political correctness/feminism and language

Originally posted by Omega Vision
My two cents: desiring that people consider and reflect on how their language and behavior might affect other people who are different from them and perhaps change their language and behavior to be less offensive isn't unreasonable, nor is it being a crybaby. In fact, those who come closer to being crybabies are the ones who complain about being "oppressed" by "PCness"

I look at your well-thought out posts, and then I look at the sort of half-baked posts TI marks out as a "good post." The gap is remarkable.

the only difference between TI and you... other than maybe a college education... is the ideological lense through which you read my posts

fact is i know how to trigger both of you despite your ideological differences

because it's mostly all a bunch of bullshit at the end of the day

but neither one of you can see this cause you're both stuck in the matrix

I don't even know if Omega went to College. He seems to smart but he lacks street smarts and the ability to see Obama is disingenuous for America, and wants to "Fundamentally Change America." As Obama said he was going too.

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
I don't even know if Omega went to College. He seems to smart but he lacks street smarts and the ability to see Obama is disingenuous for America, and wants to "Fundamentally Change America." As Obama said he was going too.

This does not apply to Omega, but plenty of College educated people are complete idiots.

Originally posted by red g jacks
who can spot the paradox

most of my posts are half baked tbh

the only difference between TI and you... other than maybe a college education... is the ideological lense through which you read my posts

fact is i know how to trigger both of you despite your ideological differences

because it's mostly all a bunch of bullshit at the end of the day

but neither one of you can see this cause you're both stuck in the matrix

I have grown fond of you honestly, we started off enemies and I call you a friend now.

Originally posted by Henry_Pym
Except emotional maturity.

Identity politics caused this.

"If you dislike a person you dislike all people who share that persons likeness." Except white, f*ck those cis gendered asshats.

Your own closing statement there is a pretty silly caricature, inspired by....well defensiveness to criticism (i.e. emotional immaturity). No one has actually said any of that. Critiquing a system that benefits a particular group is not a personal attack on that group. Maybe you're joking, and I did laugh at your comment, but I felt it needed to be formally engaged at least once here.

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial

Maybe everyone should man the hell up and grab their respective sacks, but then again masculinity is under attack and it's all about "being in touch with your feminine side."

There was a day when men were men, and women were women.

My two cents: desiring that people consider and reflect on how their language and behavior might affect other people who are different from them and perhaps change their language and behavior to be less offensive isn't unreasonable, nor is it being a crybaby.

Did anyone see the recent "Stunning and Brave" South Park episode? Believe it or not, it was actually relevant to this thread. Political correctness was the main theme.

And pretty funny to boot. PC Principle was such a douchelord.

Originally posted by StyleTime
I disagree, at least insomuch as you're ignoring that it applies to the other side too. I usually see as much(often more) whining in response to these "pc arguments" rather than in the "pc arguments themselves."

this is the pandora's box we've opened by indulging the PC culture. you can say that criticizing this social/cultural movement is just another form of whining... fair enough

on the flip side... apparently we are all supposed to be in tune with one anothers' preferences and what we find offensive/distasteful

well, i think certain forms of hypersensitivity are particularly distasteful

be tolerant, my friends. i'm just letting you know that some of this stuff is offensive to me.

This is another example. It's strictly an emotional response to something that isn't happening. Masculinity isn't under attack. You can still play sports, grow your beard out, chug beer and whatever. The idea is that people should be able to express their gender identity, as long as it doesn't harm others, without being stigmatized by society. If you're a masculine guy, cool. If you're not, that's also cool.

i know it sounds a bit cruel and i suppose it is

but there is also a relatively sound biological foundation to this sort of behavior

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Originally posted by Omega Vision
My two cents: desiring that people consider and reflect on how their language and behavior might affect other people who are different from them and perhaps change their language and behavior to be less offensive isn't unreasonable, nor is it being a crybaby. In fact, those who come closer to being crybabies are the ones who complain about being "oppressed" by "PCness"

In theory, I agree. People should be tolerant, and actually try not to be a dick to other people.

The problem, imo, is that people take advantage of that. They take offense to EVERYTHING, making any effort pointless in the first place.

Originally posted by red g jacks
once again... try to spot the paradox.

this is the pandora's box we've opened by indulging the PC culture. you can say that criticizing this social/cultural movement is just another form of whining... fair enough

on the flip side... apparently we are all supposed to be in tune with one anothers' preferences and what we find offensive/distasteful

well, i think certain forms of hypersensitivity are particularly distasteful

be tolerant, my friends. i'm just letting you know that some of this stuff is offensive to me.

another tricky situation, since a part of being masculine is basically being able to subjugate men who are lower on teh masculinity totem pole than you

i know it sounds a bit cruel and i suppose it is

but there is also a relatively sound biological foundation to this sort of behavior

Defining masculinity is a huge enough topic to be it's own thread. I won't go deep(giggity) here, as we'd get derailed, but I reject the notion that masculinity has to mean "being an ass."

Originally posted by StyleTime
I disagree. There isn't a paradox, so much as you're misunderstanding the argument. It's not simply a matter of "I'm offended, stop." The argument is more "these words exist on continuums that perpetuate harm against these groups." If you disagree with that, then fair enough. But it's important we're on the same page here.

not to say that some terms don't harm some groups

but there is also an aspect of PC culture that involves avoiding saying anything that offends a particular group

so i think you are trying to redefine the rules as is convenient for you in this particular argument

i don't think you're being really straightforward about how political correctness and the policing of language actually works

Defining masculinity is a huge enough topic to be it's own thread. I won't go deep(giggity) here, as we'd get derailed, but I reject the notion that masculinity has to mean "being an ass."

Originally posted by Omega Vision
Nope. I was pointing out that your standard for "great post" is lower than mine. My idea of a great post contains a well-thought-out argument.

Why you going full on Astner on TI?

😂

Much love Bent

Originally posted by red g jacks
i disagree that it's just about harm being done to groups (beyond them being offended)

not to say that some terms don't harm some groups

but there is also an aspect of PC culture that involves avoiding saying anything that offends a particular group

so i think you are trying to redefine the rules as is convenient for you in this particular argument

i don't think you're being really straightforward about how political correctness and the policing of language actually works

i reject your meaningless rejection of what seems to me a reasonable comment on the nature of masculinity without giving any effort at all to explain your disagreement

That said, fine. I'll humor your. Language shouldn't be "policed" in a way that prevents everyone from saying anything offensive.

If that was your whole point, then this thread is silly. No one will disagree with you, as that statement is obvious. Seems like you were less interested in a discussion, and just wanted to vent?

Originally posted by red g jacks
i reject your meaningless rejection of what seems to me a reasonable comment on the nature of masculinity without giving any effort at all to explain your disagreement

Originally posted by -Pr-
In theory, I agree. People should be tolerant, and actually try not to be a dick to other people.

The problem, imo, is that people take advantage of that. They take offense to EVERYTHING, making any effort pointless in the first place.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
...My idea of a great post contains a well-thought-out argument.

Originally posted by -Pr-
In theory, I agree. People should be tolerant, and actually try not to be a dick to other people.

The problem, imo, is that people take advantage of that. They take offense to EVERYTHING, making any effort pointless in the first place.

Well said 👆

Originally posted by red g jacks
then i suppose maybe i am just not fit to live in this PC society... because i like using vulgar language and it sort of irritates me that my roster of vulgar insults is growing smaller by the day, all in the name of some vague utopian agenda to bring about equality through policing language. doesn't that sound a bit... dunno... stalinist or orwellian to you?

what do you guys think

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Vulgar language in general offends quite a few people. So it sounds like your asking for permission to use vulgar language, or find out what vulgar language isn't actually vulgar. In the second case, say things like "doo doo head" and "smelly" when insulting something or someone.

Anytime you say something vulgar or insulting your likely to offend at least a single person. So if you LIKE using vulgar language, that comes with the territory mate. Just gotta suck it up and deal with someone thinking you might be a mysoginist or a jerk or racist or something.

Anytime you say something vulgar or insulting your likely to offend at least a single person. So if you LIKE using vulgar language, that comes with the territory mate. Just gotta suck it up and deal with someone thinking you might be a mysoginist or a jerk or racist or something.

Originally posted by red g jacks

the only difference between TI and you... other than maybe a college education... is the ideological lense through which you read my posts

fact is i know how to trigger both of you despite your ideological differences

because it's mostly all a bunch of bullshit at the end of the day

but neither one of you can see this cause you're both stuck in the matrix

Originally posted by -Pr-
In theory, I agree. People should be tolerant, and actually try not to be a dick to other people.

The problem, imo, is that people take advantage of that. They take offense to EVERYTHING, making any effort pointless in the first place.

Whenever I hear someone complain about political correctness, they're generally an ******* who wishes they could get away with saying obnoxious/off-color things and don't like being reminded that they're an *******.