Whenever I hear someone complain about political correctness, they're generally an ******* who wishes they could get away with saying obnoxious/off-color things and don't like being reminded that they're an *******.
Originally posted by Omega Vision
Those people are an extreme minority, and while I know a few people who sort of fit this description, they're also capable of interacting normally with society even if they get irked by little things like people's pronoun choices.Whenever I hear someone complain about political correctness, they're generally an ******* who wishes they could get away with saying obnoxious/off-color things and don't like being reminded that they're an *******.
Honestly, I disagree.
I can't speak for how it is in America though, so I'm not gonna try to invalidate where you're coming from.
Funnily enough I'm currently watching the latest South Park, which deals with this topic.
Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
I am going to have to do more research on Alinsky, this is a new subject for me, I have heard of her a lot, I am guessing she is a dirty secret among the liberal party, much like Margaret Sanger I am guessing?
Alinsky is a "he".
Saul Alinsky is the name you want to Google.
At a certain point, when enough people call you racist, maybe you have to do some self-reflecting and question if it's more than just a tactic in debates.
There are of course people who use labels like "racist," "sexist," and "homophobic" to stifle debate, but that doesn't mean that the labels are meaningless, nor does it mean you aren't necessarily racist, sexist, or homophobic.
Originally posted by psmith81992
That's like me saying whenever I hear someone complain about getting offended, they need to stop being so sensitive. Your post is a rationalization as well as a blanket statement. "People that complain about PC are generally assholes". Complaining PC is a very legitimate thing.
But here's the thing: I don't really like thinking in terms of "politically correct." I'd rather frame it as "being respectful to other people." One area I struggle with is with the various non-CIS gender identities. It's a minefield of (to me) new and strange terms and concepts, but I do my best not to make waves when I'm around people from those groups.
South Park's most recent episode criticized CIS, straight white males who bully other people in the name of social justice. Those people do exist, but they're a strawman. My advice to everyone is to ignore them and just be concerned with the actual minorities/subgroups they claim to champion. An open mind goes a long way. Don't ever adopt an "us vs them" mindset, and give some effort to understanding the struggles of other people.
Originally posted by Omega Vision
At a certain point, when enough people call you racist, maybe you have to do some self-reflecting and question if it's more than just a tactic in debates.There are of course people who use labels like "racist," "sexist," and "homophobic" to stifle debate, but that doesn't mean that the labels are meaningless, nor does it mean you aren't necessarily racist, sexist, or homophobic.
Example. I'm anti religion for various reasons. Technically, that makes me a bigot and a racist.
It doesn't mean I'm wrong or what I believe is incorrect and not based on factual reality. But, by definition, because I recognize facts, I'm a bigot and racist.
The definition has changed and so has the connotation.
Originally posted by long pig
Racist used to mean you were wrong or bad. It doesnt anymore.Example. I'm anti religion for various reasons. Technically, that makes me a bigot and a racist.
It doesn't mean I'm wrong or what I believe is incorrect and not based on factual reality. But, by definition, because I recognize facts, I'm a bigot and racist.The definition has changed and so has the connotation.
I don't like Islam or many Islamic practices, but I don't call Muslims members of a "death cult."
If anything you should feel compassion for Muslims and do your best to try to convince them to reconsider the worst practices of their faith, and you won't do that by acting like a jerk toward them or calling them names.
Originally posted by long pig
Racist used to mean you were wrong or bad. It doesnt anymore.Example. I'm anti religion for various reasons. Technically, that makes me a bigot and a racist.
It doesn't mean I'm wrong or what I believe is incorrect and not based on factual reality. But, by definition, because I recognize facts, I'm a bigot and racist.The definition has changed and so has the connotation.
Originally posted by Omega Vision
There's only been a few times where I've felt overwhelmed by someone's level of PCness, and it's just a matter of not talking to that person anymore or giving them time to cool down. If we're talking about which end of the spectrum of extremes to err toward, PCness is more desirable than a lack of any concern for how other people and other groups might feel about someone's speech/behavior.But here's the thing: I don't really like thinking in terms of "politically correct." I'd rather frame it as "being respectful to other people." One area I struggle with is with the various non-CIS gender identities. It's a minefield of (to me) new and strange terms and concepts, but I do my best not to make waves when I'm around people from those groups.
South Park's most recent episode criticized CIS, straight white males who bully other people in the name of social justice. Those people do exist, but they're a strawman. My advice to everyone is to ignore them and just be concerned with the actual minorities/subgroups they claim to champion. An open mind goes a long way. Don't ever adopt an "us vs them" mindset, and give some effort to understanding the struggles of other people.
Fair point.
Originally posted by StyleTimemy whole point was basically that posting on websites like this makes me feel out of touch with what is considered acceptable
I haven't seen anyone call for a ban on everything anyone ever called offensive, so I don't think I'm redefining an argument. I was bringing up the only legitimate discussion to be had on it.That said, fine. I'll humor your. Language shouldn't be "policed" in a way that prevents everyone from saying anything offensive.
If that was your whole point, then this thread is silly. No one will disagree with you, as that statement is obvious. Seems like you were less interested in a discussion, and just wanted to vent?
or makes me think a lot of people online are just out of touch with what your average working class people find acceptable
Originally posted by Quincythat's fair enough... they can feel free to judge me
Vulgar language in general offends quite a few people. So it sounds like your asking for permission to use vulgar language, or find out what vulgar language isn't actually vulgar. In the second case, say things like "doo doo head" and "smelly" when insulting something or someone.Anytime you say something vulgar or insulting your likely to offend at least a single person. So if you LIKE using vulgar language, that comes with the territory mate. Just gotta suck it up and deal with someone thinking you might be a mysoginist or a jerk or racist or something.
just understand that sword cuts both ways
i.e. it's well within your rights to be easily offended... but i might think less of you for it
Originally posted by Surturi didn't call her a pussy, which isn't censored by this site, i called her a b*tch
I don't think calling Hilary the P word is inherently sexist, assuming you are using it in a way to suggest cowardice. Some might find the word vulgar, but it's not sexist. Unless it was established you go out of your way to call men you think are cowardly words other then the P word.
but using pussy to describe cowardice doesn't strike you as sexist?
i think it is.. but i don't think it necessarily means women are inherently less than men... but they are generally weaker and less masculine
as such, the word pussy when used to describe a man seeks to emasculate him.. which is a sexist attack but not necessarily hateful towards women... any more than calling a woman butch is hateful towards men
Originally posted by Omega Visionpersonally i don't like being called cisgender. i feel like this term has basically been forced on us just to make trans people feel better about the fact that there's a term to describe them, so they want one to describe everyone who's not trans. i have an idea... about about non-transgender?
There's only been a few times where I've felt overwhelmed by someone's level of PCness, and it's just a matter of not talking to that person anymore or giving them time to cool down. If we're talking about which end of the spectrum of extremes to err toward, PCness is more desirable than a lack of any concern for how other people and other groups might feel about someone's speech/behavior.But here's the thing: I don't really like thinking in terms of "politically correct." I'd rather frame it as "being respectful to other people." One area I struggle with is with the various non-CIS gender identities. It's a minefield of (to me) new and strange terms and concepts, but I do my best not to make waves when I'm around people from those groups.
South Park's most recent episode criticized CIS, straight white males who bully other people in the name of social justice. Those people do exist, but they're a strawman. My advice to everyone is to ignore them and just be concerned with the actual minorities/subgroups they claim to champion. An open mind goes a long way. Don't ever adopt an "us vs them" mindset, and give some effort to understanding the struggles of other people.
how come they get to label themselves whatever they like and pick all their pronouns and shit but i'm forced to be called cis when i don't even like that term?
the **** is cis anyway? cis sounds like something you catch on vacation and need to get a shot to get rid of it. i say get rid of cis... let cis people vote on our own term if we need a term for it
and don't give me that "it's latin" excuse either. i don't speak latin and to be frank i want nothing to do with the romans or their perverse language and customs
Originally posted by red g jacks
personally i don't like being called cisgender. i feel like this term has basically been forced on us just to make trans people feel better about the fact that there's a term to describe them, so they want one to describe everyone who's not trans. i have an idea... about about non-transgender?how come they get to label themselves whatever they like and pick all their pronouns and shit but i'm forced to be called cis when i don't even like that term?
the **** is cis anyway? cis sounds like something you catch on vacation and need to get a shot to get rid of it. i say get rid of cis... let cis people vote on our own term if we need a term for it
and don't give me that "it's latin" excuse either. i don't speak latin and to be frank i want nothing to do with the romans or their perverse language and customs
Do you also think heterosexual should be "non-homosexual?"
i just don't like the way cis sounds tbh
i know there's no turning back at this point.. it is what it is
but i don't like the word. and tbh i really don't see why it's necessary to have a word to describe people who aren't trans.
to me that's like having a word to describe people who aren't blind... it's pointless
i don't really like the term caucasian either tbh... once again just don't like the sound of it. plus it technically refers to more than just white people does it not... yet it's used to describe white people alone in the PC universe
what's wrong with "white"?
as for non-homosexual... that would include bisexuals as well.. where as hetero is more specific.