Superman(Reeves) vs MCU, DCCU, Arrowverse, XMCU, Star Wars and Hancock

Started by Nibedicus20 pages

Originally posted by juggerman
And he's had trouble with mutants. Alien minds would be vastly different

I guess experience was the wrong word. He has no feats with other worldly beings

Mutants which have shown impressive will or have powers with natural resistances to TP.

He doesn't need feats with otherworldy beings as long as the otherworldly beings demonstrate characteristics that make their minds similar to what Xavier has been known to affect.

What is so hard to figure out here? As it is, you're just beind intentionally dense.

Originally posted by FrothByte
Reeve being bloodlusted is nothing compared to the team having 1 week prep.

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That might be true if the team had an actual way to hurt him or negate his ungodly speed advantage. They don't... and no, I don't think X's tp will make Superman fold like putty in X's hands. MY stance hasn't changed that you can't just automatically assume X's mind powers will work on a being who has a much stronger mind than anything X has encountered before and even if they did affect Clark on some scale as strong as his mind is pretty sure he could fight it off long enough to turn X into a corpse.

Originally posted by Star428
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That might be true if the team had an actual way to hurt him or negate his ungodly speed advantage. They don't... and no, I don't think X's tp will make Superman fold like putty in X's hands. MY stance hasn't changed that you can't just automatically assume X's mind powers will work on a being who has a much stronger mind than anything X has encountered before and even if they did effect Clark on some scale as strong as his mind is pretty sure he could fight it off long enough to turn X into a corpse.

Superman doesn't have a fighting speed advantage.

Superman would travel back in time and then punch them all in the face when they're babies.

Originally posted by Star428
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That might be true if the team had an actual way to hurt him or negate his ungodly speed advantage. They don't... and no, I don't think X's tp will make Superman fold like putty in X's hands. MY stance hasn't changed that you can't just automatically assume X's mind powers will work on a being who has a much stronger mind than anything X has encountered before and even if they did affect Clark on some scale as strong as his mind is pretty sure he could fight it off long enough to turn X into a corpse.

So you don't think the combined mind powers of Xavier, Phoenix, Scarlet Witch, Loki's mind gem and that mutant with nightmare powers will be enough to scramble Reeve's brains?

Besides, what makes you think Hancock is not strong enough to hurt Reeve?

Originally posted by Robtard
Superman would travel back in time and then punch them all in the face when they're babies.

Flash would travel back in time first and feed Reeve some red sun tablets.

Nah, Superman's faster

Originally posted by FrothByte
So you don't think the combined mind powers of Xavier, Phoenix, Scarlet Witch, Loki's mind gem and that mutant with nightmare powers will be enough to scramble Reeve's brains?

Besides, what makes you think Hancock is not strong enough to hurt Reeve?

He likely believes that Superman would beat Morgan Freeman's character from Bruce Almighty.

Originally posted by Robtard
Nah, Superman's faster

But Flash has 1 week prep. And he can travel back in time by just running a few miles whereas Superman needs to rotate the world.

Flash can't time travel during the prep week

Originally posted by Robtard
Flash can't time travel during the prep week

Why not? I saw no stip against that.

Originally posted by FrothByte
But Flash has 1 week prep. And he can travel back in time by just running a few miles whereas Superman needs to rotate the world.

He can't kill him in prep.

Originally posted by Nibedicus
Durability. In order to manipulate matter, your power has to bypass its natural ability to stay the way it is. It's not explicitly mentioned to be required, but it is a reasonable deduction based on now matter manip should work.

But he's made of matter. If you can manip matter then you can manip matter just like you are giving X the nod here. If he can TP minds then any mind so long as no resistance to it was shown

Originally posted by Silent Master
Which means that you're admitting that Superman is vulnerable to TP and other mind attacks, both of which are of a lower power level than Prof X's own mind powers. Yet you're insisting that the X-men universe not having aliens means that all aliens are immune to X-men type TP.

I'm not tho. I'm asking for evidence it works on more than just human/mutants. Also as I've said the other guys' power is different

Originally posted by Nibedicus
Mutants which have shown impressive will or have powers with natural resistances to TP.

He doesn't need feats with otherworldy beings as long as the otherworldly beings demonstrate characteristics that make their minds similar to what Xavier has been known to affect.

What is so hard to figure out here? As it is, you're just beind intentionally dense.

What makes you assume other worldly minds are similar? Because they can use our language?

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
He can't kill him in prep.

But Flash can start running while at prep and as soon as the bell rings he's gone back to the past... whereas Superman needs to go round the world a few times before he can time travel.

Flash has also shown he can go back further into the past whereas Superman only went back a few minutes (or was it a few hours?)

Originally posted by juggerman
But he's made of matter. If you can manip matter then you can manip matter just like you are giving X the nod here. If he can TP minds then any mind so long as no resistance to it was shown

It can be reasonably argued that matter "resists" manipulation due to to its durability. When moving molecules around, you first need to determine you have the power to move said molecules if they are bonded too strongly together. This is not the forum for it so I'll just leave it at that.

Same goes with TP, it can be reasonably argued that "willpower" can be used to resist TP. Simple as that.

Originally posted by juggerman
What makes you assume other worldly minds are similar? Because they can use our language?

They have thought, thus they have minds that can be affected. Onus is on you to provide evidence that suggest that their minds have some kind of special characteristic to it that will make they immune to Xavier's TP.

We are just going to go in circles here aren't we? We are both aware about the evidence available for either of our cases. It's obvious no argument short of an actual alien being affected (and then, you'd just go on to say: "but has he ever affected a Kryptonian before??). So why keep this going? At this point, you're just fishing for replies.

Answer this question:

Do you have any proof/showings that Superman whether by virtue of his powers or biology possessing any kind of resistance to TP?

Originally posted by Nibedicus
It can be reasonably argued that matter "resists" manipulation due to to its durability. When moving molecules around, you first need to determine you have the power to move said molecules if they are bonded too strongly together. This is not the forum for it so I'll just leave it at that.

Same goes with TP, it can be reasonably argued that "willpower" can be used to resist TP. Simple as that.

They have thought, thus they have minds that can be affected. Onus is on you to provide evidence that suggest that their minds have some kind of special characteristic to it that will make they immune to Xavier's TP.

We are just going to go in circles here aren't we? We are both aware about the evidence available for either of our cases. It's obvious no argument short of an actual alien being affected (and then, you'd just go on to say: "but has he ever affected a Kryptonian before??). So why keep this going? At this point, you're just fishing for replies.

Answer this question:

Do you have any proof/showings that Superman whether by virtue of his powers or biology possessing any kind of resistance to TP?

Did I ask for a showing from Scarlet Witch affecting a Kryptonian before I stated I thought she could affect Superman?

I'm not fishing for replies. You refused to answer certain questions of mine and refused to take the convo in the thread I made for it. You continue to act as if X should just get the benefit of the doubt. I'm fine giving it to him if that was the way it was done across the board here. It's not tho for some reason so it shouldn't be for him

Originally posted by juggerman
I'm not tho. I'm asking for evidence it works on more than just human/mutants. Also as I've said the other guys' power is different

IOW, you're claiming that Prof X's TP has a limit and then asking other people to prove you wrong.

Originally posted by juggerman
Did I ask for a showing from Scarlet Witch affecting a Kryptonian before I stated I thought she could affect Superman?

I'm not fishing for replies. You refused to answer certain questions of mine and refused to take the convo in the thread I made for it. You continue to act as if X should just get the benefit of the doubt. I'm fine giving it to him if that was the way it was done across the board here. It's not tho for some reason so it shouldn't be for him

But that's the direction of your logic when looked at another way, you might as well make that same argument. The fact that you are inconsistent with it (as per your Scarlet Witch reply), only demonstrates how you can't seem to see the flaw in your logic.

And for the record, I didn't refuse to reply to certain questions of yours, I refused to go to another (irrelevant) thread to argue the same circular debate you seem stuck with. But as for this thread, I replied to every post you made. If you're going to make an accusation, best be accurate about it.

It's not "the benefit of the doubt". There is both logic and evidence that infer that we are correct.

This is a hypothetical battle where the characters are different and most likely will never meet in a real scenario. As much as we can, we try and argue using absolute truth, but we use the best evidence we can. Thing is, you've presented zero, zilch, nil, nadda evidence whatsoever to present your argument. And gone with the whole "absence of evidence is evidence of absence" route, although the logic we have presented can be VERY EASILY extrapolated from existing evidence from on screen showings.

There can be no absolute evidence in this case (being a hypothetical scenario between two completely different works of fiction), just the best argument with the best logic possible using the best evidence available.

Originally posted by Nibedicus
This is a hypothetical battle where the characters are different and most likely will never meet in a real scenario. As much as we can, we try and argue using absolute truth, but we use the best evidence we can. Thing is, you've presented zero, zilch, nil, nadda evidence whatsoever to present your argument. And gone with the whole "absence of evidence is evidence of absence" route, although the logic we have presented can be VERY EASILY extrapolated from existing evidence from on screen showings.

There can be no absolute evidence in this case (being a hypothetical scenario between two completely different works of fiction), just the best argument with the best logic possible using the best evidence available.

Very well said.

Vader chops his head off.