Originally posted by quanchi112
It you have a Vader robotic hand but if you don't you aren't deflecting it with tutaminis.
Then why didn't the blaster shot on Jabba's sail barge just bounce off Luke's hand in ROTJ? Vader deflected it. With the Force. It doesn't matter what you call that ability. It exists.
Originally posted by EmperorSidious2Nah, as Yoda shows us he can just absorb it as well. The ability looks clearly different than Vader. It wasn't referenced either.
Deflecting is the ability. Look up and do your research on tutamintis. That was with lightning. Tutamintis works with lightsabers lightning and blasters.We all go by canon. We all also go by legends which here does count. If you can't accept that we have a problem. 😂
I only go by canon. The rest doesn't count to Disney and I don't acknowledge things that don't count.
Originally posted by quanchi112
The script says otherwise.
The script says Vader deflected blaster bolts. The script says Luke didn't. The way blaster bolts work in the movies, they should have burned through either one of their hands. But it didn't burn through Vader's. The only possible explanation is Vader used the Force and Luke didn't.
Originally posted by DarthBeanzzDue to how he reacted. The script never states he used the force because he didn't.
The script says Vader deflected blaster bolts. The script says Luke didn't. The way blaster bolts work in the movies, they should have burned through either one of their hands. But it didn't burn through Vader's. The only possible explanation is Vader used the Force and Luke didn't.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Due to how he reacted. The script never states he used the force because he didn't.
The script doesn't need to say it. It's plainly obvious to anyone with a functioning braincell who watches those two scenes and thinks about why it worked for Vader and not for Luke. I'd be willing to bet the script also doesn't say that Vader was inhaling and then exhaling and then inhaling and then exhaling, etc. ad infinitum. But he clearly does. So are all those breaths noncanon because the script doesn't explicitly say they're there?
Originally posted by quanchi112
Nah, as Yoda shows us he can just absorb it as well. The ability looks clearly different than Vader. It wasn't referenced either.I only go by canon. The rest doesn't count to Disney and I don't acknowledge things that don't count.
It was used agaisnt lightning. So obviously it's going to appear different, but it's the same power.
Well that's fine for you. Then don't debate here since the majority of people here are debating both canon and legends.
Originally posted by DarthBeanzzNo, clearly his hand movement made this possible. Did Luke use the same hand movement ?
The script doesn't need to say it. It's plainly obvious to anyone with a functioning braincell who watches those two scenes and thinks about why it worked for Vader and not for Luke. I'd be willing to bet the script also doesn't say that Vader was inhaling and then exhaling and then inhaling and then exhaling, etc. ad infinitum. But he clearly does. So are all those breaths noncanon because the script doesn't explicitly say they're there?
You're only example out of 6 films, a clone wars series with six seasons, and 1 and a half seasons of rebels is that Vader possibly used this abilit which wasn't created yet back in esb...... 😂
These are the depths that fans such as yourself will go to.
Sorry, it does not pass go.
Originally posted by EmperorSidious2That is the actual ability so of course it is compared to deflection.
It was used agaisnt lightning. So obviously it's going to appear different, but it's the same power.Well that's fine for you. Then don't debate here since the majority of people here are debating both canon and legends.
I debate canon only.
Originally posted by quanchi112
No, clearly his hand movement made this possible. Did Luke use the same hand movement ?You're only example out of 6 films, a clone wars series with six seasons, and 1 and a half seasons of rebels is that Vader possibly used this abilit which wasn't created yet back in esb...... 😂
These are the depths that fans such as yourself will go to.
Sorry, it does not pass go.
Yes, holding your hand still, palm extended, in front of a beam of superheated plasma automatically means the plasma will bounce off. Do you have any idea how idiotic you're sounding right now?
You clearly have never taken a logic class. One example is all that's needed to prove a statement like yours wrong. It's called a counterexample. The existence of a single counterexample renders your statement 100% false.
Originally posted by quanchi112
1) nothing in continuity alludes to anyone being reduced to ash. To the contrary Palpatine burned Luke set to kill for well over ten seconds and he walked away like a headache went away without any visible scarring or debilitating effects.2) nothing in continuity.
Those aren't facts. Disney 86'd all that ridiculous wank. It is no longer recognized so get with the times. But then, it is you I'm talking to, so I'm not expecting actual [B]canon
to matter to you. [/B]
Last time I checked, this was a subforum of the expanded universe, which means, that all Legend feats apply. Your ignorance doesn't change that.
But even playing by your personal rules aka Quanchi logic:
1)
In AotC, Dooku's lightning is shown damaging the permacrete ceiling of the hangar he fights Yoda in, much like Han Solo's blasters affects the walls on the spaceport in ANH. Thus Dooku's force lightning (which is weaker than that of Sidious) appears to be similar in power to a blaster shot.
2)
Darth Vader easily deflects a blaster shot of Han Solo in ESB - he can't deflect Sidious Force Lightning in RotJ. Thus, Sidious force lightning is more powerful than Han Solo's blaster.
3)
And we may also have a look at Talzin:
Talzin's lightning, that Sidious is capable of matching (or even overpowering) is shown to blast droids into tiny bits.
The same lightning easily melts stone when she uses it here (0:30). Before that, she also puts holes right through droids with the same ability.
So, using just canon sources, we have established that Force Lightning is more powerful than a blaster bolt and, given that something powerful enough to melt stone and metal would be quite damaging to a human body, can also be counted as quite lethal.
Thanks for playing.
Originally posted by quanchi112
That is the actual ability so of course it is compared to deflection.I debate canon only.
So you concede to that then.
Well then you will have to either adjust to these rules and settings, go back to the movie versus forum and stay there, or not debate just say your answer and move on and not question anyone else on their answer since they will be using legends in this thread.
Originally posted by NaiUpdated rules. Things have changed.
Last time I checked, this was a subforum of the [b]expanded universe, which means, that all Legend feats apply. Your ignorance doesn't change that.But even playing by your personal rules aka Quanchi logic:
1)
In AotC, Dooku's lightning is shown damaging the permacrete ceiling of the hangar he fights Yoda in, much like Han Solo's blasters affects the walls on the spaceport in ANH. Thus Dooku's force lightning (which is weaker than that of Sidious) appears to be similar in power to a blaster shot.2)
Darth Vader easily deflects a blaster shot of Han Solo in ESB - he can't deflect Sidious Force Lightning in RotJ. Thus, Sidious force lightning is more powerful than Han Solo's blaster.3)
And we may also have a look at Talzin:Talzin's lightning, that Sidious is capable of matching (or even overpowering) is shown to blast droids into tiny bits.
The same lightning easily melts stone when she uses it here (0:30). Before that, she also puts holes right through droids with the same ability.
So, using just canon sources, we have established that Force Lightning is more powerful than a blaster bolt and, given that something powerful enough to melt stone and metal would be quite damaging to a human body, can also be counted as quite lethal.
Thanks for playing. [/B]
1) Nah, as we see it hit Anakin and he remained in tact. He survived no scarring either. He smoked a little but blast him and he might die. No amount of wishful thinking is going to discount all the evidence of the fl hitting flesh and doing nothing more than at worst scarring or launching backward due to force.
2) He had one hand and the other was picking up Palpatine. You really don't think before you post. When did he try to use the hand to deflect the blast ? Oh right he picked up the geriatric and hurled him to his death.
3) Talzin doesn't employ fl so again apples to oranges. Sheev also needed Dooku's aid and later had a three on one advantage against Talzin.
Her Lightning isn't fl so irrelevant. We already have plenty of examples of characters surviving fl. Anakin, Maul, Luke.
So no amount of apples and oranges makes this go away. Blasters kill. Fl also varies based off the Sith users abilities and the most powerful Sith Lord ever failed to kill Luke with over ten seconds. No matter how hard you try you can't run from the evidence but if you want to talk about Talzin's lightning that's a different matter altogether.
Originally posted by EmperorSidious2I just said no and why so you saying you concede proves you aren't aware of what the words I use mean.
So you concede to that then.Well then you will have to either adjust to these rules and settings, go back to the movie versus forum and stay there, or not debate just say your answer and move on and not question anyone else on their answer since they will be using legends in this thread.
All other material- including nearly all of the old Expanded Universe material- is now NOT part of the new canon, instead being given its own label of 'Legends', which becomes an alternate continuity of its own.
Nah.
Originally posted by quanchi112
I just said no and why so you saying you concede proves you aren't aware of what the words I use mean.All other material- including nearly all of the old Expanded Universe material- is now NOT part of the new canon, instead being given its own label of 'Legends', which becomes an alternate continuity of its own.
Nah.
What you say is stupid and goes without proof.
This matter to me why exactly. Look at the rules here. They say legends is usable. End of story. I'm fine with you using canon, but when someone uses EU just leave. It's not that hard.
Originally posted by EmperorSidious2You said you are stupid. Lol. Nah.
What you say I stupid and without proof.This matter to me why exactly. Look at the rules here. They say legends is usable. End of story. I'm fine with you using canon, but when someone uses EU just leave. It's not that hard.
I copy and pasted that from the rules.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Updated rules. Things have changed.
All other material- including nearly all of the old Expanded Universe material- is now NOT part of the new canon, instead being given its own label of 'Legends', which becomes an alternate continuity of its own.
Yes. It's all still part of the debates within this subforum, that deals with Star Wars in it's entirety, including the things that are not part of the new canon. Got that now? Fine.
1) Nah, as we see it hit Anakin and he remained in tact. He survived no scarring either. He smoked a little but blast him and he might die. No amount of wishful thinking is going to discount all the evidence of the fl hitting flesh and doing nothing more than at worst scarring or launching backward due to force.
We have also seen how Vader was hit with a blaster and just deflected it. We've also seen Princess Leia being hit by a blaster (RotJ) receiving a minor flash wound. We've also seen Luke Skywalker being hit by a blaster (RotJ), resulting in a burning of the artificial skin of his hand. Thus, blaster fire isn't as lethal as you think it is. Fact.
2) He had one hand and the other was picking up Palpatine. You really don't think before you post. When did he try to use the hand to deflect the blast ? Oh right he picked up the geriatric and hurled him to his death.
When was the Force ever limited to a certain body part of its user? It's an omnipresent energy field, you know?
3) Talzin doesn't employ fl so again apples to oranges. Sheev also needed Dooku's aid and later had a three on one advantage against Talzin.
She is employing a power that is matched by Sidious force lightning. Thus it stands to reason, that the abilities are similar in terms of power. And Sidious was still stalemating her (at the very least) on her own.
Her Lightning isn't fl so irrelevant. We already have plenty of examples of characters surviving fl. Anakin, Maul, Luke.
Yes. We also have plenty of examples for characters surviving blaster fire. While at two of the three examples you've mentioned, the lightning wasn't even meant to kill by the person using it (Luke, Maul) but just to torture.
So no amount of apples and oranges makes this go away. Blasters kill. Fl also varies based off the Sith users abilities and the most powerful Sith Lord ever failed to kill Luke with over ten seconds. No matter how hard you try you can't run from the evidence but if you want to talk about Talzin's lightning that's a different matter altogether.
Blasters still don't kill. Sidious still didn't even try to kill Luke. And Talzin still used her lightning against Sidious force lightning and failed to overpower him, indicating, that his lightning is as powerful as hers.