Originally posted by SunRazer
And Yoda isn't?
But Darth Nihilus is an instrument of hunger and one of the greatest masters of Force Drain and Force Sever applications. This is why he is extremely dangerous in a versus scenario.
While the two chug boulders, cars and trees at each other, expect Darth Nihilus to siphon life-force of Yoda all along until the latter is compromised.
Originally posted by SunRazer
Didn't see one thing that related to my point. That you managed to type up all of this with no relevance to the post that you quoted might be a world record.And Yoda isn't?
1. That Yoda's triumph was not such a BIG VICTORY! And that Sidious is highly elevated to a god-like status because of these statements.
2. No, he isn't. An aberration that easily holds a 1,3 km ship and even weakened he did it. You don't understand the magnitude of his power. We didn't even get to see Darth Nihilus' limits in terms of Force strength. And keep in mind he TK'ed with relative ease the Ravager before he started to eat planets.
Clearly, I don't see how Yoda even has the slightest chance to compete with Nihilus' stupid Force strength.
Sw Legends stop. Yoda doesn't have the power to compete with Nihilus in terms of Force strength.
Originally posted by SunRazer
Sidious is canonically more powerful than Nihilus, and he failed to dominate Yoda. Case closed.
Does that count as "logical argument" somewhere in a galaxy far, far away? Because it certainly doesn't here.
a)
That Sidious is more powerful than Nihilus (which can easily be argued - but let us not get down that path) doesn't mean that he is superior in every imagineable way. So Nihilus' "force drain" might pose a greater threat than Sidious force lightning. Which is entirely irrelevant. Because:
b)
Why would two individuals who made a point of utilizing area affect attacks against opposing groups (especially Vitiate - against his own Dark Council, against the Jedi Strike team) attempt to take down opponents in some duellist fashion? And:
c)
I wonder why people always fall back to hasty generalizations and A>B>C-arguments. The only Dark Sider on the level of Nihilus or Vitiate (possible) that Yoda confronted, was Sidious. While Sidious has never faced another powerful Dark Sider in combat. So one really has to wonder, how Yoda and Sidious suddenly become "immune" to rather elaborated and large scale dark side powers, utilzed by two individuals who "ate planets", based on the notion of them being "more powerful" than their opponents.
I think Nai's argument is pretty rock solid. Even assuming Team 2 can defend themselves from Nihilus' drain, which is a flat out baseless assumption, there's no way they can do that and survive against what Vitiate can throw at them at the same time.
That said, you're a bit out of date Nai, Sidious fought Mother Talzin in Son of Dathomir. He didn't perform that spectacularly though so take it how you want.
Originally posted by Nephthys
That said, you're a bit out of date Nai, Sidious fought Mother Talzin in Son of Dathomir. He didn't perform that spectacularly though so take it how you want.
I was thinking about "Sith" when I wrote "Dark Siders". I'm very well aware of that incident and, yes, he didn't perform that spectacularly, which could be seen as evidence for the idea, that he doesn't do as good against other Dark Side user, than he does against Jedi (with Mace Windu, utilizing the dark side as a weapon for the light with Vaapad, being a prime example).
Originally posted by Nephthys
For once it would be nice imo, for there to be a Force duel where the characters actually use the supposed crazy levels of force knowledge and techniques they have. Instead of the few basic attacks over and over.
I agree. But then, the special effects department probably doesn't.
Originally posted by Nai
Does that count as "logical argument" somewhere in a galaxy far, far away? Because it certainly doesn't here.a)
That Sidious is more powerful than Nihilus (which can easily be argued - but let us not get down that path) doesn't mean that he is superior in every imagineable way. So Nihilus' "force drain" might pose a greater threat than Sidious force lightning. Which is entirely irrelevant. Because: b)
Why would two individuals who made a point of utilizing area affect attacks against opposing groups (especially Vitiate - against his own Dark Council, against the Jedi Strike team) attempt to take down opponents in some duellist fashion? And: c)
I wonder why people always fall back to hasty generalizations and A>B>C-arguments. The only Dark Sider on the level of Nihilus or Vitiate (possible) that Yoda confronted, was Sidious. While Sidious has never faced another powerful Dark Sider in combat. So one really has to wonder, how Yoda and Sidious suddenly become "immune" to rather elaborated and large scale dark side powers, utilzed by two individuals who "ate planets", based on the notion of them being "more powerful" than their opponents.
And that I think, is the inherent problem with your line of thought Sunrazer. Those who believe Sheev isn't 'zeh most powerful' are not synonymous with the Flat earth Society, rather that they're heretics of an ancient religion. It is pretty much your own opinion that Sidious is the most powerful based of dubious claims that are failable, and mostly out of date.
Not at all. I've accepted the idea that Vitiate might just be excluded from the quotes (though I presented my reason for otherwise in that thread where I still haven't had a reponse), but Nihilus? No. Some of the quotes are published after his existence, and the fact that numerous authors in numerous sources across decades have supported the notion means that it's one of the most ingrained facts of all SW lore.
As for flat earth society - that's synonymous to the "political power" arguments, when there's some quotes that blatantly refer to mastery of the dark side, lol.
Originally posted by SunRazer
lmfaoNihilus is nowhere near top-tier, either. I mean, he's below even MW Revan and all the Ancient Sith, and his greatest power and statements come from hyperbole and the fact that the galaxy was in ruins during his prime, hurr durr