Originally posted by relentless1Who beat Windu cleanly ? Dooku got raped by Anakin and he was nothing to Sidious. Sidious tried fleeing from Yoda. Yoda redirected his all out fl. So he barely has an edge but they are peers. Dooku is the weak link.
please, Dooku is a better swordsman than Windu and Sidious is a better Force user than Yoda
Dooku was baiting Anakin in ROTS, he handled both he and Obi Wan like children before he made that mistake, also slapped them both around in all their Clone Wars encounters as well, also at the same time, I've never seen Windu pull off a feat like that anywhere in the canon.
So saying that I don't really know where they stack up in regards to Force abilities although I will say that Dooku and Yoda seemed to be quite even when they fought in ATOC so he may well have Mace beat in Force abilities as well.
Also Yoda ran from Sidious at the end, he knew he couldn't keep up with Palpatines Force usage much longer as noted when he told Organa "failed I have" after telling Obi Wan "destroy the Sith we must" so its not as if he was going in there to spar with the guy; he lost an all out battle and he knew it so he chose to save his own life so he might capitalize on a chance to destroy the Sith in the future.
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Damn!! A challenge Quan didn't answer
Oh yes. It's here and it's GLORIOUS!:
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=596451&pagenumber=6
^ He backs out on Page 6 where the link goes. Page 3 & 4 I was negotiating the parameters with him which he wasn't backing down on, so I agreed to his rules and his parameters if we put Kenobi in Anakin's place.
Page 5 he agrees to swap Anakin with Kenobi.
Page 6 he Backs out.
And he's backed out from Battlezoning me ever since then. He even backed down from a Khan vs Ahsoka challenge 😂
Originally posted by relentless1You exaggerate. Dooku died. Windu bested Sheev.
Dooku was baiting Anakin in ROTS, he handled both he and Obi Wan like children before he made that mistake, also slapped them both around in all their Clone Wars encounters as well, also at the same time, I've never seen Windu pull off a feat like that anywhere in the canon.So saying that I don't really know where they stack up in regards to Force abilities although I will say that Dooku and Yoda seemed to be quite even when they fought in ATOC so he may well have Mace beat in Force abilities as well.
Yoda chased him off and without threatening his allies Yoda IMO would have beaten him. Do you disagree ?
Originally posted by relentless1Yoda is a failure that I agree with but Windu isn't. Dooku isn't on their level.
Also Yoda ran from Sidious at the end, he knew he couldn't keep up with Palpatines Force usage much longer as noted when he told Organa "failed I have" after telling Obi Wan "destroy the Sith we must" so its not as if he was going in there to spar with the guy; he lost an all out battle and he knew it so he chose to save his own life so he might capitalize on a chance to destroy the Sith in the future.
Originally posted by relentless1
Dooku was baiting Anakin in ROTS, he handled both he and Obi Wan like children before he made that mistake, also slapped them both around in all their Clone Wars encounters as well, also at the same time, I've never seen Windu pull off a feat like that anywhere in the canon.So saying that I don't really know where they stack up in regards to Force abilities although I will say that Dooku and Yoda seemed to be quite even when they fought in ATOC so he may well have Mace beat in Force abilities as well.
About even in force abilities? WTF. Yoda CASUALLY dealt with Dooku's force abilities in AOTC. He literally said "much to learn, you still have'. Clearly he didn't feel Dooku was on his level, cause well, he wasn't
To those that didn't see Mace's showings in the TCW animation:
Here he is practically disintegrating droinds with a single force push:
Two of those droids happen to be droidekas.
http://i.imgur.com/jKysXHR.png
http://i.imgur.com/mZ6zVoZ.png
http://i.imgur.com/d2XDUNb.png
And here's him force pushing THIS tank off a cliff:
http://i.imgur.com/tcKan0M.png
http://i.imgur.com/MrQzH1I.png
Take what you will from the above showings.
Originally posted by Nibedicus
To those that didn't see Mace's showings in the TCW animation:Here he is practically disintegrating droinds with a single force push:
Two of those droids happen to be droidekas.
http://i.imgur.com/jKysXHR.png
http://i.imgur.com/mZ6zVoZ.png
http://i.imgur.com/d2XDUNb.pngAnd here's him force pushing THIS tank off a cliff:
http://i.imgur.com/tcKan0M.png
http://i.imgur.com/MrQzH1I.pngTake what you will from the above showings.
Impressive(certainly above anything Obi-Wan and Anakin have ever displayed) but only slightly above Maul & Savage's TK feats in TCW.
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
About even in force abilities? WTF. Yoda CASUALLY dealt with Dooku's force abilities in AOTC. He literally said "much to learn, you still have'. Clearly he didn't feel Dooku was on his level, cause well, he wasn't
then Dooku casually says " its obvious that this contest cannot be decided by our knowledge of the Force, but by our skill with a lightsaber" implying that they were more or less stalemated
Originally posted by relentless1
then Dooku casually says " its obvious that this contest cannot be decided by our knowledge of the Force, but by our skill with a lightsaber" implying that they were more or less stalemated
Relentless Yoda is superior to Dooku in the force. Dooku did all the attacking and couldn't penetrate his defenses in fact appearing stunned when Yoda sent his lightning back at him. In fact the line you use is Dooku being arrogant. While Yoda wouldn't steamroll him outright he would beat him 10/10
Originally posted by relentless1No, that just means they needed sabers for a victor to be decided. Yoda was above him in force power.
then Dooku casually says " its obvious that this contest cannot be decided by our knowledge of the Force, but by our skill with a lightsaber" implying that they were more or less stalemated
Originally posted by Darth Thor
Impressive(certainly above anything Obi-Wan and Anakin have ever displayed) but only slightly above Maul & Savage's TK feats in TCW.
I'm hard pressed to find anything Yoda ever did at the level of the tank. If we base it on real world dimensions, the tank itself is larger than an M1 Abrams that weighs in at 60 tons.
And droidekas have always caused jedi problems. Never seen anyone simply smash them with a single push.
Originally posted by Nibedicus
I'm hard pressed to find anything Yoda ever did at the level of the tank. If we base it on real world dimensions, the tank itself is larger than an M1 Abrams that weighs in at 60 tons.And droidekas have always caused jedi problems. Never seen anyone simply smash them with a single push.
Yoda lifted the X wing out of the swamp when he was basically a month away from dying, thats like your grandpa bench pressing a chevy while laid up in a hospice doing chemo treatments
he was also able to stop a senate pod in a downwards trajectory at high speed and send it back up to Sidious also at a fast speed
hell, the ability to stop and absorb force lightning with his bare hands alone puts him above every one of the Jedi as far as Force usage is concerned
Originally posted by relentless1
Yoda lifted the X wing out of the swamp when he was basically a month away from dying, thats like your grandpa bench pressing a chevy while laid up in a hospice doing chemo treatments
Ppl did the math on the Xwing. Their math says it weighs in at about 5 tons.
Over 60 > about 5. Tho lifting is def better than pushing. But If I can lift about 80 lbs over my head doesn't mean I can push a metal object weighing in at around 1000 lbs without wheels or a lever.
His condition is irrelevant here. If his best force "feat" is at the moment nearing his death, then we can't assert that being near his death weakened his force abilities. Simple logic here.
