Originally posted by DarkSaint85
So Living Lightning is HH? I said trans because you said he did in one hit where a legit HH was unable to do in prolonged combat.Not just any HH, either. It was Gladiator, and LL also did better than Thor. Two of the top guys in HHs tier.
Whatever manipulation Thor did to Living Lightning made his energy output strong enough to do something he was unable to do.
If you're asking if Adam lightning could affect Gladiator, yes, it can...sad thing is, Adam rarely if ever use it in combat.
Originally posted by carver9
Gladiator confidence has never wavered fighting a peer. The only time it drops is when he face people that shouldn't stand a chance against him (Reed and Cannonball) but yet, they do things that shouldn't happen...withstand his blows.
Cassandra Nova. A Low Herald here. Shook him apart.
So you think when he uses HV, and BA can take it, it wouldn't plant the tiniest seed of doubt in his mind? OK.
I already showed scans of a weakened BA (rather severely, as it happens) BA taking a bloodlusted PG's HV. PG, whose HV has hurt KC Superman when she WASN'T bloodlusted.
Originally posted by carver9
Whatever manipulation Thor did to Living Lightning made his energy output strong enough to do something he was unable to do.If you're asking if Adam lightning could affect Gladiator, yes, it can...sad thing is, Adam rarely if ever use it in combat.
Proof? There is no dialogue suggesting otherwise. Or narration. Are you adding things that aren't there again, because it doesn't suit your worldview? You always do this.....
As for the times he has used it, he has used it more times than Glads has tanked lightning, so.......we both agree that as soon has it comes out (Wisdom of Zehuti, remember, integral to his powerset) Glads gets KO'd?
Remember how you argue that Hulk can go WBH in every fight - even though in his entire history, he does it incredibly rarely? Because it is integrally part of his powerset?
Be consistent. BA has the Wisdom, and the Power.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Cassandra Nova. A Low Herald here. Shook him apart.So you think when he uses HV, and BA can take it, it wouldn't plant the tiniest seed of doubt in his mind? OK.
I already showed scans of a weakened BA (rather severely, as it happens) BA taking a bloodlusted PG's HV. PG, whose HV has hurt KC Superman when she WASN'T bloodlusted.
Are you talking about telepathic Cassandra Nova? Gotcha.
No! It will not do a thing to him if Black Adam withstood his heat vision (which will not happen). When he fought Tyrant, Masterson, and Nova, all who've withstood his head vision, he did not lose confidence. The only time that happens is when he fight weaklings that withstood his power.
Martian Manhunter heat vision almost melt Black Adam face off. Imagine what Gladiator heat vision that is hotter than stars would do.
Martian Manhunter small dose of heat vision against an amped Adam.
http://s160.photobucket.com/user/EndlessMike9/media-full/Martian%20Manhunter/mmvsblackadam1.jpg.html
The results...
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Proof? There is no dialogue suggesting otherwise. Or narration. Are you adding things that aren't there again, because it doesn't suit your worldview? You always do this.....As for the times he has used it, he has used it more times than Glads has tanked lightning, so.......we both agree that as soon has it comes out (Wisdom of Zehuti, remember, integral to his powerset) Glads gets KO'd?
Remember how you argue that Hulk can go WBH in every fight - even though in his entire history, he does it incredibly rarely? Because it is integrally part of his powerset?
Be consistent. BA has the Wisdom, and the Power.
Now I know why Carter says he owns you all the time and he's going to change his name to "Dark Crusher." He gets owned so badly he's temporarily knocked into an alternate universe where his competent doppelganger actually wins debates. For the few moments that doppelganger is stuck here, he must wonder what's going on.
Originally posted by Delta1938
Now I know why Carter says he owns you all the time and he's going to change his name to "Dark Crusher." He gets owned so badly he's temporarily knocked into an alternate universe where his competent doppelganger actually wins debates. For the few moments that doppelganger is stuck here, he must wonder what's going on.
Lol...I could be destroying someone in a debate and you would never give me my props. Stop making Darksaint feel good on lies.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Ha. that's not HV. It's Martian Vision. It's different. Try again.How was BA amped, anyway?
Plus, you just posted scans of Martian vision being used....against BA who wasn't trying to hurt him badly. And massacring him. Is that how you see this fight going, too?
Martian Vision is a form of heat vision to my recollection.
He had an additional power added to his already existing power. Amped.
In the same fight it was said that Adam doesn't hold back. He was not holding back.
Originally posted by carver9
Martian Vision is a form of heat vision to my recollection.He had an additional power added to his already existing power. Amped.
In the same fight it was said that Adam doesn't hold back. He was not holding back.
A form - but its not 100% the same. Hence why it is called Martian Vision, and not HV (Superman doesn't call it Kryptonian vision, for example).
Who's? Please don't say Isis, because her power came from him giving his power to her.
In the same fight - have you read his words to MM? In your own scans? The words he says to MM? When next we meet, my wrath will devour you?
Proof that BA power shared with Isis:
Originally posted by carver9
Gladiator confidence has never wavered fighting a peer. The only time it drops is when he face people that shouldn't stand a chance against him (Reed and Cannonball) but yet, they do things that shouldn't happen...withstand his blows.
Against Thor, Supreme and Hyperion, he was fine. BA won't shake him a bit.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
A form - but its not 100% the same. Hence why it is called Martian Vision, and not HV (Superman doesn't call it Kryptonian vision, for example).Who's? Please don't say Isis, because her power came from him giving his power to her.
In the same fight - have you read his words to MM? In your own scans? The words he says to MM? When next we meet, my wrath will devour you?
Its a heat attack that the Martians can do as shown here.
http://static.comicvine.com/api/image/original/2646973-1.png
Later on in the same issue this was called Martian Vision.
Yes, Isis.
That doesn't mean Black Adam was holding back...something that he rarely does. That fight wouldn't have went as long if Adam held back. He said that as a threat of killing MM next time. Not that he was pulling his punches.
Originally posted by Delta1938
Now I know why Carter says he owns you all the time and he's going to change his name to "Dark Crusher." He gets owned so badly he's temporarily knocked into an alternate universe where his competent doppelganger actually wins debates. For the few moments that doppelganger is stuck here, he must wonder what's going on.
Dude, shut the hell up with the personal trolling. Are you scared of Carver or something? Stop looking for allies, just stay on topic.
Originally posted by carver9
Its a heat attack that the Martians can do as shown here.http://static.comicvine.com/api/image/original/2646973-1.png
Later on in the same issue this was called Martian Vision.
Yes, Isis.
That doesn't mean Black Adam was holding back...something that he rarely does. That fight wouldn't have went as long if Adam held back. He said that as a threat of killing MM next time. Not that he was pulling his punches.
That it has a heat component, I 100% agree with you.
That it is 100% HV, I do NOT. Hence why it is Martian Vision, which you yourself acknowledge is a FORM of HV, not HV alone.
Well I have posted a scan narrating BA was power sharing with Isis and her little bro. Have you got any evidence that he was amped? I await your scans.
Oh, OK. So he was fighting MM, but not out to kill him. Apparently, that does not mean you're pulling your punches. He RARELY holds back, I agree - but he did so there with MM, a kindred spirit. The only proof you have that he wasn't holding back in that fight was MM's word - whereas BA's words trump that.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
That it has a heat component, I 100% agree with you.That it is 100% HV, I do NOT. Hence why it is Martian Vision, which you yourself acknowledge is a FORM of HV, not HV alone.
Well I have posted a scan narrating BA was power sharing with Isis and her little bro. Have you got any evidence that he was amped? I await your scans.
Oh, OK. So he was fighting MM, but not out to kill him. Apparently, that does not mean you're pulling your punches. He RARELY holds back, I agree - but he did so there with MM, a kindred spirit. The only proof you have that he wasn't holding back in that fight was MM's word - whereas BA's words trump that.
Black Adam face was melting...what else in his Martian vision could've done that besides heat. The heat of the attack melted his face.
Wasn't she powerless when Black Adam had her powers. Iirc, he took everything.
What does him holding back or not have to do with his face melting off anyways. That's irrelevant to the topic. Heat based attacks does damage to Adam, especially when it's aimed at the face.
