Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Actually narration catalogued their speed in one of the panels (in the nanoseconds). It kind of gives you the idea that their encounter was happening at super speed.
All without the multiple punches and speed lines no less. BM is also
cataloged as a being capable of near light speed, but his upper limits
have yet to be tested. I recall that Quasar had faster flight speed than
Hyperion as well, so draw your own conclusions.
Originally posted by carver9
Hulk has fought everyone in M.U (minus abstracts of course) and kept up fine with them. If fighting someone is all it takes to prove that someone is a high speed pacer then Hulk beats everyone in this field. Hulk has fought Sentry and Hyperion as well. Don't understand what this have to do with the discussion at hand.He didn't split the moon though and even then, those fts are not comparable at all to the best of punchers out there. You are literally comparing him to a being that has reversed time with a punch, punch through a time stream, punching...you get the point. BM is good but that moon showing doesn't compare to what Hulk has done. Not even close.
We have no idea how much force was used to break or overload
the time dilation device, or to pierce dimensional barriers though.
Those feats can not be quantified for good or ill. I know that the Hulk
has a level of super speed this is not the question, and it wasn't my
argument as you recall. What I'm saying is that there are some top
tiers than have yet to nearly split the moon with one punch. PIS
dictates that the writers aren't going to allow any one character to
split the moon, unless they have a means of fixing it up after.
Now if you want to go an extra mile, Black Bolt (Skrull) put out less
power than BM when he fought WW Hulk on the moon. Just something
to mull over.
Originally posted by carver9
You are literally comparing him to a being that has reversed time with a punch, punch through a time stream, punching...you get the point. BM is good but that moon showing doesn't compare to what Hulk has done. Not even close.
Well if u think about it. BMs feat is better because it's quantifiable and not riddled with context
@Carver, I have to agree with you on one thing. Blue Marvel does not have the feats to defeat WW Hulk, but I can see him beating Doc Green, and doing extremely well against Savage Hulk, perhaps taking him out before he ramps up enough strength to make the mightiest irrelevant in a punch out, but Grey Hulk, and merged Hulk who are not in this thread would lose IMO. Doc Green? The more I think about it, the more I really can not see him winning. You can post all of the Savage Hulk scans you want to, but that's not Doc Green. Indestructible Hulk isn't Doc Green either.
Originally posted by Stoic
@Carver, I have to agree with you on one thing. Blue Marvel does not have the feats to defeat WW Hulk, but I can see him beating Doc Green, and doing extremely well against Savage Hulk, perhaps taking him out before he ramps up enough strength to make the mightiest irrelevant in a punch out, but Grey Hulk, and merged Hulk who are not in this thread would lose IMO. Doc Green? The more I think about it, the more I really can not see him winning. You can post all of the Savage Hulk scans you want to, but that's not Doc Green. Indestructible Hulk isn't Doc Green either.
Doc Green was said to be Indestructible Hulk with intelligence. Indestructible Hulk fts PLUS Doc Green fts (same being) poops on anything Blue Marvel has done. Also, Hulk is Hulk.
Originally posted by carver9
Doc Green was said to be Indestructible Hulk with intelligence. Indestructible Hulk fts PLUS Doc Green fts (same being) poops on anything Blue Marvel has done. Also, Hulk is Hulk.
And Merged Hulk is just Savage Hulk with intelligence, and the killer instinct of Mr. Fixit. Hulk is not Hulk, and his strength durability, speed and other stats depend on his particular mind set. The Green Scar was the only Hulk to date capable of consciously controlling his strength-o-meter.
So same body different mind. Was Rulk amped to the 9th degree when he turned Doc Green around and broke his arm like he did to Savage Hulk? Sentry, King Hyperion, and Blue Marvel would beat the life out of Rulk, I mean Wonder man kicked his face in. My entire argument is that regardless of the nay sayers, Blue Marvel is one of MU's top tier characters. All of the low balling and BS is just haters not liking him for whatever reason. Most likely being a Black top tier pee's in a lot of bowls of cereal.
Originally posted by Stoic
And Merged Hulk is just Savage Hulk with intelligence, and the killer instinct of Mr. Fixit. Hulk is not Hulk, and his strength durability, speed and other stats depend on his particular mind set. The Green Scar was the only Hulk to date capable of consciously controlling his strength-o-meter.So same body different mind. Was Rulk amped to the 9th degree when he turned Doc Green around and broke his arm like he did to Savage Hulk? Sentry, King Hyperion, and Blue Marvel would beat the life out of Rulk, I mean Wonder man kicked his face in. My entire argument is that regardless of the nay sayers, Blue Marvel is one of MU's top tier characters. All of the low balling and BS is just haters not liking him for whatever reason. Most likely being a Black top tier pee's in a lot of bowls of cereal.
Doc Green ALLOWED Rulk to do that and beat up on him so that he could get a sample of how to revert him back to Ross. If Blue Marvel allowed Rulk to break his arm, yes, it is happening. He is strong enough to do it.
Also, the second fight, yes, Rulk was amped. Amped to the point that Doc (who pretty much knows every hero and villain on Earth) said that no force on Earth would be able to stop him if he doesn't do it right then. And yes, Doc knows about Blue Marvel.
When Rulk broke Savage Arm, he was using his absorption abilities during that time. He was powerful enough to stomp Odin Force Thor.
No one said BM wasn't top tier but he hasn't done anything to put him above Hulk or give him an advantage against Hulk. Hell, Shield didn't even think Blue Marvel could stop Hulk. They had to send another Hulk out to fight Doc Green and Blue Marvel was on the ship as one of the recruits.
Like I've said before Doc Green aka indestructible Hulk; his fts poops on Blue Marvel.
Originally posted by Sin I AM
Hulk almost cracked the eastern seaboard u dont see me pissin in your coffee
Who brought up the Eastern sea board? That happened with him just taking a footstep. If he would've started walking, as he stated, it would've cracked the planet in half. Doesn't matter since I did not bring that ft up.
Originally posted by carver9
Doc Green ALLOWED Rulk to do that and beat up on him so that he could get a sample of how to revert him back to Ross. If Blue Marvel allowed Rulk to break his arm, yes, it is happening. He is strong enough to do it.Also, the second fight, yes, Rulk was amped. Amped to the point that Doc (who pretty much knows every hero and villain on Earth) said that no force on Earth would be able to stop him if he doesn't do it right then. And yes, Doc knows about Blue Marvel.
When Rulk broke Savage Arm, he was using his absorption abilities during that time. He was powerful enough to stomp Odin Force Thor.
No one said BM wasn't top tier but he hasn't done anything to put him above Hulk or give him an advantage against Hulk. Hell, Shield didn't even think Blue Marvel could stop Hulk. They had to send another Hulk out to fight Doc Green and Blue Marvel was on the ship as one of the recruits.
Like I've said before Doc Green aka indestructible Hulk; his fts poops on Blue Marvel.
Btw, Rulk beat Doc Green...
Originally posted by carver9
Doc Green ALLOWED Rulk to do that and beat up on him so that he could get a sample of how to revert him back to Ross. If Blue Marvel allowed Rulk to break his arm, yes, it is happening. He is strong enough to do it.Also, the second fight, yes, Rulk was amped. Amped to the point that Doc (who pretty much knows every hero and villain on Earth) said that no force on Earth would be able to stop him if he doesn't do it right then. And yes, Doc knows about Blue Marvel.
When Rulk broke Savage Arm, he was using his absorption abilities during that time. He was powerful enough to stomp Odin Force Thor.
No one said BM wasn't top tier but he hasn't done anything to put him above Hulk or give him an advantage against Hulk. Hell, Shield didn't even think Blue Marvel could stop Hulk. They had to send another Hulk out to fight Doc Green and Blue Marvel was on the ship as one of the recruits.
Like I've said before Doc Green aka indestructible Hulk; his fts poops on Blue Marvel.
I'm talking about the first fight that they had, not when Rulk was amped
in the second fight. What you're saying makes little sense. If Doc Green
was dominant enough to beat Rulk in the first showing, he would have
knocked him out, and taken the sample forcibly. Rulk wouldn't have
broken BM's arm, not if he can't even defeat Wonder Man. Or are you
saying that Wonder Man is above BM as well? Why not go the extra
and say that Wonder man is above King Hyperion as well? You seem
ready to spin the tale to suit a skewed perspective, but unable to do
the same for BM when he beat King Hyperion up. The only difference
here is that Rulk beat Doc Green in the first fight, while King Hyperion
only stunned Blue Marvel only to get hit with more force than he could
take. Doc Green and the Indestructible Hulk are two different Hulk's.
Same body different mind set. The Hulk gets his power from his mind.
But if you want to play that game, I guess we should say that Merged
Hulk and Indestructible Hulk are also the same. Or that Indestructible
Hulk is the Green Scar.
Doc Green struggled against Rulk, while BM beat King Hyperion. We
saw Doc Green pushed to the limit by Rulk. There is no way that Rulk
is beating BM. Not even close.