Originally posted by ArtificialGlory
Is that so? Both are willing to obfuscate and outright lie when it fits their respective agendas.
One of them wants to desperately seem fair and balanced (which is their agenda, rather than a partisan one) and the other is a propaganda arm of the Republican party which refuses to even try for objectivity.
Originally posted by Bardock42
I don't agree with that. Fox News from time to time, very rarely, hits on a valid point and does good reporting. CNN considerably more often hits on valid points and does good, journalistic reporting.
I think that both are capable of that when they're not pushing their respective agendas.
Originally posted by Bardock42
One of them wants to desperately seem fair and balanced (which is their agenda, rather than a partisan one) and the other is a propaganda arm of the Republican party which refuses to even try for objectivity.
If CNN's agenda is to seem fair and balanced..holy hell have they run way way off course of that goal. So I dunno what is worse since..well, Fox news according to you is a propaganda arm of the Republicans which means it technically hasn't failed in its goal while CNN has failed almost to the point where we need a new and better word then "failure" to describe it.
I don't know about terrorists, but they are still obnoxious. I heard about how they busted into some restaurant on New Years' Day in Chicago chanting and all that shit.
Now some might be saying "well gee they are just trying to spread awareness of BLM" but see I can only speak for myself: I don't go out to fancy restaurants very often. So when I do I want to get my money's worth, and that doesn't happen if a bunch of dipshits come in screaming and chanting. It is more or less equivalent to someone who brings a baby that won't stop crying to a restaurant.
Their reason? They wanted the people having a nice brunch to know about black struggles with cops. You see because the struggles in the black community with cops is something the media rarely talks about so they had to educate them. You know nothing gets someone to see your point of view like being as loud and obnoxious as possible. Now if they want to come and pay for my meal then by all means they can come scream and holler all they want. Some people were also arrested because they tried to push their way past a police barricade or something. Are they crazy? Why do they constantly seem to try to f*ck with cops?
I firmly believe not every protest has to be obnoxious. Some people feel differently, but I don't.
Originally posted by Surtur
I don't know about terrorists,
Yea, definitely not.
They are not trying to enforce a policy change via fear and threat of violence.
but they are still obnoxious. I heard about how they busted into some restaurant on New Years' Day in Chicago chanting and all that shit.Now some might be saying "well gee they are just trying to spread awareness of BLM" but see I can only speak for myself: I don't go out to fancy restaurants very often. So when I do I want to get my money's worth, and that doesn't happen if a bunch of dipshits come in screaming and chanting. It is more or less equivalent to someone who brings a baby that won't stop crying to a restaurant.
That is basically the purpose of protests.
Martin Luthor King's sit-ins were for the exact same reasons: Namely, be a large enough annoyance than people pay attention to the problem, see the problem, and recognize the way to stop the annoyances is to stop the problem.
I mean, people do this because non-violent protests of these matters work.
Their reason? They wanted the people having a nice brunch to know about black struggles with cops. You see because the struggles in the black community with cops is something the media rarely talks about so they had to educate them. You know nothing gets someone to see your point of view like being as loud and obnoxious as possible. Now if they want to come and pay for my meal then by all means they can come scream and holler all they want. Some people were also arrested because they tried to push their way past a police barricade or something. Are they crazy? Why do they constantly seem to try to f*ck with cops?
Because the situation is bad enough, and being quiet about it, or politely asking/informing people, hasn't worked.
It's like, ever had a problem that your (boss/landlord/whatever) absolutely won't pay attention to or fix no matter how many times you tell them, until you start really leaning on them hard and making a bother until they get off their butts and fix it?
Step one to any problem: Get it noticed. If you run out of polite ways to get it noticed, then, yea, you bang pots and pans and yell loudly until people notice.
I firmly believe not every protest has to be obnoxious. Some people feel differently, but I don't.
I don't think history will bear you out on that.
The gay movement got it's big successes where it was loud and vocal.
The 60s civil rights movement without a doubt relied heavily on such tactics.
Being obnoxious is, arguably, the point of a protest. If it's not obnoxious, it can simply be ignored. If the problem can be solved without doing so, then it almost never needs a protest to begin with.
Now, we have a situation where people in the black community are dying to cops 3:1 over white people- more in specific areas- and cops have a notable history of escalating conflicts with black suspects in a way they don't white suspects.
Calmly, non-obnoxiously approached it has been the approach for decades... and the problem remained, and you probably weren't even aware of the problem.
Now that they're being obnoxious, you do know about the problem, and now you can decide which is the worst thing, some people being obnoxious to put pressure, or bad behavior leading to regular deaths.
That you even know the problem is a success, because even if you come in to it somewhat annoyed at them, that sure beats you not knowing about it at all.
Originally posted by Q99
Now, we have a situation where people in the black community are dying to cops 3:1 over white people- more in specific areas- and cops have a notable history of escalating conflicts with black suspects in a way they don't white suspects.
If the BLM wanted to be taken seriously and not just an angry group they would address the police and violence in their own communities.