Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
Did he embody all that is good with the Human Race?If he came back to life, I imagine he would shame Sharpton and Jackson.
Would he shame the parties for what they have become, and shame the parties for using race to divide the nation?
What are your views on Sharpton and Jackson? Also how can two people divide an entire nation? You were either divided beforehand or you weren't.
Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
Sharpton is a clown, Jackson is an assbag.
That's not really an answer. Why do you feel that they are those things, and how can these two be responsible to dividing an entire nation? Anyone leaning heavily to one side or the other had to have already been divided within themselves with little to no help from another person's opinion on things.
Originally posted by long pig
Not a fan.
Why?
Originally posted by Stoic
That's not really an answer. Why do you feel that they are those things, and how can these two be responsible to diving an entire nation? Anyone leaning heavily to one side or the other had to have already been divided within themselves with little to no help from another person's opinion on things.Why?
For one, they a pawns and followers, King was a leader. King set the tone and the movement, Jackson and Al just try and appease the mob.
King was a King.
Re: Martin Luther King Jr.
Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
If he came back to life
Sharpton, and Jackson are civil rights activists though. Do you have to show your ass to get things done from time to time? When is it okay to freak the hell out when you see inequality at work? Let's not kid ourselves, no one is devoid of negative intentions 100% of time, but to paint them in a purely evil light is wrong. Should we focus on any one particular thing about them? How about statistics that show that minorities are often paid far less for doing the same job? If all lives matter, why was it that 50%-60% of the people being stopped and frisked black? Would so many people commit so many crimes if they were paid enough to even wipe their asses after working a full time job? How many messed up things have to happen before someone actually jumps the gun and flies off of the handle? Or, perhaps you have a particular subject, or reason for thinking that they are truly messed up individuals with the sole purpose of dividing the nation? I don't know what your views are, which is why I asked.
The thing is a true civil rights activist wouldn't of behaved in the manner Sharpton has. You can talk about stats, but then we have to bring crime stats into this. You act like giving them higher paying jobs would solve things, but I don't think that is the issue here.
The issue is blacks commit more crimes against blacks then anyone else. Latino's commit more crimes against Latino's then anyone else. Yet in some situations if you aren't a certain race you can't talk about these issues without someone thinking you have some sort of racist agenda. This is why I think the solution needs to come from within the communities.
When a black person stands up and talks about the problems in the black community..it holds more weight. The good news is more and more people from the community are beginning to speak up. We had that video from that woman a few weeks ago that went viral. I also heard another guy on the radio who was a black pastor talking about the problems from within the community. This man was wondering out loud why black lives don't matter when taken by blacks.
Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
I actually see what King did as honorable. Sharpton is a sell out, a tax fraud and not even a pastor, nor does he act like one. But anyways I don't want to talk about him. I want to talk about King.
It's impossible to tell, as we live in a much different climate than it was during his time. That was a time when blacks had to sit in the back of the bus, and give up their seats so that a white person could sit down. Blacks could not eat in the same restaurants, go to the same social events, or even drink from the same water fountains. Interracial relationships were out of the question, and same sex couples were treated like abominations. It's an impossible question to answer.
Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
I actually see what King did as honorable. Sharpton is a sell out, a tax fraud and not even a pastor, nor does he act like one. But anyways I don't want to talk about him. I want to talk about King.
I don't like adulterers, but King was great when it came to civil rights. I respect him more then someone like Malcolm X(who actually had meetings with the KKK).
Originally posted by Stoic
That's not really an answer. Why do you feel that they are those things, and how can these two be responsible to dividing an entire nation? Anyone leaning heavily to one side or the other had to have already been divided within themselves with little to no help from another person's opinion on things.Why?
Basically, they are pimps.
Originally posted by Surtur
The thing is a true civil rights activist wouldn't of behaved in the manner Sharpton has. You can talk about stats, but then we have to bring crime stats into this. You act like giving them higher paying jobs would solve things, but I don't think that is the issue here.The issue is blacks commit more crimes against blacks then anyone else. Latino's commit more crimes against Latino's then anyone else. Yet in some situations if you aren't a certain race you can't talk about these issues without someone thinking you have some sort of racist agenda. This is why I think the solution needs to come from within the communities.
When a black person stands up and talks about the problems in the black community..it holds more weight. The good news is more and more people from the community are beginning to speak up. We had that video from that woman a few weeks ago that went viral. I also heard another guy on the radio who was a black pastor talking about the problems from within the community. This man was wondering out loud why black lives don't matter when taken by blacks.
Then try to remember that we are all from the same race, and the stigma that you might feel may disappear. Who are you kidding man? Money is often behind the problems that cause people to struggle. Are you telling me that the disgruntled homeless person would still be as angry as they are if they were making enough to take care of the things that they need? I'm talking about basic effing needs here, and not luxuries. I spoke to an intelligent man once, and he told me that he worked full time, and even over time, and after paying his bills, he could not eat. he told me that he had to occasionally steal toilet paper to wipe his ass from time to time. What then is he supposed to do in order to get by? Whites go through the same struggles when impoverished and trying to put their best foot forward. Are you saying that the statistics are incorrect? Women are also paid less.
I used to work for a Jewish man, and he asked me a question. He asked what I thought was the poorest people living legally in America was? I couldn't answer him, because I didn't know the answer. So he says, there is nothing poorer than a black women with children on welfare.
What you fail to see, is that minorities weren't in control of America for an instant in the past. Are they supposed to be in positions that were handed down from those that were. I'm not talking about all of the time, but I'm talking about a lot of the time. You have to realize something, There was a time that minorities had to go to the fence in order to get a decent paying job, while a white person did not have to go through such harsh scrutiny. This remains true to this day in many cases.
I will note that during his lifetime, plenty of people criticized him for 'making' the divide between white and black larger and 'creating' problems that didn't exist.
It's the same type of thing as always, it's quite easy to praise a civil rights leader who fought for things we no longer consider at issue, but also quite common to do so at the same time one is speaking ill of current civil rights matters.
Originally posted by Q99
I will note that during his lifetime, plenty of people criticized him for 'making' the divide between white and black larger and 'creating' problems that didn't exist.It's the same type of thing as always, it's quite easy to praise a civil rights leader who fought for things we no longer consider at issue, but also quite common to do so at the same time one is speaking ill of current civil rights matters.
No one will ever look back on Sharp and say he was an honorable man.
Re: Martin Luther King Jr.
Originally posted by Time-Immemorialnah i heard he was actually kind of a dick
Did he embody all that is good with the Human Race?If he came back to life, I imagine he would shame Sharpton and Jackson.
Would he shame the parties for what they have become, and shame the parties for using race to divide the nation?
he cheated on his wife notoriously in dsegenerate white woman orgies and reports have indicated that when he was driving with his family he would roll up all the windows and then pass gas, effectively hotboxing his wife and children.