doesn't appear as often while avoiding answering what has Gladiator done with it.

It is a strawman because it has abso-****ING-lutely(note, swearing isn't getting hostile, merely to emphasize) nothing to do with what I asked. I never even argued who would win. You say Gladiator will do the same thing and due to failure to give even one feat, I've come to the conclusion it's wishful thinking.

Since when is BA and Wonder Man the same character? And since when is Wonder Man a light weight? When did BA become Tyrant? How long before people realize that the freeze breath point was not my main point? Oh but you knew that, you were just trying to find a way around the idea that Gladiator in character would resort to permanently crippling an opponent as opposed to Superman who always holds back for fear of killing. Crippling??? Should I say it again? All Gladiator would need to do is use the laser vision that he has used several times in his handful of appearances to blind BA. Do you understand that he has more than freeze breath to rely upon, or was it your point to turn this into a circular argument? You're the one that turn it into one, while i was saying that he has more than just one power that he could rely on. Anyway, by keep going in circles.

Do I believe that Gladiator could one shot BA? Of course not. Do I think that Gladiator has a few advantages due to power set? Yes. Can he use these advantages? Yes. When I said that Gladiator would win, I gave him the slight nod. This is because I think that it would be a rough fight.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
HV. Note, that BA is power sharing here:

http://i.imgur.com/FJ2n0IS.jpg
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/10/104108/3589682-05.jpg

BA is starting to burn, yes....but he's not getting holes blasted in him. Even when weakened, and with a PG out for the kill. He would be fine here.

But since we're feat sharing, if Glads gets Supes' freeze breath feats, then surely BA gets Shazam's feats? Especially as they're the same company, same magic etc?

In that case, BA gets this pretty amazing feat from Billy. Same invulnerability, after all:

http://i.imgur.com/CdUkPQv.jpg

Also, how does Glads fare against lightning?

Sucker shot? Sure. But even if he braced...I mean, if you told me I was going to get hit by lightning, all the prep in the world would still hurt me.

Yes it was a sucker shot, and no one told him that he was going to be hit by that lightning, nor was he aware of the follow up pummeling that Thor (Masterson) was going to rain down on him with an unbreakable weapon. It should also be noted that if Thor did not get that help, that he would have lost the fight.

Originally posted by Stoic
Yes it was a sucker shot, and no one told him that he was going to be hit by that lightning, nor was he aware of the follow up pummeling that Thor (Masterson) was going to rain down on him with an unbreakable weapon. It should also be noted that if Thor did not get that help, that he would have lost the fight.

So if you told me, hey, DS, Manny Pacquiao is going to punch you as hard as he can, brace for it!

And I brace.....you're saying I'd be able to laugh it off? Tank it?

What about Tyson in his prime? If I'm allowed to brace for his best haymaker, I can take it?

The pertinent point here is not that Thor had help, or used Mjolnir, or whatever. The point was, normal (i.e. non magical) lightning was sufficient to stun Glads. Shazam lightning is pretty damn potent on top of that, PLUS is magical to boot. And can be spammed.

Originally posted by Stoic
Since when is BA and Wonder Man the same character? And since when is Wonder Man a light weight? When did BA become Tyrant? How long before people realize that the freeze breath point was not my main point? Oh but you knew that, you were just trying to find a way around the idea that Gladiator in character would resort to permanently crippling an opponent as opposed to Superman who always holds back for fear of killing. Crippling??? Should I say it again? All Gladiator would need to do is use the laser vision that he has used several times in his handful of appearances to blind BA. Do you understand that he has more than freeze breath to rely upon, or was it your point to turn this into a circular argument? You're the one that turn it into one, while i was saying that he has more than just one power that he could rely on. Anyway, by keep going in circles.

Do I believe that Gladiator could one shot BA? Of course not. Do I think that Gladiator has a few advantages due to power set? Yes. Can he use these advantages? Yes. When I said that Gladiator would win, I gave him the slight nod. This is because I think that it would be a rough fight.

The **** does any of that have to do with my point? I never brought up Wonder Man, I never made any comparison to Tyrant. And I see what you're doing, poisoning the well about assuming that my question is all some conspiracy related to Superman.

I asked what freeze breath feats Gladiator has. You go on, in all honesty I have no other way to describe it but as a rant. You keep bringing-up stuff that's irrelevant to the one thing I asked, and making assumptions that seem to be more trying to justify me not accepting your argument(based on nothing shown but assumption) than anything concrete.

Do you have even one comparable feat for Gladiator's freeze breath to Superman? Yes or no?

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
So if you told me, hey, DS, Manny Pacquiao is going to punch you as hard as he can, brace for it!

And I brace.....you're saying I'd be able to laugh it off? Tank it?

What about Tyson in his prime? If I'm allowed to brace for his best haymaker, I can take it?

The pertinent point here is not that Thor had help, or used Mjolnir, or whatever. The point was, normal (i.e. non magical) lightning was sufficient to stun Glads. Shazam lightning is pretty damn potent on top of that, PLUS is magical to boot. And can be spammed.

The difference is that no one warned Gladiator that he was going to be blasted. If Masterson got back up, and Lightning Boy wasn't there to be exploited, Masterson would have gotten his butt kicked. It wasn't Gladiator thinking about how bad his bones ached. Gladiator was standing without any signs of being fatigued, or the aches that Thor (Masterson) had.

Originally posted by Delta1938
The **** does any of that have to do with my point? I never brought up Wonder Man, I never made any comparison to Tyrant. And I see what you're doing, poisoning the well about assuming that my question is all some conspiracy related to Superman.

I asked what freeze breath feats Gladiator has. You go on, in all honesty I have no other way to describe it but as a rant. You keep bringing-up stuff that's irrelevant to the one thing I asked, and making assumptions that seem to be more trying to justify me not accepting your argument(based on nothing shown but assumption) than anything concrete.

Do you have even one comparable feat for Gladiator's freeze breath to Superman? Yes or no?

No that's not what I'm getting at. I'm saying that BA isn't above Gladiaotr in the same sense that Tyrant is above him. he only reason for Superman being brought up is the differences in character between him and Gladiator, which should have been transparent to you. I mean I did say that Superman fear going all out due to his fear of hurting or killing. Gladiator does not care about any of that. That was why I brought all of that up. Again, Gladiator wouldn't have much trouble in grabbing BA by the face, and blinding him with laser vision. You saying wishful thinking immediately gives me the impression that you believe that BA is far superior to Gladiator, almost making it seem like he would be able to one shot him like Tyrant would. In fact I have yet to see anything to suggest that BA is Gladiator's physical superior. Who has beaten Gladiator to the point that would make you think that BA is his superior? Who?

Originally posted by Stoic
No that's not what I'm getting at. I'm saying that BA isn't above Gladiaotr in the same sense that Tyrant is above him. he only reason for Superman being brought up is the differences in character between him and Gladiator, which should have been transparent to you. I mean I did say that Superman fear going all out due to his fear of hurting or killing. Gladiator does not care about any of that. That was why I brought all of that up. Again, Gladiator wouldn't have much trouble in grabbing BA by the face, and blinding him with laser vision. You saying wishful thinking immediately gives me the impression that you believe that BA is far superior to Gladiator, almost making it seem like he would be able to one shot him like Tyrant would. In fact I have yet to see anything to suggest that BA is Gladiator's physical superior. Who has beaten Gladiator to the point that would make you think that BA is his superior? Who?

Superman actually has feats of slowing down, incapacitating and even one-shoting Top-Tiers with his freeze breath. You haven't given a single example of freeze breath for Gladiator and keep arguing because "he has the same power." While you make arguments to me that have nothing to do with what I asked or said(a strawman).

Therefore, I've come to the conclusion that Gladiator slowing down Black Adam with freeze breath is wishful thinking on your part. And you've done nothing to prove otherwise. Maybe Gladiator actually does have the feats to prove your argument, but this would be you lucked out on being right, since you've refused to even cite an example.

Originally posted by Delta1938
The **** does any of that have to do with my point? I never brought up Wonder Man, I never made any comparison to Tyrant. And I see what you're doing, poisoning the well about assuming that my question is all some conspiracy related to Superman.

I asked what freeze breath feats Gladiator has. You go on, in all honesty I have no other way to describe it but as a rant. You keep bringing-up stuff that's irrelevant to the one thing I asked, and making assumptions that seem to be more trying to justify me not accepting your argument(based on nothing shown but assumption) than anything concrete.

Do you have even one comparable feat for Gladiator's freeze breath to Superman? Yes or no?

Oh and as for your freeze breath question. What does that have to do with all of the other powers that I mentioned? Like i said keep going in circles. You obviously aren't following, or willing to follow because you're attempting to cover up the rest of what I brought up. You know? I mean the rest of his powers?

Originally posted by Stoic
The difference is that no one warned Gladiator that he was going to be blasted. If Masterson got back up, and Lightning Boy wasn't there to be exploited, Masterson would have gotten his butt kicked. It wasn't Gladiator thinking about how bad his bones ached. Gladiator was standing without any signs of fatigued, or aches.

So again, if I stood there, and braced myself for Tyson in his prime, I can take it?

That should be standard BZ tactics, then.

"Bell rings, I brace myself."

Do you have any other lightning feats from Gladiator to support your claim? Because so far, its all supposition.

I can just as equally claim that Gladiator was at his peak, and sucker shots are actually strengthening him.

Hear me out.

Gladiator's powers are confidence based.

He's just seen his enemylying helpless on the ground. Hell, look at his fist on hips pose, that smirk on his face. He is confident as phuck there.

Ergo, his powers and durability are sky high. Why wouldn't it be? He's won!

Boom. Even at the height of his powers, Living Lightning can stun him.

Imagine how he'd be feeling at seeing the monster that is BA, tanking his HV and his blows.

Originally posted by Stoic
Oh and as for your freeze breath question. What does that have to do with all of the other powers that I mentioned? Like i said keep going in circles. You obviously aren't following, or willing to follow because you're attempting to cover up the rest of what I brought up. You know? I mean the rest of his powers?

This is irony at its finest.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
So again, if I stood there, and braced myself for Tyson in his prime, I can take it?

That should be standard BZ tactics, then.

"Bell rings, I brace myself."

Do you have any other lightning feats from Gladiator to support your claim? Because so far, its all supposition.

I can just as equally claim that Gladiator was at his peak, and sucker shots are actually strengthening him.

Hear me out.

Gladiator's powers are confidence based.

He's just seen his enemylying helpless on the ground. Hell, look at his fist on hips pose, that smirk on his face. He is confident as phuck there.

Ergo, his powers and durability are sky high. Why wouldn't it be? He's won!

Boom. Even at the height of his powers, Living Lightning can stun him.

Imagine how he'd be feeling at seeing the monster that is BA, tanking his HV and his blows.

I LOLed.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
So again, if I stood there, and braced myself for Tyson in his prime, I can take it?

That should be standard BZ tactics, then.

"Bell rings, I brace myself."

Do you have any other lightning feats from Gladiator to support your claim? Because so far, its all supposition.

I can just as equally claim that Gladiator was at his peak, and sucker shots are actually strengthening him.

Hear me out.

Gladiator's powers are confidence based.

He's just seen his enemylying helpless on the ground. Hell, look at his fist on hips pose, that smirk on his face. He is confident as phuck there.

Ergo, his powers and durability are sky high. Why wouldn't it be? He's won!

Boom. Even at the height of his powers, Living Lightning can stun him.

Imagine how he'd be feeling at seeing the monster that is BA, tanking his HV and his blows.

So if BA can use his magic against Glads, why can't Glads look into his eyes before he even opens his mouth and fry his eyes at the speed of light? If this is a quick draw, Glads would win. In this case they both know what each other can do if we go by forum ruling. Since we are going by forum rules, Gladiator would actually be able to hit BA first with his laser vision.

Originally posted by Delta1938
This is irony at its finest.

It's only irony because you decided to take one thing that i said, and attempt to run with it. In so doing you also decided that it was an opportune time to insult my intelligence. Either deal with my entire statement or continue cherry picking to the point of looking pedantic. Like I said keep running in circles.

Originally posted by Delta1938
I LOLed.

You did? I was under the impression that you trolled. Close enough i guess.

Originally posted by Stoic
And I'm challenging you to attempt to dismiss any other power, and battle that he has had. You're only point is that he doesn't have as many showings. But then you still have yet to answer his laser vision advantage, the idea that he can see through solid objects, and hear BA from over a city away. There were no strawmen. Again you want to take one thing, and enlarge it to cover the BS that you want others to believe. Gladiator is just as powerful as BA, but he has more tools. I could see if BA was a better fighter, but that isn't the case here. What else do you have? Exactly nothing.

Adam took MM's Martian vision and although it did hurt, it didn't take him out. He also was pummled by Onimar Synn (Trans) and got knocked to the moon. Gladiator isn't taking Adam down.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
HV. Note, that BA is power sharing here:

http://i.imgur.com/FJ2n0IS.jpg
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/10/104108/3589682-05.jpg

BA is starting to burn, yes....but he's not getting holes blasted in him. Even when weakened, and with a PG out for the kill. He would be fine here.

But since we're feat sharing, if Glads gets Supes' freeze breath feats, then surely BA gets Shazam's feats? Especially as they're the same company, same magic etc?

In that case, BA gets this pretty amazing feat from Billy. Same invulnerability, after all:

http://i.imgur.com/CdUkPQv.jpg

Also, how does Glads fare against lightning?

Sucker shot? Sure. But even if he braced...I mean, if you told me I was going to get hit by lightning, all the prep in the world would still hurt me.

👆

Originally posted by Zack M
Adam took MM's Martian vision and although it did hurt, it didn't take him out. He also was pummled by Onimar Synn (Trans) and got knocked to the moon. Gladiator isn't taking Adam down.

What does that have to do with being blasted in the eyes by a guy that has no problem with killing his opponent? MM has the same character as Superman, while Gladiator shares the same regards for life while in battle as Lobo does. Gladiator would have no problem with crippling BA with a dose of laser vision to the eyes. After all he did try to burn the Hulk's heart out of his chest without even thinking about it.