Black Lives Matter vs All Lives Matter

Are we arguing that a trustworthy, unbiased, hard-working police force is essential to stop black on black crime (and that this point is standing in contrast to PSmith's notion that poverty and drugs are the real causes of black on black crime)?

If so, I'd list these, in this order:

1. Subculture.
2. Education.
3. Poverty.
4. Drugs.
...

102. Reliable, trustworthy, unbiased, hard-working police force.

At the risk of cherry picking, some communities don't even have police and they have absurdly low crime rates. I don't see police as being a major factor in stopping black on black crime. In sociology, it is always discussed as a poverty, education, and culture issue, not a "law enforcement" issue.

Originally posted by Bardock42
I have no idea what you are trying to say with this. It's all over the place.

It seemed easy to understand to me.

Originally posted by Mindset
No lives matter.

I find the black lives matter to be more nonsensical because it's actually not true. Just like "hands up don't shoot" wasn't true. We can call a spade a spade: it's not black lives matter. It's..black lives matter when taken by white cops. If black lives in general mattered blacks would not be the biggest killer of blacks in this country.

It's hard to see a group go on about how black lives matter when if you look at the statistics..clearly black lives don't matter all that much to the people of said group. Excuses will be given as to why blacks kill so many other blacks, while the cops will merely just be outright demonized.

Originally posted by Surtur
I find the black lives matter to be more nonsensical because it's actually not true. Just like "hands up don't shoot" wasn't true. We can call a spade a spade: it's not black lives matter. It's..black lives matter when taken by white cops. If black lives in general mattered blacks would not be the biggest killer of blacks in this country.

It's hard to see a group go on about how black lives matter when if you look at the statistics..clearly black lives don't matter all that much.

I hate to piggy-back on a post like this but if you include abortions, like many in the black community do, then they kill hundreds of thousands or millions of black lives before they even get a chance to be born, each year.

Also keep in mind people will use these rare instances of police brutality in order to generalize all cops. Yet these same people would cry "racism" if someone were generalizing a specific race as nothing but criminals.

But it has to be an all or nothing thing for me. If we're going to judge entire groups of people based on the actions of a few then we do that across the board or we don't do it at all.

Originally posted by Surtur
Also keep in mind people will use these rare instances of police brutality in order to generalize all cops. Yet these same people would cry "racism" if someone were generalizing a specific race as nothing but criminals.

But it has to be an all or nothing thing for me. If we're going to judge entire groups of people based on the actions of a few then we do that across the board or we don't do it at all.

Whether you like it or not it, whether it is a handful of people or not it is happening.

Originally posted by Newjak
Most people, at least on KMC, are not generalizing cops though by saying all/most cops are bad. They are looking at statistical trends in how cops interact with various races which shows that in general the justice system seems to have a bias against blacks.

Whether you like it or not it, whether it is a handful of people or not it is happening.

I wasn't talking about people specifically at KMC, but in general..I'm sure you've read articles before about police brutality and have seen people commenting and lumping in all cops into the same category.

I know that it is happening, but so is all that black on black crime. Yet there is almost a stigma with even mentioning the fact I just noted if it is a white person saying it.

Originally posted by Surtur
I wasn't talking about people specifically at KMC, but in general..I'm sure you've read articles before about police brutality and have seen people commenting and lumping in all cops into the same category.

I know that it is happening, but so is all that black on black crime. Yet there is almost a stigma with even mentioning the fact I just noted if it is a white person saying it.

While yes there are people out there that generalize cops the #BlackLivesMatter movement seems more focused on the bias against blacks in the justice system then it does generalizing and saying ALL Cops are bad.

As to the black on black crime. Once again most articles/topics I've seen show that this is an issue that needs to be taken care.

I think the stigma of it comes from it being used as a casual way to dismiss the #BlackLivesMatter movement which is a trend I've also seen. People wave it so frantically to discredit black lives matter as a legitimate movement trying to help black americans that #BlackLivesMatter has had to fight back against it.

My best analogy is think of a car with brakes that are going bad and a flat tire. You want the mechanic to fix the flat tire because that is what you have money for and the brakes can wait a little bit. The mechanic refuses to fix the flat tire though until you also decide to get brakes fixed at the same time. The Mechanics says that if you only want to get the tire fixed you obviously don't care enough about your car's problems.

In this case the bias against blacks in the justice system is the tire and the brakes represent the back on black crime.

And this is the largest trend I've seen when people mention black on black crime in the context of the black lives matter movement. It's a separate topic and people keep trying to act like they are one and the same and because BlackLivesMatter isn't addressing both of those issues that somehow makes their movement wrong or invalid.

This thread is funny-sad.

Someone says: "Save the Ca. Condor."

Assclowns respond: "Save all the birds!"

Rob we know you are black. You live in SF, you are OK.🙂

That's confusing on many levels.

He cracks jokes because he can't refute your point

I'm just waiting for inevitable 'shift the topic to Clinton' deflection.

Originally posted by Lestov16
He cracks jokes because he can't refute your point

I was not taking an opinion in this thread, read up before you speak up, minor.

Originally posted by Robtard
This thread is funny-sad.

Someone says: "Save the Ca. Condor."

Assclowns respond: "Save all the birds!"

It's actually more like..just pointing out all the problems the Ca. Condors face do not merely come from the outside, but a whole shitload come from within the Condor community.

Don't forget the Delta Smelt.

Originally posted by Surtur
It's actually more like..just pointing out all the problems the Ca. Condors face do not merely come from the outside, but a whole shitload come from within the Condor community.

Nah, it's deliberately downplaying a legitimate issue (ie police brutality towards black people) by trying to blanket it with something else.

Sure, black civilians do kill other black civilians, that's a problem too. It doesn't do away with the other though.

Originally posted by Lestov16
He cracks jokes because he can't refute your point

And what point would that be? That this topic according to rob is "funny-sad", whereas in reality, intellectual discourse is what's actually going on?

Originally posted by Surtur
It's actually more like..just pointing out all the problems the Ca. Condors face do not merely come from the outside, but a whole shitload come from within the Condor community.

No one's arguing that police brutality is the only problem in the black community, but it's the issue that Black Lives Matter is concerned with and other issues are a separate matter. All Lives Matter ignores the fact that the value of black lives where many police and the media are concerned is in question, more so than white lives. It has a specific purpose, whereas All Lives Matter is a platitude created by people who don't understand the meaning of Black Lives Matter and think it's discriminatory.

Originally posted by psmith81992
And what point would that be? That this topic according to rob is "funny-sad", whereas in reality, intellectual discourse is what's actually going on?

He ran off cause he spoke to soon without actually reading.

Typical