political correctness/feminism and language

Originally posted by red g jacks
i just don't like the way cis sounds tbh

i know there's no turning back at this point.. it is what it is

but i don't like the word. and tbh i really don't see why it's necessary to have a word to describe people who aren't trans.

to me that's like having a word to describe people who aren't blind... it's pointless

i don't really like the term caucasian either tbh... once again just don't like the sound of it. plus it technically refers to more than just white people does it not... yet it's used to describe white people alone in the PC universe

what's wrong with "white"?

as for non-homosexual... that would include bisexuals as well.. where as hetero is more specific.

If you don't have a word to describe non-Trans people it only emphasizes an idea that trans people are unnatural. If we call non-Trans people "Cisgender" then there's equality in that both are categorized rather than simply accepting non-trans people as "normal"

Originally posted by Omega Vision
One PC element I don't at all subscribe to are words like "African American" and "Asian American." Just say black and Asian. We don't use "Caucasian American" or "European American" after all.

I agree. Can we please continue using homo if it involves online gaming?

Originally posted by Omega Vision
It's not pointless. Non-blind people are called "sighted."

If you don't have a word to describe non-Trans people it only emphasizes an idea that trans people are unnatural. If we call non-Trans people "Cisgender" then there's equality in that both are categorized rather than simply accepting non-trans people as "normal"

and like i said yea the word cis only exists to make trans people feel normal

it's not actually necessary as a descriptive term... because people who aren't trans typically don't go on about not being trans... where as trans people often center their identity around their trans status

and call me insensitive.. but isn't "normal" basically accurate? or are we to pretend like "norms" don't exist so as to protect people's feelings? the whole thing smacks of delusion to me

Normal is not the same as most common. It has a value judgment, as in, this fits to the norm. People with black hair aren't called normal opposed to those that have other hair colors, the same goes for eye color, race, gender, sexual orientation, nationality, political affiliation, etc.

So, no, Trans people are also normal, they just aren't a majority.

Originally posted by Bardock42
So, no, Trans people are also normal, they just aren't a majority. [/B]

I disagree with this statement.

Originally posted by red g jacks
lol... that's the first i've ever heard that term

and like i said yea the word cis only exists to make trans people feel normal

it's not actually necessary as a descriptive term... because people who aren't trans typically don't go on about not being trans... where as trans people often center their identity around their trans status

and call me insensitive.. but isn't "normal" basically accurate? or are we to pretend like "norms" don't exist so as to protect people's feelings? the whole thing smacks of delusion to me

Yes, I think "insensitive" does describe your stance. I'd recommend actually getting to know a transgendered person. It might broaden your understanding of the subject.

Im going to cut my arms and legs off, crawl around the floor eating leaves and call myself a caterpillar.
ACCOMMODATE ME!!!

Originally posted by long pig
Im going to cut my arms and legs off, crawl around the floor eating leaves and call myself a caterpillar.
ACCOMMODATE ME!!!

Originally posted by Omega Vision
A swing and a miss. Same advice I gave to red I'm giving to you. Instead of just being prejudiced, actually get to know a transgendered person and try to understand what their life is like and why they've undergone transition.

Sincerely yours,

Caterpillar.

P.s Pay for my surgery and meds. Kthnxbi.

Originally posted by long pig
How can i understand???...I'm a ****ing caterpillar!

Sincerely yours,

Caterpillar.

P.s Pay for my surgery and meds. Kthnxbi.

Why do people shit their pants over being called cisgendered?

Every adjective needs its opposite.

"Normal", as an adjective, means "usual or ordinary" in this context. Now, that technically describes non-transsexuals compared to transsexuals (I don't find it offensive to refer to transgendered people as being less normal personally), but it doesn't actually describe how they differ from transsexuals, like the term "cisgender" (your sexual identity agrees with your assigned sex) does.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
So you're just going to be stubborn and stonewall me. Okay, cool.

I am NOT Cisgendered

Originally posted by Adam_PoE
I am NOT Cisgendered

Idk, I feel like the usual word that's used, i.e. "Normal", actually does what the author complains about, cis not so much.

As an aside, how do you view he term "cis" in relation to the "straight" to refer to heterosexual people.

Originally posted by Adam_PoE
I am NOT Cisgendered

Originally posted by Adam_PoE
I am NOT Cisgendered

Originally posted by long pig
Lol.
Gender is not a social construct.

The word you're confusing gender with is "sex".

And even "sex" is not a nice, tidy binary as people would like it to be.

Originally posted by red g jacks
my whole point was basically that posting on websites like this makes me feel out of touch with what is considered acceptable

or makes me think a lot of people online are just out of touch with what your average working class people find acceptable

Honestly, whenever discussions like this/socialism/any of the topics we talk about here come up in real life, most people just kinda nod and smile. You might get a comment or two before they go back to their drink.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
One PC element I don't at all subscribe to are words like "African American" and "Asian American." Just say black and Asian. We don't use "Caucasian American" or "European American" after all.

👆 Americans should just be called "American", regardless of race. We've already got un-offensive descriptors if we need to identify further anyway. Black/White/Asian/etc.

Teddy Roosevelt actually gave a speech on the divisiveness of the "hyphenated American" practice. Of course, he was only talking about white American's, as those were much more racist times, but I think his point could still stand.

"a hyphenated American is not an American at all … The one absolutely certain way of bringing this nation to ruin, of preventing all possibility of its continuing to be a nation at all, would be to permit it to become a tangle of squabbling nationalities, an intricate knot of German-Americans, Irish-Americans, English-Americans, French-Americans, Scandinavian-Americans or Italian-Americans, each preserving its separate nationality, each at heart feeling more sympathy with Europeans of that nationality, than with the other citizens of the American Republic … There is no such thing as a hyphenated American who is a good American. The only man who is a good American is the man who is an American and nothing else."

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Originally posted by NemeBro
gen·der
ˈjendər/Submit
noun
1.
the state of being male or female (typically used with reference to social and cultural differences rather than biological ones).

The word you're confusing gender with is "sex".

15 yrs ago, gender and sex were by definition one and the same. Gender roles are social construct.

Gender is not.