Superman(Reeves) vs MCU, DCCU, Arrowverse, XMCU, Star Wars and Hancock

Originally posted by Silent Master
IOW, you're claiming that Prof X's TP has a limit and then asking other people to prove you wrong.

So he has no limit iyo?

Originally posted by Nibedicus
But that's the direction of your logic when looked at another way, you might as well make that same argument. The fact that you are inconsistent with it (as per your Scarlet Witch reply), only demonstrates how you can't seem to see the flaw in your logic.

And for the record, I didn't refuse to reply to certain questions of yours, I refused to go to another (irrelevant) thread to argue the same circular debate you seem stuck with. But as for this thread, I replied to every post you made. If you're going to make an accusation, best be accurate about it.

It's not "the benefit of the doubt". There is both logic and evidence that infer that we are correct.

This is a hypothetical battle where the characters are different and most likely will never meet in a real scenario. As much as we can, we try and argue using absolute truth, but we use the best evidence we can. Thing is, you've presented zero, zilch, nil, nadda evidence whatsoever to present your argument. And gone with the whole "absence of evidence is evidence of absence" route, although the logic we have presented can be VERY EASILY extrapolated from existing evidence from on screen showings.

There can be no absolute evidence in this case (being a hypothetical scenario between two completely different works of fiction), just the best argument with the best logic possible using the best evidence available.

It's not inconstant as SW has affected aliens.

You did refuse to answer questions. You refused to answer what limits X has. You refused to answer if X could affect Freeman god. I was accurate about it. 👆

Originally posted by juggerman
So he has no limit iyo?

So what you're claiming is that the only way for Prof X to be able to effect Superman is if his TP was limitless. Do you have any proof to back this up?

Originally posted by juggerman
It's not inconstant as SW has affected aliens.

You did refuse to answer questions. You refused to answer what limits X has. You refused to answer if X could affect Freeman god. I was accurate about it. 👆

Aliens differ from each other moreso than humans do to mutants. Your "logic" is flawed and inconsistent. The fact that you cannot see the flaw makes me shake my head.

No. I replied with a question to ascertain relevance. That is not refusing anything at all. And if by "refused to answer what limits X has" you mean when you made a new thread, well, it was a separate thread that has nothing to do with the current debate, so it was not really a reply within this thread, was it?

It's cool how you pick like 1 or 2 sentences (irrelevant ones at that) in a reply and ignore everything else. And then point out how I "refused to answer 2 questions" when you are literally ignoring whole paragraphs.

Good job. 👆

If you're going to point things out (badly at that), at least try not to sound like a freakin hypocrite.

Originally posted by Silent Master
So what you're claiming is that the only way for Prof X to be able to effect Superman is if his TP was limitless. Do you have any proof to back this up?

No I'm asking what iyo are his limits? Like does he affect any being with a mind and no TP resistance feats?

Originally posted by Nibedicus
Aliens differ from each other moreso than humans do to mutants. Your "logic" is flawed and inconsistent. The fact that you cannot see the flaw makes me shake my head.

No. I replied with a question to ascertain relevance. That is not refusing anything at all. And if by "refused to answer what limits X has" you mean when you made a new thread, well, it was a separate thread that has nothing to do with the current debate, so it was not really a reply within this thread, was it?

It's cool how you pick like 1 or 2 sentences (irrelevant ones at that) in a reply and ignore everything else. And then point out how I "refused to answer 2 questions" when you are literally ignoring whole paragraphs.

Good job. 👆

If you're going to point things out (badly at that), at least try not to sound like a freakin hypocrite.

SW affecting humans and aliens shows a much wider range in the ability to affect things. If she can affect humans and aliens, which you agree are more different than humans to mutants, then the burden is met imo. Xavier has not affected things that are likely much different than humans to mutants hence the issue

The question was to gauge X's limitations in general. Basically I was looking for something like "X can affect everything under thing point and Supes falls in that category" or "X can affect anything that meets these requirements" or something that was can have a clear idea about. I asked about Bruce Almighty because it does have relevance in just how high X's powers reach. You and others are very vague on how high his powers should be reach cause on one hand you say he can affect Superman and basically any being with a mind so long as they have no TP resistance feats but you refused to acknowledge a cap. My question was to see if in fact there was a cap iyo by bringing up one of the most powerful beings in cinema.

Also asking a question in response to a question without directly giving an answer to said question would be considered refusing to answer. I didn't say you didn't respond, I said you did answer it. You didn't.

The whole point of this was to inquire why X was given the "benefit of the doubt" just how far it went. You don't want to answer that for some reason but you want me to accept it reaches high just enough to not question it. I don't want to do that. If you don't want to continue with this direction, and it doesn't seem like you do, then that's fine. You can stop replying and hopefully someone can help me figure this out here or in the other thread. I mean it was the reason I requested the mod ruling.

I don't reply to everything because as you've pointed out it is a circular argument. It'll just keep going on. I'm not arguing against your ideas here. I don't necessarily think you are wrong in thinking X can affect Superman in theory. I've asked what feats X has affecting aliens and you using other people's feats or trying to convince me that alien minds wouldn't be that different from humans/mutants minds(even tho you just said aliens would be in this post here) doesn't do it for me. So we can agree to disagree for all I care but I'd rather not go in circles about ever little thing. If not responding to every point bothers you I can make sure to do so in the future.

Originally posted by juggerman
No I'm asking what iyo are his limits? Like does he affect any being with a mind and no TP resistance feats?

That isn't even close to what you asked, see below for your actual question.

Originally posted by juggerman
So he has no limit iyo?

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Now, you have already admitted that people with weaker mental powers can effect Supsrman, so do you have any actual proof that Prof X would be unable to effect him?

Originally posted by Silent Master
That isn't even close to what you asked, see below for your actual question.

I was the same question asking in different ways.

So he has no limit iyo?

Then:

No I'm asking what iyo are his limits?

More or less the same question trying to determine what you feel X's limits are.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Now, you have already admitted that people with weaker mental powers can effect Supsrman, so do you have any actual proof that Prof X would be unable to effect him?

Can you answer my question about how where X's limits are first? I've answered questions you've asked. Please just tell me at what level you think X would stop being effective. Or if you think that as long as the target has a mind and no feat of resistance, X can do his stuff

You still haven't provided any evidence to back up your claim that Prof X would be unable to effect Superman.

So you won't answer as to when you think his limits lie?

Where is the proof needed to back up your claim?

I'll take that as a no. Thanks anyway

You're welcome for not indulging your attempt to detail the thread, let me know when you're ready to provide the proof needed to back up your claim.

Originally posted by Silent Master
You're welcome for not indulging your attempt to detail the thread, let me know when you're ready to provide the proof needed to back up your claim.

I tried not to derail this thread but you're not helping. What claim did I make?

Oh, so you weren't the person arguing that Prof X wouldn't be able to effect Superman with his TP?

I'm not arguing he can't

Glad that's settled.

It's been settled all along

I agree, Prof X should have no trouble effecting him as even you agree that people with weaker mental powers like Jedi and SW can.

Ah see now you're twisting but it's ok. If it makes you feel better I'm all for it 👆

If you feel my stance is wrong, feel free to post any proof that you believe I'm ignoring.

You first prove that X can control Superman's mind. You can't? Good. Glad we settled that then. 👆