Originally posted by carver9
Do you have Gladiator durability?
I am human, he is human. I'd be Low Street, probably, and Manny/Tyson would be High, but still, Street tier.
Living Lightning is....what, Meta? Mid/High.
Gladiator is the highest of heralds. Not to mention, see my post about his confidence. Him not expecting the sucker punch would actually mean his confidence levels are sky high.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
I am human, he is human. I'd be Low Street, probably, and Manny/Tyson would be High, but still, Street tier.Living Lightning is....what, Meta? Mid/High.
Gladiator is the highest of heralds. Not to mention, see my post about his confidence. Him not expecting the sucker punch would actually mean his confidence levels are sky high.
If a scrawny teenager catch you off guard with a punch to the face, it will hurt a lot more than you being aware of said attack. A blind side is one of the worst ways of being hit. Thor hit Gladiator with a blast before living lightning and it bounced off of him. His attacks was ineffective. The ONLY time he was able to damage Glads was with a sneak attack that stunned him.
Originally posted by carver9
If a scrawny teenager catch you off guard with a punch to the face, it will hurt a lot more than you being aware of said attack. A blind side is one of the worst ways of being hit. Thor hit Gladiator with a blast before living lightning and it bounced off of him. His attacks was ineffective. The ONLY time he was able to damage Glads was with a sneak attack that stunned him.
I see what you mean.
So if I braced for the punch, my chin would be harder. Tyson in his prime, still in the same tier as me (unlike Living Lightning/Glads) would be unable to affect me. If I got a knife, and someone slashed me, all I need to do is brace against it, and it would bounce off me. I see.
Actually, I know exactly what you're going to argue. Piercing damage is different, etc etc. We're talking about energy attacks here.
Let's use an iron. A nice, hot iron. Are you saying if I braced myself, it would burn me less? Egads!
Also, I see you ignored my point about Gladiator and his confidence powers.
I shall repeat it here for you.
Gladiator's powers are based on how confident he is. Yes/No?
Was he looking confident at the end of the battle, with Thor on the ground, a sh!t eating smirk on Glad's face, fist on hips? Yes/No?
MY durability does not go up with my confidence. Glads' does. He was winning, he was confident, and at thheight of his powers.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
I see what you mean.So if I braced for the punch, my chin would be harder. Tyson in his prime, still in the same tier as me (unlike Living Lightning/Glads) would be unable to affect me. If I got a knife, and someone slashed me, all I need to do is brace against it, and it would bounce off me. I see.
Actually, I know exactly what you're going to argue. Piercing damage is different, etc etc. We're talking about energy attacks here.
Let's use an iron. A nice, hot iron. Are you saying if I braced myself, it would burn me less? Egads!
Also, I see you ignored my point about Gladiator and his confidence powers.
I shall repeat it here for you.
Gladiator's powers are based on how confident he is. Yes/No?
Was he looking confident at the end of the battle, with Thor on the ground, a sh!t eating smirk on Glad's face, fist on hips? Yes/No?MY durability does not go up with my confidence. Glads' does. He was winning, he was confident, and at thheight of his powers.
So in your opinion a sneak attack is as effective as an attack someone is aware of? A lot of comic characters have been dropped by sneak attacks. Even the strongest like Hulk, Thor, and Superman has been koed by peers with a single hit. I wouldn't hold it against them since we know what would happen in an upfront scenario. It's a sneak attack, no matter how you look at it. If Gladiator was prepared for this attack, it wouldn't have stopped him.
Originally posted by carver9
So in your opinion a sneak attack is as effective as an attack someone is aware of? A lot of comic characters have been dropped by sneak attacks. Even the strongest like Hulk, Thor, and Superman has been koed by peers with a single hit. I wouldn't hold it against them since we know what would happen in an upfront scenario. It's a sneak attack, no matter how you look at it. If Gladiator was prepared for this attack, it wouldn't have stopped him.
Ordinarily, no. It also depends on the attack. An iron is still going to transfer the same amount of heat energy to my face, whether I am prepared or not. Agree?
Hulk/Thor/Superman etc don't have confidence based powers. If they lose their confidence, they don't get weaker, and if they are feeling super confident, they don't get stronger. Agree?
Gladiator had BEATEN Thor. Thor was on the ground, helpless. Gladiator was being super smug. Super confident. IOW, your use of Hulk/Thor//Supes is misleading, because Gladiator would perform best under sneak attack conditions - because he's feeling safe in his victory. Agree?
You then have to answer my point - where would you place Living Lightning. You said Supes/Thor/Hulk have been Koed by their peers - does this mean you believe Lightning to be HH?
Originally posted by carver9
So in your opinion a sneak attack is as effective as an attack someone is aware of? A lot of comic characters have been dropped by sneak attacks. Even the strongest like Hulk, Thor, and Superman has been koed by peers with a single hit. I wouldn't hold it against them since we know what would happen in an upfront scenario. It's a sneak attack, no matter how you look at it. If Gladiator was prepared for this attack, it wouldn't have stopped him.
Let's test this theory by me throwing boiling oil on you, first you being prepared, then you're not prepared. 💃
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Ordinarily, no. It also depends on the attack. An iron is still going to transfer the same amount of heat energy to my face, whether I am prepared or not. Agree?Hulk/Thor/Superman etc don't have confidence based powers. If they lose their confidence, they don't get weaker, and if they are feeling super confident, they don't get stronger. Agree?
Gladiator had BEATEN Thor. Thor was on the ground, helpless. Gladiator was being super smug. Super confident. IOW, your use of Hulk/Thor//Supes is misleading, because Gladiator would perform best under sneak attack conditions - because he's feeling safe in his victory. Agree?
You then have to answer my point - where would you place Living Lightning. You said Supes/Thor/Hulk have been Koed by their peers - does this mean you believe Lightning to be HH?
Even though Gladiator confidence is up, that doesn't mean be can not be hurt.
In that issue, I would say Living Lightning was pretty high in power. Remember, Thor hits/attacks were doing nothing (and Thor is a legit high Herald). Living Lightning (even though it was a sneak attack) was able to do something that Thor, even in a prolong fight, was unable to achieve and that was stun Gladiator.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Ordinarily, no. It also depends on the attack. An iron is still going to transfer the same amount of heat energy to my face, whether I am prepared or not. Agree?
True. However, if you know it's coming then you can mentally prepare for the pain psychologically and overcome the effects better (even if only minimally) than if you were totally surprised. It would still hurt like Hell, of course, but the mind's control over the body isn't to be underestimated.
It should be obvious to everyone that a sucker shot has a much greater chance of KO'ing someone than if the recipient knows it's coming.
Originally posted by carver9
Even though Gladiator confidence is up, that doesn't mean be can not be hurt.In that issue, I would say Living Lightning was pretty high in power. Remember, Thor hits/attacks were doing nothing (and Thor is a legit high Herald). Living Lightning (even though it was a sneak attack) was able to do something that Thor, even in a prolong fight, was unable to achieve and that was stun Gladiator.
True, it does not mean he cannot be hurt - but it DOES mean it should be more difficult to hurt him , than say, if he was expecting an attack and bracing for it. Why brace, after all, unless you thought it could hurt you?
So IYO, Living Lightning was trans (the next step up from HH)?
After all, he managed to stun and stagger a fully confident Gladiator with ONE hit. Something that, as you have said, a legit HH was unable to do in a prolonged fight. That might even be higher than Trans - one hit, after all.
OK.
Living Lightning for Trans/Skyfather, I guess. Glad we got this sorted. And also, a fully confident Glads is less durable than a Glads who expects to be hurt by an attack.
Originally posted by Star428
True. However, if you know it's coming then you can mentally prepare for the pain psychologically and overcome the effects better (even if only minimally) than if you were totally surprised. It would still hurt like Hell, of course, but the mind's control over the body isn't to be underestimated.It should be obvious to everyone that a sucker shot has a much greater chance of KO'ing someone than if the recipient knows it's coming.
The difference is that it's Gladiator. Who gets more powerful/durable the more confident he is.
Having just survived a prolonged encounter with Thor,no, WON, a prolonged encounter, and seeing your enemy lying helpless at your feet....your confidence is sky high. Thus, your durability is also sky high.
Originally posted by Star428
Yeah, I'm not arguing that Gladiator doesn't get more powerful the more confident he gets. I think that's common knowledge that he does. I still don't think it's enough to beat Adam though.
Fair enough.
I've just said that even when his confidence was high, he was stunned by the Living Lightning. Who, I'd wager, is not all that when compared the the lightning of Shazam.
BA is a raging beast, and seeing him tanking hits/powers would likely sap his confidence.
So we have a more powerful lightning attack, and a weaker Gladiator in this fight than compared to the Thor fight.
But apparently, according to Carver, Living Lightning is trans/skyfather lol.
Originally posted by Star428
Yeah, I'm not arguing that Gladiator doesn't get more powerful the more confident he gets. I think that's common knowledge that he does. I still don't think it's enough to beat Adam though.
Lol, he has better strength feats and his strength is dynamic. I don't understand what the argument for BA is. Hell, he's gotten the best of Thor.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
True, it does not mean he cannot be hurt - but it DOES mean it should be more difficult to hurt him , than say, if he was expecting an attack and bracing for it. Why brace, after all, unless you thought it could hurt you?So IYO, Living Lightning was trans (the next step up from HH)?
After all, he managed to stun and stagger a fully confident Gladiator with ONE hit. Something that, as you have said, a legit HH was unable to do in a prolonged fight. That might even be higher than Trans - one hit, after all.
OK.
Living Lightning for Trans/Skyfather, I guess. Glad we got this sorted. And also, a fully confident Glads is less durable than a Glads who expects to be hurt by an attack.
If you are expecting an attack, you'll be more prepared for it than being hit by a surprise attack.
Why trans? High Heralds has koed other High Heralds with single hits. Stun is one thing but outright koing someone is another. Heralds can do this to each other.
Originally posted by carver9
If you are expecting an attack, you'll be more prepared for it than being hit by a surprise attack.Why trans? High Heralds has koed other High Heralds with single hits. Stun is one thing but outright koing someone is another. Heralds can do this to each other.
So Living Lightning is HH? I said trans because you said he did in one hit where a legit HH was unable to do in prolonged combat.
Not just any HH, either. It was Gladiator, and LL also did better than Thor. Two of the top guys in HHs tier.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Fair enough.I've just said that even when his confidence was high, he was stunned by the Living Lightning. Who, I'd wager, is not all that when compared the the lightning of Shazam.
BA is a raging beast, and seeing him tanking hits/powers would likely sap his confidence.
So we have a more powerful lightning attack, and a weaker Gladiator in this fight than compared to the Thor fight.
But apparently, according to Carver, Living Lightning is trans/skyfather lol.
Gladiator confidence has never wavered fighting a peer. The only time it drops is when he face people that shouldn't stand a chance against him (Reed and Cannonball) but yet, they do things that shouldn't happen...withstand his blows.