Originally posted by juggerman
Xavier has only affected humans and mutants iirc(Not sure if he ever affected an animal). Mutants are very close to humans in their make up with only one difference(X-Gene). You can't compare that to a completely alien life form that has no common link.Nothing was ever stated about his will being strong. You're making that up. All we were told was he was too powerful to hold for long. Superman is much more power and therefore should be able to resist Xavier more easily.
Humans are not far from mutants. They are very close seeing as how one comes from the other. Giving X the nod without any proof just seems like wishful thinking to me especially given the scrutiny given to other characters on this forum. You saying it will work is at best an assumption. Notice that I'm not saying it wouldn't work. I'm saying we can't assume it will and therefore cannot use it in a vs debate. The team has other means of victory anyway.
Maybe I should open a thread just for this topic so we don't have to derail this thread.
It takes a few minor differences in DNA to make a human into a pig. Your argument would have merit if his powers only affected someone based on their DNA. This is not the case. Stop with the DNA argument, it has no bearing here. Zero, zilch, nil.
And the X-Gene might just be ONE thing. But it's one HUGE phucking one thing. The "one thing" that can turn a human into a shapeshifter or turn a human into a being of PURE ice or DIAMOND the one thing that can make a human practically immortal. I will argue that there is more difference between Iceman (a being that can turn to PURE ice) and a normal human than a normal human and a dog (at least a dog still has blood and bone, etc).
The question here is if Xavier can affect beings of a drastically different biological makeups. And mutants, by nature and biology, are so different from humans (and each other) that this question is easily answered.
As with telepathy, a target's will is the resisting factor behind it the same way when we make a physical attack, a target's durability is the resisting factor behind how much damage we inflict. This is an accepted interaction in any works of fiction. I'm sure you are not saying that one's physical power has something to do with how Xavier's telepathy works, as that would not only be stupid, that would be unique to this one fictional instance vs the several many many instances in fiction where this is not the case. If that is the case, you are essentially making asinine arguments that cannot be disproven by evidence for the very reason that they are asinine. Don't be "that guy".
No, me saying it will work is NOT an assumption, it is supported by evidence. You not saying it may not work (and while you never used this wording, the fact that you want to make such a tactic inadmissible at the very least implies this) is the assumption here. You just do not find the evidence acceptable, but that is not my problem.
At the end of the day, you argue that Xavier only affects specific targets based on their biology (alien vs human). While presenting zero evidence of their minds/brains being different.
I present evidence of his powers affecting beings of drastically different biological makeups as well as evidence that seems to point that Xavier's mind works beyond simple biology. That is enough.
End of the day, my evidence > yours.
Originally posted by juggerman
That's different and you know it. But please, let's take this to the thread I made so we don't clutter this anymorehttp://www.killermovies.com/forums/f102/t617214.html
Nope. If you wanna argue it in a new thread, be my guest.
We'll just stay here and say Xavier freezes Superman in place.