Originally posted by Bardock42But where are the stats to support this?
I only made the claim regarding Europe, however if we do go that far back (to 1970) you are correct that Northern Ireland, Italy and Spain having had severe problems before the the new millennium are ahead. Nowadays however no European country is ahead of the US.
Originally posted by Bardock42
No, that's not true. You can have freedom at a much lower cost.
I agree, but there are just too many gun fanatics, and the 2nd Amendment is so loosely worded. Hey we could not even protect JFK and MLK and RFK, and they were hounded for years. Not sure what can be done to protect the little people when we can not protect that big ones. Now of course, times have changed and security measures much greater. Anyway, not too surprised this happens, it seems to be mostly US centric based.
Originally posted by psmith81992
But where are the stats to support this?
Originally posted by Star428
Yeah, lol. I don't think anybody actually "worships guns". Liberals are overstating things, like usual. Tbh, I don't really even like guns all that much but they are a necessary evil regardless of what liberals or people living in other countries think. For one, they protect all of our other rights which we couldn't defend without them. Then, of course, self-defense from criminals and terrorists is pretty damn important too. The fact that you can also use them to hunt if you have to is a nice bonus.
Except some people do act like they worship them. Like the group of guys who showed up at a fast food place all wielding rifles(one seems to have two rifles) just as some kind of demonstration about open carry laws.
http://abcnews.go.com/US/gun-advocates-spook-fast-food-workers-hiding-freezer/story?id=23604924
Not only is it crazy, but stupid. What if one of the employee's also legally owned a firearm and had it with him? Then he see's a bunch of men walk into the place with guns and he shoots them. Now they are dead over doing some stupid shit and because they couldn't control their hard on for guns.
In the South, guns are sacred, but that does not equate to worship. Gun ownership is viewed more as tradition here. We use them for hunting. For generations, we have taught our children how to hunt and being responsible for the care of the weapon used in hunts. We don't teach children to commit atrocities with these weapons.
I remember growing up, I didn't have to worry about some nut job shooting up my school. It was unheard of. Today's generation has lost its moral compass. That is the only way I can explain it. This country has had firearms since it's inception, yet the level of senseless violence only seems to be out of control since the last 15 years.
Copycat syndrome or something else going on? Very odd, all these people killed don't seem to have a cause to be treated that way by the shooter. Maybe we need some sort of news blackout for a while to let the dust settle. Media attention makes me wonder feeds this so others may try the same thing? Dunno.
Originally posted by Tattoos N Scars
In the South, guns are sacred, but that does not equate to worship. Gun ownership is viewed more as tradition here. We use them for hunting. For generations, we have taught our children how to hunt and being responsible for the care of the weapon used in hunts. We don't teach children to commit atrocities with these weapons.I remember growing up, I didn't have to worry about some nut job shooting up my school. It was unheard of. Today's generation has lost its moral compass. That is the only way I can explain it. This country has had firearms since it's inception, yet the level of senseless violence only seems to be out of control since the last 15 years.
That's what inevitably happens when lots of people reject God, yeah. Too many atheists in the country today.
The world, on the whole, is a safer place than out was decades ago. More coverage of violence does not equate to more violence. Complaints about losing moral compasses are emotional arguments, not empirical ones. Which of course in no way excuses killings like these.
I usually err on the side of personal freedom, and that's my default thought on gun control. But then you have data points like what Australia did that seem to support much more gun control. I won't pretend that there aren't good arguments on either side, but I'd be curious about what data we have that doesn't serve some agenda or other, which is hard to find.
Also, depending on the source, atheists make up about 1-4% of the total US population (the umbrella term "nones" includes MUCH more than atheism). Gun supporters occasionally make some cogent arguments, but will have to look elsewhere for their cultural scapegoat here.
Originally posted by Digi👆
[B]The world, on the whole, is a safer place than out was decades ago. More coverage of violence does not equate to more violence. Complaints about losing moral compasses are emotional arguments, not empirical ones. Which of course in no way excuses killings like these.I usually err on the side of personal freedom, and that's my default thought on gun control. But then you have data points like what Australia did that seem to support much more gun control. I won't pretend that there aren't good arguments on either side, but I'd be curious about what data we have that doesn't serve some agenda or other, which is hard to find.
LOL. Sure thing, Digi. Whatever helps ya sleep at night. Keep denying reality all u like. You already deny reality by refusing to understand that there's no possible way that everything in the universe could exist without intelligent design so you might as well be consistent. "World safer as a whole", my ass. One of these days hopefully u wake up to what's going on in the world. Though I wouldn't bet on it.