Dooku, Maul, Talzin vs Sidious and Grievous

Originally posted by quanchi112
No, it hasn't been no matter what fan wants to pretend that is how the scene was originally written. Script >>>your silly theories.

When in continuity have they deflected these blasts ? I deal in canon not fanfics.
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When other authors have used the exact same feat as tutaminis and actively ascribed it as "the same thing Vader did in Empire", then yes, its canon (or at least valid in Legends continuity).

Jacen Solo did it in Betrayal. The conversation he has with Thrackan Sal-Solo right after he does it explicitly says its the same Force power Vader used. Kenobi did it in the 2003 Clone Wars series. Luke does it in Hand of Thrawn IIRC. Point is, there is plenty of evidence that says you're wrong. If you really can't handle that fact, take your butthurt elsewhere.

Originally posted by DarthBeanzz
When other authors have used the exact same feat as tutaminis and actively ascribed it as "the same thing Vader did in Empire", then yes, its canon (or at least valid in Legends continuity).

Jacen Solo did it in Betrayal. The conversation he has with Thrackan Sal-Solo right after he does it explicitly says its the same Force power Vader used. Kenobi did it in the 2003 Clone Wars series. Luke does it in Hand of Thrawn IIRC. Point is, there is plenty of evidence that says you're wrong. If you really can't handle that fact, take your butthurt elsewhere.

Get back to me when you have one canon example. Canon is all that matters otherwise it's fanfic.

Originally posted by quanchi112
I said continuity but legends isn't canon so it's meaningless.

Get back to me when you have one canon example. Canon is all that matters otherwise it's fanfic.

If you're really one of the fools who have decided to completely disregard the 30+ years of material predating Disney's conquest of the galaxy, then I pity you and cannot consider you a true Star Wars fan.

Regardless, Vader is still all the proof you need. The fact that Yoda and Dooku have also deflected lightning in Disney canon proves that Force-based energy deflection is entirely possible. The Son has deflected a lightsaber blade. Like it or not, tutaminis as an umbrella-term for energy deflection has effectively been adapted into Disney canon largely unchanged from what it was in Legends.

Originally posted by DarthBeanzz
If you're really one of the fools who have decided to completely disregard the 30+ years of material predating Disney's conquest of the galaxy, then I pity you and cannot consider you a true Star Wars fan.

Regardless, Vader is still all the proof you need. The fact that Yoda and Dooku have also deflected lightning in Disney canon proves that Force-based energy deflection is entirely possible. The Son has deflected a lightsaber blade. Like it or not, tutaminis as an umbrella-term for energy deflection has effectively been adapted into Disney canon largely unchanged from what it was in Legends.

I couldn't care less. Cling to the outdated and noncanon past. 🙂

Originally posted by quanchi112
Fl is weaker than blaster fire hence my point.

And where's your proof for this claim? Where is a source that tells the energy output of a blaster bolt vis a vis Force lightning? Sounds like a silly fan theory to me. I assume by "weaker" you really mean doesn't kill outright? If your "proof" is that a blaster bolt to the head kills you outright but lightning doesn't, then that's pretty weak. Force lightning isn't meant to kill the same way as a blaster, just like poison isn't meant to kill the same way as a bullet. But does that make the poison any less deadly?

Even if lightning is "weaker" than blaster fire, it's a moot point. The evidence clearly shows that either one can be blocked without a lightsaber.

Dooku's FL exploded on the Cave roof in AOTC.

I doubt, that Sidious will be able to quickly dispatch either Maul or Dooku. If he will try that, he will lower his guard, which should be enough for Talzin to catch him or hit him with her lightning.
On the other hand, Talzin will probably attack him first, so he will be forced to engage her. Since it's not a Dathomir, he should be able to gain the uper hand at the very begin of the fight. But with Maul's aid, she should be able to hold her own for a while. That will be quite enough for Dooku to stomp Grievous and join the fight against Sidious.
Or in other scenario, Dooku and Talzin might even gain the upper hand against Sidious, while Maul will beat Grievous.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Prove it can deflect blasters. She is not on Anakin's level though she's good enough in the right situation to have him at a huge disadvantage.

So after Darth ant mocked you dropped the point. Lightning isn't more powerful than blasters in continuity. That's ridiculous.

Empire strikes back Vader agaisnt Han Solo. There are also images of Vader fighting agaisnt a blaster wielding assailant and he uses tutamintis to redirect the blaster fire. In the battle I am talking about, she wasn't at a disadvantage, no one was. It was a fair battle where Ventress held her own and in a way defeated Anakin.

Lightning is more powerful. To be more specific a blast from a clone trooper isn't as powerful as a blast of force lightning from Dooku.

Originally posted by DarthBeanzz
And where's your proof for this claim? Where is a source that tells the energy output of a blaster bolt vis a vis Force lightning? Sounds like a silly fan theory to me. I assume by "weaker" you really mean doesn't kill outright? If your "proof" is that a blaster bolt to the head kills you outright but lightning doesn't, then that's pretty weak. Force lightning isn't meant to kill the same way as a blaster, just like poison isn't meant to kill the same way as a bullet. But does that make the poison any less deadly?

Even if lightning is "weaker" than blaster fire, it's a moot point. The evidence clearly shows that either one can be blocked without a lightsaber.

A bullet is more powerful than poison but both clearly kill. Blasters are more powerful than fl which is rather pathetic tbh.

Quan, I'm going to tell you this. No one actually cares you only deal with canon. If that's the case then you need to stay in the movie versus forum where I see you still have trouble following the rules as well. Here debating legends is within the rules, and you basically ignoring that shows your disrespect for not only this forum, but Star Wars itself. So if you can't accept the rules here then you need to go back to the Movie versus forum.

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
Empire strikes back Vader agaisnt Han Solo. There are also images of Vader fighting agaisnt a blaster wielding assailant and he uses tutamintis to redirect the blaster fire. In the battle I am talking about, she wasn't at a disadvantage, no one was. It was a fair battle where Ventress held her own and in a way defeated Anakin.

Lightning is more powerful. To be more specific a blast from a clone trooper isn't as powerful as a blast of force lightning from Dooku.

Yes, it since since it rips through flesh and fl doesn't. Proof is Luke surviving over ten seconds from the most powerful Sith Lord ever.

Originally posted by quanchi112
The script says otherwise. The ability wasn't created then so you're wrong.

Yes, it since since it rips through flesh and fl doesn't. Proof is Luke surviving over ten seconds from the most powerful Sith Lord ever.

Well I beleive you said the script says he deflected it. Tutamintis is the ability to deflect energy back to its source, or absorb it. We see this is capable with lightning and even lightsabers. That alone shows blaster bolts are defintily within the realm of possibility. This is proven by canon, legends, and common sense.

FL is capable of disintegrating entire beings, turning them to ash. Again I've already explained that to be plot armor, and he was subjected to it before Sidious actually went for the kill. We also see weaker force weilders under less time take down opponents with equal or even greater durability than Luke.

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
Well I beleive you said the script says he deflected it. Tutamintis is the ability to deflect energy back to its source, or absorb it. We see this is capable with lightning and even lightsabers. That alone shows blaster bolts are defintily within the realm of possibility. This is proven by canon, legends, and common sense.

FL is capable of disintegrating entire beings, turning them to ash. Again I've already explained that to be plot armor, and he was subjected to it before Sidious actually went for the kill. We also see weaker force weilders under less time take down opponents with equal or even greater durability than Luke.

Not in continuity it couldn't even kill Luke with well over ten seconds of direct exposure. Pathetic is you ask me.

Originally posted by quanchi112
He did defend it but the ability didn't exist at that point. That's common sense.

Not in continuity it couldn't even kill Luke with well over ten seconds of direct exposure. Pathetic is you ask me.

Actually it's not when we see Vader use the ability.

Doesn't change the fact force lightning has done that.

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
Actually it's not when we see Vader use the ability.

Doesn't change the fact force lightning has done that.

Not in continuity so it doesn't count. 😂

Originally posted by quanchi112
The ability wasn't created then so it wasn't anything more than just deflecting. The script says so.

Not in continuity so it doesn't count. 😂

It probably wasn't given the name tutamintis until AOTC, but Vader had the ability to deflect or absorb blaster bolts as seen in the movie.

It Actaully does here. 😂

Originally posted by quanchi112
Fl is weaker than blaster fire hence my point.

Revan.

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
It probably wasn't given the name tutamintis until AOTC, but Vader had the ability to deflect or absorb blaster bolts as seen in the movie.

It Actaully does here. 😂

Nah, I go by canon. You don't have to but I do. Disney also does. Don't hate on Star Wars continuity.

Originally posted by TheNuisanceBird
Revan.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Is that canon ?

He almost made an appearance in TCW during that Yoda arc. Unlike Darth Bane who had a completely different appearance, Revan looked the same. So he has at least been considered. Still, Darth Thor made a good point.