Originally posted by SunRazer
It's really not worth responding to people who believe Palpatine's supremacy quotes came from Lucas or people who think he can't control his Wormholes by DE.
Originally posted by NewGuy01
If their defenses were a coordinated effort where the melded their power to stop their foe, you may have had a point there. But no, we're talking about 100 individual Jedi who were hit by surprise and had no idea what was killing them.
Originally posted by AncientPower
Nihilus' drain is so amazing that he can strip(but not kill) Darth Traya and kill Darth Sion, neither of whom would even appear on the radar of Darth Sidious
I'm sorry: He tried to kill one of them with the aforementioned technique where exactly?
In all actual seriousness, Darth Traya taught Nihilus the greatest heights of the technique itself. She explains that what he uses is an instinctive form of Drain Life, a technique that cannot be taught but experienced, something as old as the Sith themselves are. It is not some justifiable 'no limits fallacy' power.
Wrong. Traya explicitly states that Nihilus is the "pinnacle" of that ability, so it stands to reason that he is better with it than anybody else, an idea supported by the stuff he does with it. Furthermore did the Jedi most likely know defense against a simple Force Drain. And I'm not even applying a "no limits fallacy" here. I'm merely asking you why it would be harder to overpower Yoda and Sidious, than it was to overpower 100+ Jedi and millions (?) of Miraluka.
You didn't understand the Krayt/Abeloth comparison, evidently, allow me to explain. Having a 'hax' power such as Sever Force or Drain, is only useful against those of similar or lesser power than yourself. The precedent for this is based on Urr vs Kun, Krayt vs Abeloth, etc.
I didn't understand the comparison because:
a) It's a different power.
b) Is Krayt most likely less proficient than Nihilus with his.
c) Is Abeloth by far more powerful than Sidious.
And if "hax" powers are just effective against beings with similar or lesser power, I wonder how Kyle Kartan managed to use Sever Force against Jerec, who was, at that time, amped by the power of the Valley of the Jedi.
Sidious is much too powerful to fall prey to a Drain Life technique, let alone him and Yoda combined.
Yes. I acknowledged that idea. My argument was that they need to defend themselve against that and against Vitiate attacking them at the same time, since both he and Nihilus operate with area effect offensive abilities.
@Beniboybling:
Originally posted by Beniboybling
Which is the key, it's an impressive display in terms of the quantity of energy drained, but considering that he only had to overcome the middling defences of each individual Jedi on the planet, it hardly proves he can overwhelm the likes of Yoda and Sidious.
He needed to overwhelm their defenses simultaneously with his attack.
Originally posted by Beniboybling
Makes little difference tbh, he engulfed the planet in an indiscriminate storm of draining energy and anyone who was caught in it died, under those circumstances the number of individuals consumed is largely, if not completely, irrelevant.
Except he did not.
He actively spared Visas Marr from that attack, which means he didn't just summon some "indiscriminate storm" of draining energy that destroyed everyone on the planet. He actively controlled that drain.
And even assuming you were correct: He can summon a planetary-scale drain-energy storm that kills just everyone, but he will fail utilizing that power against two individuals? 😉
Originally posted by SunRazer
He "spared" Visas? Other than Kreia's false hype pertaining to Nihilus, is this actually supported anywhere? Sources describe Nihilus going down to look for any survivors - ergo, he wasn't actively trying to keep someone alive, and certainly wasn't aware of them.
He needed a Miraluka.
You know these creatures can detect the Force energies of other planets.They basically see with the Force. That's why he needed her.
Here it is just PIS and WIS that she outrightly ''survived''.
[@Nai]
Can you tell me why you think that Sidious is more powerful than Nihilus?
It'd help me you know...
Originally posted by NaiSo he (may have) stopped the storm from consuming one person, it changes nothing lol.
Except he did not.
He actively spared Visas Marr from that attack, which means he didn't just summon some "indiscriminate storm" of draining energy that destroyed everyone on the planet. He actively controlled that drain.And even assuming you were correct: He can summon a planetary-scale drain-energy storm that kills just everyone, but he will fail utilizing that power against two individuals? 😉
And the point is that you have no proof such a power would be effective against powerhouses of Yoda & Sidious' caliber.
Originally posted by Beniboybling
So he (may have) stopped the storm from consuming one person, it changes nothing lol.And the point is that you have no proof such a power would be effective against powerhouses of Yoda & Sidious' caliber.
Bling Bling Boy tell us and enlighten us why couldn't Nihilus Hunger both Yoda and Sidious?
First, you do realize that neither of them have Force drain immunity(that's just Anakin and Ulic)
Second, what Nihilus does is not even Force drain. Nihilus got that ability from Bao-Dur's Mass Shadow Generator.
Two individuals means nothing to a stoopa dark side aberration like Darth Nihilus. Yoda's and Sidious' Force strength is nothing to the Force energies of entire planets which Nihilus had easily devoured with his stupid Nom-Nomness.
@SunRazer:
Originally posted by SunRazer
He "spared" Visas? Other than Kreia's false hype pertaining to Nihilus, is this actually supported anywhere? Sources describe Nihilus going down to look for any survivors - ergo, he wasn't actively trying to keep someone alive, and certainly wasn't aware of them.
You mean other then Visas constantly pointing to the fact that Nihilus spared her and "Unseen, Unheared" pretty much showing that Nihilus appears right in front of her to pick her up? I wonder what sources you have consulted that describe Nihilus as not sparing her - because I can't think of any.
@Beniboybling:
Originally posted by Beniboybling
So he (may have) stopped the storm from consuming one person, it changes nothing lol.And the point is that you have no proof such a power would be effective against powerhouses of Yoda & Sidious' caliber.
If he can stop the "storm" from consuming one person, than he has more control over its "targets" than you assumed.
And, woohoo, you have no "proof" that any power of Sidious or Yoda would be effective against such "powerhouses" as Nihilus or Vitiate. If you want to turn this into a happy denial festivity, I instantly win, because - unlike Sidious and Yoda - Vitiate and Nihilus have killed rather many force users with their force abilities.
That aside: You have, once more, ignored the point. While the Drain may or may not (I ain't sure) kill the likes of Yoda and Sidious, it would certainly require that they defend themselves against it. And that's the point where Vitiate could fire away with another "area attack" (e.g. the lightning storm he utilized against the Jedi Strike Team coming for him). And I found it questionable that Yoda and Sidious would still be standing after that.
The other way around, Yoda lacks the offensive abilities to deal with the team, while I also don't see Sidious taking out people with the Force here. So, as I already said: Yoda and Sidious would probably win this in a melee, but I don't see how they'd win a "wizard duel" (aka force contest) against the Sith duo.